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Look at it as paying back the loan on the education that allows you to earn enough to afford a new iMac ;)
Haha well put. :D I see all kinds of complaining every time a new iToy is released, but didn't think people'd be complaining about taxes here.
 
Can someone explain in layman's terms the different between the i3 and i5?

Is the i3 only dual core, where the i5 is quad? Other than pure speed, is there a difference in architecture that makes the i5 more efficient or better like 'faster with less Ghz' better?

I'm cheap, but want an iMac. I'm coming from a CoreDuo 2.0Ghz, so anything is going to be way faster, but I'm curious if the i5 is REALLY worth the price difference over the i3.

Thanks.

It was pointed out to me earlier that the i3 and i5 processors in the low-end iMacs are both dual core. The main difference is the i3s do not support Turbo boost. This is not as big an issue as you might think because low-end Core i5 processors can only overclock themselves by a maximum of 266Mhz with their Turbo functionality. Whether the slightly faster processor speed of the low-end i5 justifies the extra cost over the i3 is down to your budget. Personally, I can't justify the additional £150 (UK price) for the marginal boost in speed.
 
Where is the fun in that?

We'll have to find out what Mobility offerings Apple is using this time around.

It looks like Apple held off for the higher clocked Core i3 processors that were part of the second wave. The Core i5 680 is fast but you want more cores in this day and age.

you meant to say higher clocked Core i5?

Eidorian, how much is the 21.5" IPS Display?

I know 27" IPS is expensive, only other competition is Dell 27" which is selling $1k...
 
You can say 'pissed off', I think...

I'm really P.O.'ed about the taxes.

Dear Sir,

I made a brief calculation about your typing...

The term 'pissed off' requires 10 key presses. It takes 9 to type the term 'P.O.'ed' but I can imagine that it also takes a bit of additional thinking. Time, that as I proved it to you, some people have too much of occasionally.

Sincerely,
 
I'm trying to order the i7 from the online Apple Store, but each time I try to add the system to the cart, it advances to an error page. Looks like they aren't able to yet handle the sales or its still being revamped.

I'm really P.O.'ed about the taxes. ITs a few hundred dollars on top of an already pricey computer.

Does anyone know of a state which Apple ships to that doesnt have to pay tax or would I have to order from an out-of-state Reseller?

There is tax in all states for Apple items even if there is no Apple store. Buy on Amazon if you aren't a student.
 
you meant to say higher clocked Core i5?
There are many faster clocked processors that Intel just released. The Core i3 540 was the fastest one on the desktop side until now for the Core i3 line. It doesn't look good when the majority of consumers still only understand clock speed.

Eidorian, how much is the 21.5" IPS Display?
$200-300 depending on where you go. The panel itself is going to be less.

I know 27" IPS is expensive, only other competition is Dell 27" which is selling $1k...
~$900 before taxes if you watch the deals. I don't expect Dell to keep the suggested price at $1099 anymore.
 
OK, so I need some honest opinions. I bought a 27" iMac, 2.8 i7, 4GB, 1TB, RadeonHD 4850 about a month ago. From a professional photography standpoint (disregarding opinions about the screen): should I try to sell this one and upgrade to the new one with, from what I can tell, not much more than a better graphics card?
 
I'm trying to order the i7 from the online Apple Store, but each time I try to add the system to the cart, it advances to an error page. Looks like they aren't able to yet handle the sales or its still being revamped.

I'm really P.O.'ed about the taxes. ITs a few hundred dollars on top of an already pricey computer.

Does anyone know of a state which Apple ships to that doesnt have to pay tax or would I have to order from an out-of-state Reseller?

Delaware. No sales tax on anything here. :D:cool:
 
Magic mouse is $69
Magic trackpad is $69

why not offer any one of them as free in iMac?

Seems you can choose to have a Magic Mouse without a trackpad (for no additional cost) but not a trackpad without a Magic Mouse (you have to pay for the privelege). Why? What is the point of forcing you to have both if you want just the trackpad? Apple mystify me at times.
 
It was pointed out to me earlier that the i3 and i5 processors in the low-end iMacs are both dual core. The main difference is the i3s do not support Turbo boost. This is not as big an issue as you might think because low-end Core i5 processors can only overclock themselves by a maximum of 266Mhz with their Turbo functionality. Whether the slightly faster processor speed of the low-end i5 justifies the extra cost over the i3 is down to your budget. Personally, I can't justify the additional £150 (UK price) for the marginal boost in speed.

The 3.2 i3 includes Turbo boost

See here under the tech specs section
 
Seems you can choose to have a Magic Mouse without a trackpad (for no additional cost) but not a trackpad without a Magic Mouse (you have to pay for the privelege). Why? What is the point of forcing you to have both if you want just the trackpad? Apple mystify me at times.
It probably comes down to packaging the computer. They figure most people will want the mouse so they make it the standard configuration. Apple has always tried to force people into their standard configurations because it simplifies packaging and distribution. That is why they have always made BTO options like RAM so expensive.
 
There's speculation that the 5750 is a desktop GPU because the new iMac's lineup matches those of desktop GPUs. Either that or it's a renamed Mobility 5850/5870.

