can anyone supply a link to the new ram one needs @ newegg or OWC? I am spec illiterate but would like to upgrade to 8GB or 16GB
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Apple Releases New iMacs with Upgraded ATI Radeon HD Graphics Cards
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how do they verify that one's a student online to become eligible for the discounts and the ipod?
how do they verify that one's a student online to become eligible for the discounts and the ipod?
Wow! Crappy video cards.... AGAIN?!
Seriously?
I find it so humorous that people in this thread are claiming that we're always whining about something. And that Apple can never make us happy.
But please, take note, most every single person complaining about the GPU is *only* complaining about the GPU, and has been complaining for YEARS!
It's the only complaint I ever have with Apple computers. We get great processors, we get decent HDDs and RAM, and a fantastic design and build quality. But my God, are the GPUs always lackluster at best.
The old white iMacs had terribly outdated ATI cards.
The top of the line iMac after that, which I bought, had a measly 2600XT.
The 8800GS was okay; but was already a year old when it released.
The 4850, again, was okay, if a year old at release.
But then using the 4850 to drive a 27" res was a terrible idea.
And the new 5750 is *maybe* 10% faster than the 4850 they've been using for two years.
Pathetic.
Really, they couldn't put a 5770 in? Or at least a mobile 5870? If a laptop can fit two mobile 5870s, I don't know how a 27" iMac couldn't fit one.
I still love Apple. Love my iPhone. I love my iMac. But, it kills me they can't give us decent GPUs.
Same goes with their laptops. If tomorrow Apple released a 13" MBP with a i3/i5 and a 335m, I'd buy it in a second.
...Otherwise, I'll hold onto my 9600, which is a rebadged 8600, since I don't feel like I need the 300M, which has about the power of a 9600
Seriously?
I find it so humorous that people in this thread are claiming that we're always whining about something. And that Apple can never make us happy.
But please, take note, most every single person complaining about the GPU is *only* complaining about the GPU, and has been complaining for YEARS!
It's the only complaint I ever have with Apple computers. We get great processors, we get decent HDDs and RAM, and a fantastic design and build quality. But my God, are the GPUs always lackluster at best.
The old white iMacs had terribly outdated ATI cards.
The top of the line iMac after that, which I bought, had a measly 2600XT.
The 8800GS was okay; but was already a year old when it released.
The 4850, again, was okay, if a year old at release.
But then using the 4850 to drive a 27" res was a terrible idea.
And the new 5750 is *maybe* 10% faster than the 4850 they've been using for two years.
Pathetic.
Really, they couldn't put a 5770 in? Or at least a mobile 5870? If a laptop can fit two mobile 5870s, I don't know how a 27" iMac couldn't fit one.
I still love Apple. Love my iPhone. I love my iMac. But, it kills me they can't give us decent GPUs.
Same goes with their laptops. If tomorrow Apple released a 13" MBP with a i3/i5 and a 335m, I'd buy it in a second.
...Otherwise, I'll hold onto my 9600, which is a rebadged 8600, since I don't feel like I need the 300M, which has about the power of a 9600
The SSD Option is huge -the i7+SSD should absolutely scream. Hard to imagine a better designed computer for anyone except a gamer/film editor / 3D Designer who wants stronger graphics.
I'm anxious to see benchmarks on how an i3+SSD compares to an i7+SATA for everyday use (opening word, rendering web pages, etc)
iMac in a Mac Pro Case
I wish Apple would offer the guts of an iMac in a Mac Pro case. I don't want a built in monitor, and I don't need a Xeon processor.
I wish Apple would offer the guts of an iMac in a Mac Pro case. I don't want a built in monitor, and I don't need a Xeon processor.
This has got to be the most expensive Apple purchase day for my family – having four children is such a privilege:
2 * 21,5-inch iMac
2 * 27-inch Quad Core iMac
2 * iPhone 4 32GB
2 * Magic Trackpad
2 * iPad 3G 32GB
1 * 15-inch MacBook Pro
1 * 24-inch LED Cinema Display
And that doesn't even include my personal order:
1 * Mac Pro 12-core (32GB with 4 * SSD)
2 * 27-inch LED Cinema Display
Apple was so nice to call me back and confirm that I will be one of the first to receive them, within a two week window from today. Thank you Benny. I mean Apple
2 * 21,5-inch iMac
2 * 27-inch Quad Core iMac
2 * iPhone 4 32GB
2 * Magic Trackpad
2 * iPad 3G 32GB
1 * 15-inch MacBook Pro
1 * 24-inch LED Cinema Display
And that doesn't even include my personal order:
1 * Mac Pro 12-core (32GB with 4 * SSD)
2 * 27-inch LED Cinema Display
Apple was so nice to call me back and confirm that I will be one of the first to receive them, within a two week window from today. Thank you Benny. I mean Apple
Reality check.
