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I wish they would fix the broken AirPort SNMP implementation. But, most likely, we will never see professional features again on any apple device. SNMP is probably just another legacy from the time when Apple made computers not toys.
 
Welp. That's it. I'm buying a cisco router ASAP. Apple needs to know that some of us are intelligent and don't need or appreciate this hand holding. As soon as I have to JB my Mac I'm headed out...
 
Some may choose to use the IOS type interface and some may choose to use the original.
Funny, if Airport Utility had always been like this most people would say how much easier it is than the web UIs of other routers. But nobody had complained how much dumbed down the Airport Utility 5.x was compared to all these wonderful Linksys web interfaces.
As we say, the first human right seems to be that nothing you ever had will ever be taken away from you. And every feature removed from an applications violates this first and most important human right.
 
As For the logs and stats in 6.0 it gives it to you in another way:
In the thumbnail that pops up when you click on the base station it shows wireless clients listed. If you hover over those clients it shows you there address, there hardware id, there connection quality, there db rating and there connection mode ie a, b, g, or n.
 
Kind of funny that in reality Apple came out with an update to the original Airport Utility and simultaneously released a dumbed down iOS like version, and everyone is going nuts. I think the fault may lie with the original news item, which didn't mention 5.6 being available. The news should be:

NEW AIRPORT UTILITY AVAILABLE!!!!*




*plus a new lame lite version too.
And 99.9% of all users will actually like the lame version more. But making 99.9% of the population happier does not justify annoying 0.1% of the users. There is a provision in most constitutions worldwide that any feature removal can be considered as an insult gives the insulted the right to yell back insults of his or her own.
 
Hope if fixes Express problem

Raised this issue a while ago in Apple forums. There was no work-around at the time. I have two Airport Extremes daisy chained. My Airport Express is less than 10 feet from the second, and about 100 feet from the first. Whilst playing music, it will often drop its very strong (300 mbps) connection, and switch to the first (21 mbps). Once this happens, the music stutters, and I have to reboot the Express. Haven't tested it yet, but all my routers and the Express got firmware 7.6.1. Fingers crossed.

Edit: About 1 hour into Bobby Blue Bland Anthology, and Express has not yet switched to the low mbps Extreme. Usually would have happened by now, so maybe Apple fixed this. Cheers, NSC.
 
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I totally agree. This isn't the first time Apple makes updates and leaves out crucial features. Typically I like the changed they make (in this case I do like 6.0's interface), but I do hate that they keep releasing half products when upgrading their software. Remember when they released Quicktime X? It was supposed to add in the extra features that Quicktime 7 had, eventually. I haven't seen any updates to Quicktime X, and often I still need to rely on Quicktime 7.
And Quicktime 7 has been discontinued shortly after the release of QTX and does not work anymore on recent computers?
 
Until they discontinue the 5.x line and 6.x is 10.8 only and Xcode 5.x only runs on 10.8 and I need Xcode 5.x to submit applications to the app store so I can make money. Eventually I'm forced into their new way of thinking regardless. Should I really be expected to keep a machine or even an OS partition around just for configuration utilities in the future?

My point is that they're slowly but surely pressuring people into situations that some of us do not want to be in. I have never felt the way Apple makes me feel right now. It's like they've become all-out hostile to power users and options.

I still use MobileMe (yes, I haven't switched). What happens when that goes away and I'm still on 10.6.8 because I can't stand Mission Control? Well, I lose all that functionality because Apple has refused to release 10.6.9 in an effort to force people onto 10.7.

This is what pisses me off. This lame ass iOS-ification that is spreading around like a goddam cancer. If I'm still using Mac stuff in 5 years when my kid is old enough to comprehend some of this stuff, I can't wait until he asks me "Daddy, were computers ever free? Did you ever use them to do whatever you wanted whenever you wanted?".

-SC

Or you could just change to using Windows 8, Windows Phone 8, Office "15", & Visual Studio 2012/13 along with Windows Live Skydrive when they're released.

They're basically OSX, iOS, iWork, Xcode, & iCloud done right. The next wave of products MS is releasing this year and early part of next year will be their most important & in my opinion their best products they've released in a decade. I for one cannot wait.
 
In the new app you click on the Time Capsule, Base Station or Express and the little window thing that pops up gives a list of the wireless clients near the bottom, then you can hover over each one and see all the pertinent information on each one.
How about devices on ethernet?
 
Apple warned us

Lion is basically, the end of 32-bit software. It can run, some of it, but it's going to be clobbered soon. It makes it possible to write much, much better 64-bit Cocoa. A lot of the stuff of the last five years doesn't work anymore.

I sure hope they fix Quicktime X. It's 64-bit, all right. But I want the subs and so on to work.
 
All Apple need to do is provide an expert mode for people who want more config options. Likewise with most of the software they've produced recently.

I'm not against simplifying things for people who want to keep it simple but tweakers, admins and geeks want options.
 
And Quicktime 7 has been discontinued shortly after the release of QTX and does not work anymore on recent computers?

I think you miss the point sport. So let me make it clear. If Apple is about elegance and simplification, then each time we need to run multiple apps/services to maintain old features, then that isn't a very elegant, nor is it a simple, solution.

Think Quicktime 7 doing everything versus now having to run Quicktime X and 7. Think MobileMe doing everything to now having to run old MobileMe things like iDisk in addition to Running iCloud (and I'll leave out the fact we are stuck with managing Multiple IDs, which causes one's iTunes Match to reset on iOS devices over and over, i.e. forcing a redownload of the entire library; talk about a waste of bandwidth). Think about having having two Apple Utilities now... Remember Final Cut? Another case where you needed to run the old and the new at the same time.

