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What in the world needs to be "supported" for AirPods Pro? Is there some added functionality to control them?
Icons and 3D models for them mostly. Probably some handling for the new tap gestures.
 
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Icons and 3D models for them mostly. Probably some handling for the new tap gestures.

Just using them as Bluetooth speakers probably works on older OSes (just like it does on Android and other OSes). Using some of the special features requires OS-level changes, though.

For AirPods / the W1 (and H1) in general, the pairing mechanism and UI. For AirPods Pro in particular, the noise cancellation / "Transparency" UI, and the Audio Sharing.
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emoji are loved by hundreds of millions of Apple customers of all ages. Highlighting it means they get an incentive to install the update and stay secure.

And and hundreds of millions want absolutely nothing to do with them, couldn't care less, and want bugs fixed and reported upon along with a solid release they can be confident installing.

How can your emoji millions stay secure if the "upgrade" borks their hardware?!?
 
Not sure if I am brave enough to try this yet.

I upgraded yesterday from 10.14.x and it was seamless.

Only caveat that I have noticed so far is that my old iPhone backups seem to have disappeared. Could be important to someone out there but wasn't a problem for me as I was about to delete them anyway :)
 
Updated my 2019 MacBook Air with no problems. Took 30 minutes to install after I downloaded the 8.13 GB installer from software update. All my photos, music, and books are present. The process could not have been smoother. Will update my iMac Pro next.
 
And and hundreds of millions want absolutely nothing to do with them, couldn't care less, and want bugs fixed and reported upon along with a solid release they can be confident installing.

How can your emoji millions stay secure if the "upgrade" borks their hardware?!?

It’s not an either-or proposition.
 
It’s not an either-or proposition.
Of course it isn't! Put all the emoji in there you want. Advertise it all you want. But fix the issues and stop creating new ones that impact the other millions. Oh, and when you fix them, tell us about it. I get it... Apple wouldn't want a headline that says "Apple fixes bug that deletes all of your email" -- who would want to publish that? But frankly, that isn't a user's problem and the security (your word) of their data is paramount.

Look at all the power users in this thread alone as an anecdotal demonstration of the distrust millions of users now have about installing this update. Those doing their homework are staying far, far away.
 
It's the consortium who decides isn't it
Yes, you're right there. My bad. The tech industry should still have refused to use that stuff (skin-toned emojies).

Oh, the irony. The liberal left loves to preach to the rest of us plebs about how "tolerent" they are, all the while making "everything" about race identity, because that's really gonna unite us all, isn't it? Oh, wait...
 
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My 2015 MBP is still showing 10.15 as up to date... What am I missing? Is 10.15.1 not available for the old 2015 models?

Never mind... Some how I was stuck on beta even after removing the profile. Got it fixed now.
 
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1. “Safe” is running the previous version of the OS on the latest release. The only annoyance with Apple is new machines can’t downgrade and they’re weird about certain features.

Why do new AirPods require a new version of the OS? When I upgraded my Apple Watch to a Series 3 the unlock with watch feature didn’t work until I upgraded to 10.13. Kind of a drag and kind of odd. I wish they’d maintains the previous version better until the next point release. So keep 10.14 getting certain updates/fixes until 10.16 is released, then 10.15 becomes “safe.”

Either that or flag every third version as LTS.

2. Forget the idea that a huge pile of cash can produce “perfect” software. Google can’t. Apple can’t. Microsoft can’t. Governments can’t. Militaries can’t. Banks can’t. Universities can’t. It’s not even a matter of will. Maintaining software is an absolute hell made worse by the fact that virtually everything depends on millions of lines of code that are imported.

The hardest thing about software development is trying to figure out all the possible ways users will use and abuse what you’ve created and even the best QA department in the universe will only be able to cover a fraction.

This is a problem that’s likely to get worse long before it gets better.

You known I guess you are right about the safe release being the latest of the last MacOS version.

I don't know about software stability, OS X used to be pretty stable and many software is tried and tested. Some software vendors are known to have broken software like Microsoft Windows.
 
I'm not sure if this applies to you, but after updating my Series 3 to WatchOS6.1 it failed to unlock my iMac. Solution was to unpair and re-pair my apple watch. Now it is working again. Took me 25 minutes, but a series 4 should do it much faster. (I'm running Mojave by the way!)

THAT WORKED! THANK YOU
 
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I have to say, I was a diehard Mojave-never-upgrading person, but I have installed Catalina 10.15.1 and it is a COMPLETELY different beast to last time I installed it. There's no kernel panics for one, also my computer doesn't slow to a crawl any more and Music seems to be ok now. I'm still not 100% happy with the interface of it, but it'll do for now. Things can only get better with more updates!
 
This update for whatever reason, duplicated all my music just had to find a good little program to remove all of them,
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You known I guess you are right about the safe release being the latest of the last MacOS version.