There are a lot of places other than US selling the Dell U2711 (27" IPS) at a much lower price. Hong Kong Dell online store is selling one of those at around US $675 . http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/zh/business/Monitors/ct.aspx?refid=monitors&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1&~tab=2
Lets make a same spec computer but with a much higher spec video card:
Intel i5 760 2.8Ghz US $205
Corsair XMS3 CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 DDR3 1600 4G Kit (2Gx2) US $105
WD Caviar Black 1TB 1002FAEX SATA3/64MB HDD US $82
HIS HD5870 I-Cooler V PCI-E 1GB DDR5 US $385
ASUS P7P55-LX P55,DDR3 M/B US $125
ANTEC NE620C NeoEco 620W 80Plus power supply US $76
Webcam US $50
Wifi 802.11N wireless card US $40
Case US $80
Whatever crap you want to throw at it US $100
Total : US $1923
For almost the same price as a iMac 27" $1999, you have one of the best video card on earth + 27" IPS LCD.
Note: I own a 27" iMac. I bought it just because I have spare money to buy a Mac OS computer. If I want to build a gaming machine, definitely not the iMac. Period.
Never owned a mac before - definitely getting an imac -- some questions; thanks!!!!
First of all, is the update that happened today the "main" update for the year, or should I wait until october?
Secondly, if you had the option of less ram but getting a SSD drive, would you do it?
Thanks all!!!!
First of all, is the update that happened today the "main" update for the year, or should I wait until october?
Secondly, if you had the option of less ram but getting a SSD drive, would you do it?
Thanks all!!!!
as someone who used to build PC's i'd go for the iMac if it's the same money. better support. and the parts are better than what you listed. for one the imac's have 87Plus power supplies. and you have to add bluetooth to your config along with a Windows 7 Ultimate license to get the bitlocker capability
and i've been burned buying bleeding edge graphics cards. i've bought a nvidia TI4600 and a voodoo2 the day they came out. each time there weren't any games for over a year that used those features. the ti4600 even broke and i was SoL since the company went out of business. and the super duper video cards suck up power and sound like jet engines
being older and wiser i'll take a mac with a real warranty and less noise than some overpriced bleeding edge toy that costs me $30 a month in electric bills
The only reason I can think of is Apple's history of being about one --> two cycles behind in 90% of it's tech.
Other than that, it might have something minor to do with Intel's chipsets not supporting it (I think anyway, correction welcome). I honestly have no solid answer.
Use 27" iMac as External Monitor for my Windows Laptop?
My work requires that I use an aging Windows XP laptop to connect to their VPN, which I have to do to have access to the documents I work on and corporate email and calendar (Outlook).
The specs for the just-released iMacs say:
Is this new or is this saying (basically) that the iMac can be used as an external display for my PowerMac Pro or MacMini?
Or is this suggesting that a VGA --> DisplayPort adapter would allow me to use this iMac as the display for my laptop (not that my laptop can drive a 27" monitor, but I'm curious)?
My work requires that I use an aging Windows XP laptop to connect to their VPN, which I have to do to have access to the documents I work on and corporate email and calendar (Outlook).
The specs for the just-released iMacs say:
Is this new or is this saying (basically) that the iMac can be used as an external display for my PowerMac Pro or MacMini?
Or is this suggesting that a VGA --> DisplayPort adapter would allow me to use this iMac as the display for my laptop (not that my laptop can drive a 27" monitor, but I'm curious)?
I wouldn't expect any more updates in 2010. I'd go for the SSD and add more RAM yourself if you find you need it. Considering that keeping the 1TB drive in addition to the SSD is only $150, I'd keep that in for backup and extra storage
you are good for another 10 months or so
iMac refreshes happens once every 6 to 10 months
you have it other way around; server CPUs are the last one to migrate to new process - IMHO - at least recent 5 years ...
