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anubis said:
Sorry guy, but you're screwed.

If everyone who ever bought a computer demanded a refund every time a computer manufacturer updated its product line, there would be no incentive for them to update, would there?

Would it be reasonable to demand that Saturn refund my money because my '99 SL is no longer the latest model, and I'm upset that they updated the product line? Sounds silly, doesn't it.

The representitive isn't allowed to discuss future product plans. Furthermore, he or she probably really didn't know.

EVERY time there's a product update, there's always at least one person who is angry because their computer is out of date, and for some insane reason they think Apple owes them something. Well guess what, they don't.

Maybe if you have put a little thought and research into your purchase decision, you would have realized that it had been over 250 days since the last Powerbook update, and quick check of this web site would have told you that updates were imminent.

So let's summarize. You want Apple to pay you $365 for... what exactly? Because they updated their product line? Get real and grow up.




In attention to your statement of summary, I wasn't asking for a discount on a two year, one year, or even a 1 month old product because they updated their product line, I was making reference to mine being a day out of what Apple had posted for a price adjustment period of 10 days on their website and still being in the time frame for a return.

Secondly, I used to work for an automotive manufacturer and if a person was to order a car and a new model is released within a certain amount of time; the manufactures very often offer rebates and incentives that can retro to the purchase date of the previous model year vehicle to make the customers who bought that vehicle feel more comfortable with their purchase, you just have to ask.

I also worked in computer sales, we were visited and knew every local factory rep and was advised of new tech months in advance..stores usually always get sku numbers a good deal of time before the product is shipped. Salespeople are salespeople, I used to be one, it's all about closing the deal that day. When the first PB G4's came out, I had model numbers and specs 2 weeks ahead of time for stocking purposes. But anyway....

In regards to doing research, I did my research. I was aware of the time since the last update and I waited for the MWSF show before making my purchase since I knew I couldn't wait until the big show later in the year. Some of us have business to do instead of waiting around years for the next big thing.

Well, thanks again for your wonderfully optimistic point of view, not sure how many forums you frequent, but people who only spend their time flaming others usually aren't like all that much or thought to be very credible. Kinda makes the forum a dirty place and unfortunately gives it a bad name for everyone else. Maybe before you grew up, your mother should have taught you the "nothing nice to say rule..."

Apple is a great company and knows how to take care of their customers. After visiting my local Apple store today, your absolutely right...I did not get my $365 back...I got my $424 back and a 12 day extension on my Apple Care. Oh and thank you to the guy that posted a few down from my original message and everyone else that posts credible information, nice to see there are some understanding people on here who don't mind offering their knowledge without boasting their self prescribed super-intellectual status.
 
If all you people are experts in complaining but also aparently know what apple should be doing and are "techies", why don't u tell them and work for them or even better START YOUR BUSINESS! oh wait, u prob just sit on your comp and think you know everything.
 
Quick couple of questions

Another newbie asking stupid questions, but am wondering...

1. Is the DVD writer on the new powerbooks dual layer capable or not? It doesn't tout it to be so I am guessing no. Kinda dissapointing. I don't know what the restrictions are to putting that in but it is obviously widely available at this point.

2. What is the best website to purchase more ram for a powerbook

Thanks.
 
I wonder if these updates will be enough to shave off the price of the old powerbooks.

I wouldn't mind a 12" 1.33 if it was priced under or about 1000

Mike
 
Aside from the graphics card, I don't see what there is to complain about regarding the latest PowerBooks. Faster processor, bigger & faster HD, more standard ram, iLife '05... I mean, what else could you want? If I had the cash, I'd buy one tomorrow. (I guess I'm going to have to buy an iPod tomorrow instead :p)
 
No DL burners for the PBs. You get DVD+RW capability, which is better than the last models.
 
TIMEKILLER said:
Those who have never run Centrinos won't know what I'm talking about, those who have run even older centrinos will get it.

Rant mode off.

No, not really, I don't get it. I have both. (well not really). I use a 1.4 centrino with 1.25 gb of ram. I also use a g3 800 ibook. I'm not one bit impressed with my pc. In fact I get just as impatient with it as I do my ibook.

When my company gave it to me I was ecstatic. One week later I was using my lowly ibook. I'm not saying I can compare these two computers, I can't. I will say this.. the g3 ibook is still pretty ***** good.

