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bug in the browser - update your whole OS... just Apple things...
I want to be optimistic and say it’s because of the sealed system volume and it’s superior for security. But it is crazy that in 2023 the most advanced desktop operating system on Earth takes a full ten minute, completely inoperable reboot for such a small issue. Ten minutes if you’re lucky.
Didn't you read the text? They did update Safari to version 16.3.1 to fix this separately from the OS update. It's not surprising though that updates to WebKit are tied to OS updates. WebKit is used all over macOS, not just in Safari.


Still on Big Sur, primarily because Dropbox is important to me (customers use it) and it only works properly on Big Sur!!!
I use Dropbox on Ventura and it works fine. It asked me to update to the new version that uses the new API, but the old, conventional Dropbox structure works just as it always has. I can't say how the "new" Dropbox behaves though.
 
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Didn't you read the text? They did update Safari to version 16.3.1 to fix this separately from the OS update. It's not surprising though that updates to WebKit are tied to OS updates. WebKit is used all over macOS, not just in Safari.



I use Dropbox on Ventura and it works fine. It asked me to update to the new version that uses the new API, but the old, conventional Dropbox structure works just as it always has. I can't say how the "new" Dropbox behaves though.

Yes I know, on the older OSes they did but on Ventura it was still a full system update.

Nothing wrong with it, just coming from Windows it's strange how every system update has to go into a state where the computer is completely unusable for so long.

Of course on Windows it doesn't get unusable until *after* the updates half the time, so each method has its issues.
 
Didn't you read the text? They did update Safari to version 16.3.1 to fix this separately from the OS update. It's not surprising though that updates to WebKit are tied to OS updates. WebKit is used all over macOS, not just in Safari.
Apple is consciously tying native apps to the OS. There is no way the broken favourite icons on Safari were affecting anything else but the browser but you gotta fabricate problems if you are a company that makes money by selling hardware. You want the newest version of Safari (or any other native app)? Install the latest macOS. You want the latest macOS? Upgrade your old Mac. It's all business.
 
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Noob question here: if I have a 2019 Intel Macbook Pro 13" that's running Mojave, is there a way to avoid Ventura and upgrade to Big Sur or Monterey? Or has that ship sailed and it's either Ventura or stay on Mojave?
 
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Noob question here: if I have a 2019 Intel Macbook Pro 13" that's running Mojave, is there a way to avoid Ventura and upgrade to Big Sur or Monterey? Or has that ship sailed and it's either Ventura or stay on Mojave?
Just download the Monterey or Big Sur installer from here.
 
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The ‌‌macOS Big Sur 11.7.4 update can be downloaded for free on all eligible Macs using the Software Update section of System Settings.

What? You mean I don't have to pay for a point release bug fix... ring the fkkn church bells and pop the champagne.
 
Speaking of Safari, has anyone else experienced an issue with Safari tabs ghosting / becoming non-responsive when dragging tabs from one Safari window to the next? As a web developer it's beyond annoying.

It's disappointing how often I see bugs in Apple software these days. Years ago a bug would be rare, now it's borderline commonplace. Apple doesn't seem to be held to their high standards.
 
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Speaking of Safari, has anyone else experienced an issue with Safari tabs ghosting / becoming non-responsive when dragging tabs from one Safari window to the next? As a web developer it's beyond annoying.

It's disappointing how often I see bugs in Apple software these days. Years ago a bug would be rare, now it's borderline commonplace. Apple doesn't seem to be held to their high standards.
Yes. Drag a tab out of one window, to the desktop say, creates a new window with the content of the tab, but does not remove the tab from the previous window. Close the tab in the previous window and it kills the content in the new window. I've also had a tab on the desktop all by its lonesome (just the tab itself without the window content) which could not be clicked on, and was in a zombie state (it didn't exist in the window list in the window menu). Only way to remove it was to restart the machine. Monterey, Safari 16.1 (and previous version had similar issues as well). Pretty awful state of affairs.
 
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Hopefully I will be able to update tomorrow...Software Update just keeps checking for updates.
 
Apple is consciously tying native apps to the OS. There is no way the broken favourite icons on Safari were affecting anything else but the browser but you gotta fabricate problems if you are a company that makes money by selling hardware. You want the newest version of Safari (or any other native app)? Install the latest macOS. You want the latest macOS? Upgrade your old Mac. It's all business.

This is hilarious considering the entire story and thread is all about updates to a two-versions-old OS. Said update is currently running on a 9-year-old iMac as I type this. Not the latest OS, not the latest Mac. Just updates for older hardware and an older system. No one made me install the latest Mac OS, or upgrade my old Mac.

It's all simple.
 
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Snow Leopard... when we were excited for an OS update that didn't have any new features, but an OS that was more reliable faster, and used less RAM.
It wasn’t more reliable to begin with. There was even a bug in early versions of Snow Leopard that deleted all of the users files if you switched to a guest account. Later versions are rock solid, but bugs appearing in early releases of macOS are a tradition going back to 10.0 Cheetah and before.

I think a large part of the perception of Snow Leopard was based on how slow Leopard was. I have an old G4 that I play with, installing different OS’s and old games, and every version of OS X up until Tiger performed better than its predecessor on the same hardware in most aspects. Leopard was a huge step backwards in that regard. Snow Leopard mostly brought back the responsiveness that Tiger had. If only it had supported PowerPCs!
 
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Does anyone has updated? Any difference other than fixes on safari favicon?
I've updated. I mainly noticed the Safari favicons fix but TBH it was last night and I haven't done much work yet on my iMac.

One thing, I noticed last week (pre-update) that my mouse cursor (Logitech Lift wireless) was occasionally laggy, and it's smooth now. I don't know if that's related or not, I don't know if it will get laggy again.
 
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It wasn’t more reliable to begin with. There was even a bug in early versions of Snow Leopard that deleted all of the users files if you switched to a guest account. Later versions are rock solid, but bugs appearing in early releases of macOS are a tradition going back to 10.0 Cheetah and before.

I think a large part of the perception of Snow Leopard was based on how slow Leopard was. I have an old G4 that I play with, installing different OS’s and old games, and every version of OS X up until Tiger performed better than its predecessor on the same hardware in most aspects. Leopard was a huge step backwards in that regard. Snow Leopard mostly brought back the responsiveness that Tiger had. If only it had supported PowerPCs!
Really interesting point. Thank you!
 
This is hilarious considering the entire story and thread is all about updates to a two-versions-old OS. Said update is currently running on a 9-year-old iMac as I type this. Not the latest OS, not the latest Mac. Just updates for older hardware and an older system. No one made me install the latest Mac OS, or upgrade my old Mac.

It's all simple.
Yes, but your software vendor might. My in-laws replaced their mini because TurboTax would not work with anything less than Big Sur. I’m running it on my 2015 mini and printing a 30 page tax return to pdf killed my CPU (99% utilization) for a good 3-5 minutes. This is Turbo Tax, not rendering a video.
 
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