Better support is a given since biulding your own yields no support out of what you yourself provide (and the warranties on each individual part), but how can you actually say that the parts are any better? Apple, just like every other PC company, generally goes for the best pricing per volume they can get. Now, do they typically go with more reputable companies than, say, the likes of Acer? Of course. But companies such as Western Digital, ASUS, Corsair, etc., are all very reputable (and ones that he listed).
The only "red flag" to me on his list was the HIS graphics card, but even then that depends on whether the card is stock or not. If it's stock, it's build to the specifications issued by AMD and retailers like HIS simply slap a HIS sticker on it and push it out the door. Some companies, such as XFX, Sapphire, etc., push out custom cooler designs with variable clock rates, but yeah. And the minimum Radeon 58XX series warranty I've seen was for two years, so even if HIS has a warranty such as that, it's still twice the iMac's default warranty.
Sorry, but your Voodoo2 comment is false. The Voodoo2's big "feature" upon release was dual-texturing, something which Quake II supported (and Quake II's release pre-dates the release of the Voodoo2 cards by 3Dfx). Unreal and Starsiege: Tribes also supported it if I recall, and both of those came out in 1998 as well (the same year the Voodoo2 came out - I remember because people made a big deal over this "new-fangled" technology it was incorporating called SLI). Anyway, the Voodoo2 actually lasted for a considerable amount of time performance-wise, due to Glide's dominance in the late 90s.
As for the Ti 4600, if I recall, it's major "feature" was hardware AA, something that did take games a little while to implement. However, even that notwithstanding, the Ti 4600 was the *top* performing card for a fairly long time, and by a good margin. It was one of those rare cards where you could actually spend a hefty amount, but not feel bad given how long the card lasted (especially given the crap-shoot that was the FX line to follow). Anyone who complains about having owned a Ti 4600 really should just stop.
I'm sorry, but now I know you're just trolling.
Edit - Saw this:
Uh, not quite... First of all, all desktop i3s, i5s and some i7s are based off of Lynnfield. While Lynnfield is based off of Nehalem (the same microarchitecture that Lynnfield is derived from), there are major differences between the variations of Nehalem (Bloomfield, Gainestown, etc.) that Xeons are based upon, and that of Lynnfield. The Lynnfield i-Series are *not* disabled/rebranded Xeons.alent1234 said:
The process you're thinking of is called "binning", and you are correct that AMD and nVidia use it for graphics cards. Intel and AMD (when it come to processors) also do it, but it gets used far more often just with regards to members of the same product family - so for example, a core that was meant to be a i7 860, if it's not capable of hitting the desired speed within the designated TDP, may become an i7 840 instead if possible.
Intel doesn't "bin" Xeons down to Lynnfields - they're fabbed differently. Also, you should read up on the differences between the i3s, i5s and i7s, because even within the Lynnfield family, you can't necessarily bin an i7 8xx series down to an i5 or such.
the xeon 5600's are 32nm just like the i core. and the 5600's just came out in volume a month ago compared to January for the i Core. the 5600's hit the market late April but Dell and HP had them as BTO options on servers and it was a several week wait. starting around June they hit the pre-built systems
you can argue that Intel spent the time perfecting the process to get the yields high enough to release Xeon's based on 32nm. the CPU's were 5600 Xeon's, but the process wasn't mature enough to label them as such so they disabled features and labeled them core i3/5/7. as the process matured they were able to produce "perfect" CPU's that get the Xeon label
and the way Intel manufacturing works is all the new stuff is first made in Oregon where they work out the manufacturing process. then the same process is copied in their other fabs around the world to produce in volume.
My "bleeding edge" system that cost over a $1000 less than a comparable Mac Pro* is clearly over-priced.
*Sadly, it doesn't support ECC RAM. Thankfully I don't expect any solar flares or cosmic radiation to cause any issues in the near future.
Will the 21.5" i3 iMacs be able to be used as an external display now as well (like the 27" models)?
At least from Apple's iMac tech specs page, it appears that all models currently support:
"# Mini DisplayPort output with support for DVI, VGA, and dual-link DVI (adapters sold separately); 27-inch models also support input from external DisplayPort sources (adapters sold separately)
# Support for extended desktop and video mirroring modes
# Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a 30-inch display (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display"
It's 26° C in my room and the loudest components in my computer when running Handbrake are the hard drives.