You have got to be kidding when you say your sick of waiting while working. I do it all day long with my incredible lightning fast centrino. I can't wait until I get my new powerbook. If its 2 times faster than my ibook the centrino is being handed in. So I guess its safe to say goodbye intel.
 
15" PBs seem to consistently hit the sweet spot...

Interesting...

The 15" powerbooks always seem to be the happy medium. The screen size is decent; the backlit keyboard is a definite plus; and there's gigabit ethernet, Firewire 800, and the PC/Cardbus slot. Also, the video output is a real DVI port (and S-video with no adapter), and no mini-DVI dongles are needed.
The 15-inch PBs also have processor choices, and larger HDs come standard.

If one gets the 12", one loses all of these features. Going with the 17" adds 400 or $700 to the price, just for a bigger screen and optical audio.
 
Zaty said:
I couldn't agree more, I don't understand why people are disappointed. This update reflects what we could realistically expect. Apple even added two nice things, touchpad scrolling an sudden motion sensor.

I'll have to disagree with you and say that the two nice things are (1) 512MB RAM standard and (2) 5400rpm HDDs.
 
FSB Sucks yes.. But a 1.5ghz Powerbook Runs OSX Better then a 2.13 intel Runs XP... Photoshop IS Faster on a Powerbook then a intel even if the filters take a little longer! With the PB the menus etc.. don't freeze when you are running Filters like in XP!! that makes it faster. I know about this because I have used photoshop on PCs and Macs since Ver 3. OSX runs most programs better then my 3ghz P4 and that's saying something. Higher numbers mean Squat people if you are wasting 70% of it with bad Code and unoptimized hardware. ok Linux on a Intel.. different story but then linux does not have photoshop does it? (don't say the GIMP that program stinks) OS9 well Sucked... I don't see why people used macs before OSX but that's just me
 
Brother Michael said:
I wonder if these updates will be enough to shave off the price of the old powerbooks.

I wouldn't mind a 12" 1.33 if it was priced under or about 1000

Mike

A 1.33GHz 12" PB for under or about $1000? Not likely. PB's, and Apple computers in general, have always been able to hold their value very well. I wouldn't expect to find one for much less than $1300 if that..
 
when they will be in stores? I have no Clue but my 15' shipped from shanghi the same day I ordered it! gota love those hardworking crafty chinese.
 
1.33ghz 12' are on sale on the apple site for $1299 stupid to buy one IMO you can get a 1.5 with EDU discount for $1399 and if you buy it online apple does not even check if you are a student ;)
 
MacTruck said:
Maybe because the new powerbook is still using the same casing that deteriorates due to sweat and pitting There is not even a real speed dirrerence between the 1ghz G4 and the 1.5ghz G4, just hotter and sucks the battery.

I have had my AL Powerbook in Iraq for a year and it has not deteriorated due to sweat and I was dripping all last summer! There is NO SPEED difference between a 1 and a 1.5Ghz G4? How do you back that statement up? I have a 1Ghz G4, actually the one that runs on a 167Mhz FSB with 512K L2 Cache, and I have a friend over here with a 1.5Ghz Powerbook and there is a quite noticeable performance increase. Also, you need to look at some benchmarks and you will see that a new Powerbook with the 1.5 or 1.67 Ghz G4 will run over a 1Ghz TiBook in every test.
 
carpet said:
So when are they actually gonna be in the stores so we can buy one?

I called my local store today and they said tomorrow (the 2nd of February).

Myself... I just ordered one online!! :D
 
I sold my titanium 1gz superdrive on ebay when the aluminums came out for $2400. I never bought an aluminum though. I was wise to wait. I used my dual MDD 1.42ghz until I was ready. My friend got the Aluminum 1.33ghz 15" and I hate it. It is not faster than my Tibook at all and the battery sucks. I went back on ebay last month and purchased a brand new Tibook 1ghz G4 with superdrive. It came with 2 batteries, 2 power supplies, a really nice bag, the box and manuals and not a scratch on it. I paid $1500 for it buy it now and I tell you its the best thing I ever did. I get 5hrs battery life, its solid as a rock, everything works and its fast. Sure it has the old usb but who cares. Its got DVI, 64mg radeon 9000, 1gb ram, the same screen if not better than the latest powerbook etc. Its the last rev so its solid, no paint chipping.