The point is this is ridiculous. People are happy to move forward, but asking them to constantly switch between multiple options is absurd. That is making things complex for no apparent reason other than Apple doesn't want to add all the features into the new versions, i.e. they are being either lazy or cheap.
 
Funny, if Airport Utility had always been like this most people would say how much easier it is than the web UIs of other routers. But nobody had complained how much dumbed down the Airport Utility 5.x was compared to all these wonderful Linksys web interfaces.
As we say, the first human right seems to be that nothing you ever had will ever be taken away from you. And every feature removed from an applications violates this first and most important human right.

Actually, in EU taking away product features after the product is sold constitutes as breach of contract. Therefore, consumer is entitled for compensation or a refund. In this case Apple is still providing 5.6 (to avoid that) with all the features but then again they are pushing 6.0 with SU to the masses. Regarding Linksys or any other router, they don't have anything to do with this matter. You are taking it off context.
 
I just keep wondering about how little Snow Leopard has received love from Apple lately. It might be just me, but didn't Apple use to support their second-latest OS far better than they do now? Not everyone wants to move to Lion.

Out of curiosity, do you have a reason for not _wanting_ to update to Lion? It can't be the price, at just $30. It's very similar to Snow Leopard and some of its "change for change's sake" features can be disabled with simple Terminal commands. Pretty soon, you'll forget you upgraded but you'll enjoy the latest goodies.

Now, if you _can't_ upgrade (ie. due to older hardware), that's a different story.
 
I think you miss the point sport. So let me make it clear. If Apple is about elegance and simplification, then each time we need to run multiple apps/services to maintain old features, then that isn't a very elegant, nor is it a simple, solution.

Think Quicktime 7 doing everything versus now having to run Quicktime X and 7. Think MobileMe doing everything to now having to run old MobileMe things like iDisk in addition to Running iCloud (and I'll leave out the fact we are stuck with managing Multiple IDs, which causes one's iTunes Match to reset on iOS devices over and over, i.e. forcing a redownload of the entire library; talk about a waste of bandwidth). Think about having having two Apple Utilities now... Remember Final Cut? Another case where you needed to run the old and the new at the same time.

The point is this is ridiculous. People are happy to move forward, but asking them to constantly switch between multiple options is absurd. That is making things complex for no apparent reason other than Apple doesn't want to add all the features into the new versions, i.e. they are being either lazy or cheap.

Or Scott Forstall is too powerful at Apple.
 
Apple never did support older OSes very well.

Not entirely true. They usually support the current-1 version pretty well.

Furthermore, until June I can sync all my PowerPC machines running 10.4.11 with my MobileMe account. Still works perfectly, except for calendars.

I think Apple is intentionally not supporting Mac OS X Snow Leopard to simply instill value in OS X Lion.
 
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Funny, if Airport Utility had always been like this most people would say how much easier it is than the web UIs of other routers. But nobody had complained how much dumbed down the Airport Utility 5.x was compared to all these wonderful Linksys web interfaces.
As we say, the first human right seems to be that nothing you ever had will ever be taken away from you. And every feature removed from an applications violates this first and most important human right.

Last week, we needed to buy a new router for our office. It was a toss-up between an Airport Extreme and a high-end ASUS router ($60 cheaper). We ended up getting the ASUS because the store offered a return policy on it, but not on Apple products. I was going to remain open-minded about this non-Apple device.

I opened the box, it was very slickly-designed. Then I hooked it up and connected to it wirelessly from my Mac. What happened next blew my mind... a window popped up which looked like a very simple web browser. No icon in the Dock or anything, but just this simple Wizard window. I walked through a couple of steps configuring the router and was done. This beat Airport Utility hands-down in terms of being simple and straightforward. Now, I'm sure I'd need to go into the browser and access that manually next time, but I was impressed by the elegance.
 
Out of curiosity, do you have a reason for not _wanting_ to update to Lion? It can't be the price, at just $30. It's very similar to Snow Leopard and some of its "change for change's sake" features can be disabled with simple Terminal commands. Pretty soon, you'll forget you upgraded but you'll enjoy the latest goodies.

Now, if you _can't_ upgrade (ie. due to older hardware), that's a different story.

SL works just fine, not all of us throw $30 at something that works perfectly as is.

Where I draw the line is when iBooks Author installs perfectly on a SL machine as long as you change a text file in Terminal to say 10.7.2, install the program, then change it back to 10.6.8. That is a Microsoft move through and through.
 
I think you miss the point sport. So let me make it clear.

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The point is this is ridiculous. People are happy to move forward, but asking them to constantly switch between multiple options is absurd. That is making things complex for no apparent reason other than Apple doesn't want to add all the features into the new versions, i.e. they are being either lazy or cheap.

You made some very valid points. I'm not entirely happy with the direction that Apple is going with some of their stuff either. To keep this on topic, this latest Airport Utility 6.0 can't even be used from the keyboard when launched. You _have_ to use the mouse to select the device you want to configure. Isn't that a huge step backwards in terms of accessibility for power users and the blind alike? Really feels like change for change's sake. No real value added other than it looks prettier.
 
A problem

Ran the updates. I don't mind the news UI. I quite like it actually. Pretty easy, and I like the info that pops up when you hover the cursor over preview window when you select a Base Station.

But I do have a problem. My second Base Station (that's also run the update) is extending the network but at slow connection to the main Base Station. I'm getting 1Mbps when I would be usually getting a 5-7Mbps. Yep, it was lousy before, but this is rubbish.

Hopefully it'll figure itself out.
 
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