Or Apple did make a big downgrade.

Maybe they're just being a little more forthright for once?

It looks like Apple held off for the higher clocked Core i3 processors that were part of the second wave. The Core i5 680 is fast but you want more cores in this day and age.

Agreed.... especially since the 680 is allegedly more expensive than the 760... I really wanted a quad-core in the 21.5" size... and it would have even increased Apple's margins.
 
Everybody seems to be lamenting for BluRay & USB 3.0 & state-of-the-art graphic card while what the new iMac is merely missing is ONE accessible USB port on the right side (below the SDXC card slot), and ONE accessible headphone input on the lower left side of the unit. Another disappointment for me is the exclusion of SSD-HDD hybrid storage (nice update on the 27") from the higher-end 21.5" model, plus the option to remove the optical drive for a 3rd HDD (256GB SSD + 2TB + 2TB = 4.25TB direct storage nirvana!!! :):D).

Also, a higher resolution iSight camera & better video calling app (integration with iCal/iPhone etc) is much more desirable to me rather than excessive bells n whistles. iMac is a general purpose machine with great aesthetic (physical) design & the convenience of an attached display: don't expect too much out of it.

As for BluRay, go get a PS3 and watch 1080p movies on your 50" plasma with a serious receiver in your living room where these kinds of movies belong. Watching BluRay on your desktop really defeats the purpose of High Definition format. However Apple should not be reluctant to include a native 1080p HDMI input for playing PS3 games using that beautiful IPS display esp. on the 27". As for USB 3.0, how many devices are compatible with this new protocol anyway?
 
Like I said ... I would rather have a decent 1920x1080 27" monitor and actually have a monster video card/cpu to drive it at native res for much less money

I'll give you that the iMac monitors are very nice, but they are not worth the price premium and they don't have the hardware to back them up. High resolution monitor + slow components = fail

It's not the system you would build, that's fine. My point was that you were incorrect in stating that you could build an equivalent system for $800 when 27"+ IPS monitors cost more than that themselves. The value is there, just not in the places you value most.

The iMac is not a top end gaming machine, it's an all in one that focuses on having the best display available. Maybe as more games become available for the mac, Apple will release something a little more appropriate for gaming (a mid tower). I wouldn't hold my breath though, as there is little incentive for Apple to enter that market as it features razor thin margins and offers little room for differentiation (a tower is a tower).

That said, the iMac offers a lot of value in both the cost of the components and for people interested in things other then playing the latest games at the max settings.
 
Agreed.... especially since the 680 is allegedly more expensive than the 760... I really wanted a quad-core in the 21.5" size... and it would have even increased Apple's margins.
Intel is charging limbs for those fast Clarkdale 2 core, 4 thread speed monsters.

The Core i5/i7 750, 760, 860, and 870 are much better choices for less or the same price point.

I don't expect to be upgrading from my $158 Core i5 750 any time soon. I've had it since launch back in September 2009 as well.
 
There are many faster clocked processors that Intel just released. The Core i3 540 was the fastest one on the desktop side until now for the Core i3 line. It doesn't look good when the majority of consumers still only understand clock speed.

$200-300 depending on where you go. The panel itself is going to be less.

~$900 before taxes if you watch the deals. I don't expect Dell to keep the suggested price at $1099 anymore.

Thanks, it looks like 27" iMac will retain the value compared to 21.5" iMac
 
OK, so I need some honest opinions. I bought a 27" iMac, 2.8 i7, 4GB, 1TB, RadeonHD 4850 about a month ago. From a professional photography standpoint (disregarding opinions about the screen): should I try to sell this one and upgrade to the new one with, from what I can tell, not much more than a better graphics card?

No. This is more of a sidegrade than an upgrade. There is literally almost no speed difference to speak of.
 
Intel is charging limbs for those fast Clarkdale 2 core, 4 thread speed monsters.

The Core i5/i7 750, 760, 860, and 870 are much better choices for less or the same price point.

Well, good to know I wasn't just misreading the chart :eek:. So what do you think drove Apple to make this call? Maybe some concern about higher TDP, or just a matter of marketing (higher GHz?).

I don't expect to be upgrading from my $158 Core i5 750 any time soon. I've had it since launch back in September 2009 as well.

I remember when the 750 cost that much late last year.... I don't like it when my prospective hackintosh builds get *more expensive* with identical specs over time.... :rolleyes:
 
Seems you can choose to have a Magic Mouse without a trackpad (for no additional cost) but not a trackpad without a Magic Mouse (you have to pay for the privelege). Why? What is the point of forcing you to have both if you want just the trackpad? Apple mystify me at times.

it mystifies me as well, hope it is just oversight and APPLE offers Magic Mouse or Magic Trackpad with iMac

OR new iMac owners need to call apple customer service (most of the time they are very nice, they might you offer both)

i got wireless keyboard and wired keyboard due to shipping delays ...
 
Welll...

How does this compare to the 2.8ghz intel core i7 imac I bought on the last refresh?

Same monitor, same processor but with a slightly higher speed bump but you likely wouldn't notice the difference. The video card has more memory and is
faster but not so much faster that you would feel cheated or anything.

I'm keeping mine anyway.
 
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