Bottom line... the latest and greatest sometimes isn't the greatest. I will take my 1ghz Tibook over the 1.67ghz battery sucker any day. I will keep this until dual core comes out or G5 rev c powerbooks arrive period.

The G4 1ghz vs the G4 1.5ghz is almost exactly the same speed despite whatever benchmarks are dug up. I put this baby side by side at the apple store and there was no speed difference. Why??? I simply put a 7200rpm 8mg cache 60gb drive in my Tibook thats it. $150 cost and I sold the old drive for $130. I still get 5hrs of battery life.

If you want a cheap powerbook get the Last Tibook. I am not the only one who thinks so, check ebay they go for $2000 now. I got a good deal for sure. And if I want a fast DVD burner or dual layer I can just get one from OWC for $200 no problem.

What does all this say? The new powerbooks are not that much of an upgrade if I can still use my Tibook from 2 years ago and it is the same speed. All the griping about a faster bus and faster video is rediculous, they amount to nothing in real world tests. Is photoshop opening 1 second faster worth $3000? Maybe if you use $100 bills to wiper your A$$.
 
Should be possible!

Brother Michael said:
I wonder if these updates will be enough to shave off the price of the old powerbooks.

I wouldn't mind a 12" 1.33 if it was priced under or about 1000

Mike

I would think you will see some 12" PB's for under $1000. Considering the PB line is getting long in the tooth, sales have been extremely poor, and new ones are discounted down to $1300.00.

However most users probably won't upgrade until Apple comes out with a substantial new product. Once the G5 PB's are released you will see a flood of used models hitting ebay. You might even get the 12" in the sub $500.00 market once that happens.

I received a flyer from Dell today in the mail, centrino, 15" laptop $499 with rebate. Computer prices are plumeting lately.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
I have had my AL Powerbook in Iraq for a year and it has not deteriorated due to sweat and I was dripping all last summer! There is NO SPEED difference between a 1 and a 1.5Ghz G4? How do you back that statement up? I have a 1Ghz G4, actually the one that runs on a 167Mhz FSB with 512K L2 Cache, and I have a friend over here with a 1.5Ghz Powerbook and there is a quite noticeable performance increase. Also, you need to look at some benchmarks and you will see that a new Powerbook with the 1.5 or 1.67 Ghz G4 will run over a 1Ghz TiBook in every test.


Well then, I guess I made up the whole pitting thing then. I guess all the people complaining about it are making it up too. My bad. Ok, there might be a slight speed difference in speed but its very slight. Why don't you shoot us some benchmarks then since you are comparing them right? Lets see same os with same updates ok. Startup times, photoshop startup times etc. Prove me wrong ok.

Oh but there is the problem, you have the 1ghz g4 with the 512 cache. The Tibooks have 1mb cache. Its faster man.
 
And another thing, the screen hing on the aluminum powerbooks is ugly. It looks weird. The screen sits to low. If someone says you get used to it I say no way. You can get used to getting raped in prison too but why would you want to? I am waiting for a new screen hing on top of everthing else. Its an ibook with silver paint man.

To the person who is saying centrinos suck, my IBM T42p is 2ghz and with ultrabay battery it gets 8 hrs life and that is not optimized. Its also plenty faster than the 1.5ghz powerbook and never gets hot.

I love my powerbook and I love apple but lets all face the truth, this is another we can't get past a 500mhz g4 situation if you all remember that fiasco.

Dual core, dual core, dual core, dual core, dual core, dual core, dual core...
 
carpet said:
So when are they actually gonna be in the stores so we can buy one?

MacMall had them in stock on the 1st.


I'm waiting for WalMart to get them... :0)



JUST KIDDING... I don't need one!
 
MacTruck said:
Well then, I guess I made up the whole pitting thing then. I guess all the people complaining about it are making it up too. My bad. Ok, there might be a slight speed difference in speed but its very slight. Why don't you shoot us some benchmarks then since you are comparing them right? Lets see same os with same updates ok. Startup times, photoshop startup times etc. Prove me wrong ok.

Check out barefeats if you don't believe us: http://www.barefeats.com/ibG4.html

The clock rates scale pretty decently, but the real difference is OpenGL performance. The 9700 is a LOT faster than the 9000 ATI. I'm guessing the increased battery performance of the TiBooks probably amounts to the new ATI card taking more juice to run all the time.

As far as the 1.5 "sucking batteries" -- That's why they put bigger watt/hr batteries in them.
 
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