I don't know about software stability, OS X used to be pretty stable and many software is tried and tested. Some software vendors are known to have broken software like Microsoft Windows.

Kinda. I did suggest some kind of LTS version. But there have been some weird releases too.

El Capitan, for instance, at like day 1 seemed more polished than Yosemite at any point. Same deal with Mountain Lion, it was pretty much smoother from day 1 than Lion was at any point. Lion was kinda rough in general because Snow Leopard still feels like the best release they've ever put out—but they literally said, "Uhh, we're gonna work on stability and performance." So no surprise there.

10.13 - 10.14 has been really nice for me. High Sierra was another day 1 stable and while Mojave was supposedly a feature release, at the end of the day they added "Dark Mode" like it was a huge deal. I mean, I like and I'm running it now, but is allowing more window Chrome really something that took a year of engineering?

The two biggest issues with their releases remain:

1. Without a distinct tick-tock cycle, it's hard to figure out what the stable release is. (Apple marketing is like, "What? macOS is the most stable OS ever! All the time! every release!")
2. New hardware released after a new version of the OS generally can't be downgraded so, if you need new hardware after the release of a new OS, you're kinda hosed.
 
Using a 2019 MBP, basic config and I have a question: I installed 10.15.1 and was wondering, is it normal for the MBP to get warm, even without doing any heavy tasks, only like browsing 2-3-4 Chrome tabs, or listening to Music, or working on Word-Excel? It gets quiet warm using it on my lap, but not hot, just warm on the touch.

I saw another post above saying that the MBP would increase up to 10 more degrees, for whatever reason - could this be a real bug or is it just normal behaviour?
 
Using a 2019 MBP, basic config and I have a question: I installed 10.15.1 and was wondering, is it normal for the MBP to get warm, even without doing any heavy tasks, only like browsing 2-3-4 Chrome tabs, or listening to Music, or working on Word-Excel? It gets quiet warm using it on my lap, but not hot, just warm on the touch.

I saw another post above saying that the MBP would increase up to 10 more degrees, for whatever reason - could this be a real bug or is it just normal behaviour?
This is normal. Don’t worry about it.
Bear in mind also that the computer can do plenty of stuff in the background, like cataloguing photos, especially in the aftermath of a software upgrade. Fire up Activity Monitor to see what it’s up to.
If you were to do some serious number crunching, the laptop can get pretty hot if it’s resting on your thighs.
 
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Hopefully it fixes some of the stability & performance issues I've been seeing.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have fixed my issues. I'm still experiencing the same problems.
 
Updated my base model iMac Pro with no problems. All music, books, photos showing up. Smooth install from software update. No problems whatsoever. Guess I was smart to wait until the .1 update came along before updating to Catalina.
 
Attempting to update to 10.15.1 from 10.15. Install has been sitting at “Less than one minute remaining” for 12 hours. From what I’m reading, this could be the worst point to be stuck on...? Will let it sit overnight but I’m not feeling confident.
 
Of course it isn't! Put all the emoji in there you want. Advertise it all you want. But fix the issues and stop creating new ones that impact the other millions. Oh, and when you fix them, tell us about it. I get it... Apple wouldn't want a headline that says "Apple fixes bug that deletes all of your email" -- who would want to publish that? But frankly, that isn't a user's problem and the security (your word) of their data is paramount.

Look at all the power users in this thread alone as an anecdotal demonstration of the distrust millions of users now have about installing this update. Those doing their homework are staying far, far away.

Yes, that’s fair.

(What I think isn’t fair, or just isn’t very useful, is people bringing up the same flawed points every time Apple dares to add emoji.)

It’s tricky to find the right balance with release notes. You don’t want to relay every single commit message. You also don’t want a Facebook-like “we always update the app so we can make it better for you zzzzzZZZ” meaningless message. I would agree Apple isn’t striking a good balance, though. I’d love to see more details on which issues have been resolved.

I’m guessing part of it is a misguided attempt to make quality look better than it is. I’m sure if Apple were to make more detailed release notes, there would be a pundit or two arguing it’s a sign quality has gotten worse. Let’s not feed those trolls.
 
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Attempting to update to 10.15.1 from 10.15. Install has been sitting at “Less than one minute remaining” for 12 hours. From what I’m reading, this could be the worst point to be stuck on...? Will let it sit overnight but I’m not feeling confident.

24+ hours as of this morning and still stuck at black screen with “less than one minute remaining” + status bar.

Any suggestions?
 
24+ hours as of this morning and still stuck at black screen with “less than one minute remaining” + status bar.

Any suggestions?
UPDATE: After waiting for 36 hours, I rebooted my iMac by holding down the power button. It restarted right into 10.15.1 like nothing had ever frozen. Ran Disk Utility as a check and everything seems fine now.
 
Deleted Catalina off my external hard drive causing too many problems on my main HD. Recloned Mojave......not worth the static at this point.
 
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