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Apple today released a new update for Safari Technology Preview, the experimental browser Apple first introduced in March 2016. Apple designed the Safari Technology Preview to test features that may be introduced into future release versions of Safari.

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Safari Technology Preview release 156 includes bug fixes and performance improvements for Web Inspector, CSS, JavaScript, Rendering, Media, Web Animations, Accessibility, Web API, and Safari Extensions.

The current Safari Technology Preview release is built on the Safari 16 update and it includes support macOS Ventura fdatures like Live Text, Passkeys, Web Extension improvements, and more.

The Safari Technology Preview update is available through the Software Update mechanism in System Preferences to anyone who has downloaded the browser. Full release notes for the update are available on the Safari Technology Preview website.

Apple's aim with Safari Technology Preview is to gather feedback from developers and users on its browser development process. Safari Technology Preview can run side-by-side with the existing Safari browser and while designed for developers, it does not require a developer account to download.


Article Link: Apple Releases Safari Technology Preview 156 With Bug Fixes and Performance Improvements
 
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Realityck

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If Apple cares so much about privacy and not having their users be tracked, why aren’t they implementing individual cookie jars?
Most web pages don't need cookies to log into a session. Netflix is one of those web sites what you can't run in private mode only, because it can't authenticate your session without specific cookies and website data. Other sVoD sites you can log into using private mode. As you know cookies and web data is not retained after you quite the browser while utilizing private mode. Private mode also isolates browsing initiated in one tab from browsing in another tab, so websites can't track your browsing across multiple sessions.
 

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Most web pages don't need cookies to log into a session. Netflix is one of those web sites what you can't run in private mode only, because it can't authenticate your session without specific cookies and website data. Other sVoD sites you can log into using private mode. As you know cookies and web data is not retained after you quite the browser while utilizing private mode. Private mode also isolates browsing initiated in one tab from browsing in another tab, so websites can't track your browsing across multiple sessions.

I don’t think you understand what I said at all.
 

Realityck

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Curious, what’s the difference between Safari technology preview and Safari beta?
It is billed as a stand alone Safari for previewing the newest web technologies by Apple that can run separate from the Safari you have on a a recent MacOS.

The Safari beta is part of the existing dev beta, public beta, or invited seed program, releases paired with a given MacOS beta release. Frequently the technology preview build is the same build number as the lastest beta. For Ventura RC it is now running 16.1 (Version 16.1 (18614.2.9.1.10).
 
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Realityck

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I don’t think you understand what I said at all.
Are you trying to compare whats incorporated into Firefox? aka Total Cookie Protection. Or something else?

Here’s how Total Cookie Protection works: Websites place “cookies” in your browser, small identifying bits of code that allow the website to “know” that your browser represents you, a unique individual. But those websites can also track you across the web, either by reading the contents of other cookies stored within your browser or by using other sites to host the site’s code—such as in the code used by a website’s comments system, for example. Either way, those sites use that information to build up a profile of who you are and what you do on the web, and use that to show you advertising.
 

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Are you trying to compare whats incorporated into Firefox? aka Total Cookie Protection. Or something else?

Here’s how Total Cookie Protection works: Websites place “cookies” in your browser, small identifying bits of code that allow the website to “know” that your browser represents you, a unique individual. But those websites can also track you across the web, either by reading the contents of other cookies stored within your browser or by using other sites to host the site’s code—such as in the code used by a website’s comments system, for example. Either way, those sites use that information to build up a profile of who you are and what you do on the web, and use that to show you advertising.

Yes. As in, each cookie is in a self contained jar where websites can’t read other cookies. Apple should implement it in safari.
 

Realityck

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Yes. As in, each cookie is in a self contained jar where websites can’t read other cookies. Apple should implement it in safari.
I don't think this is new, more like Firefox playing catch up


Firefox has started to roll out Total Cookie Protection, a browser feature that competes with Safari's privacy systems by restricting how cookies are used and cutting down cross-site tracking.


From March 2020
Apple on Tuesday released a major update to its Safari Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), the privacy feature that allows the company’s web browser to block cookies and prevent advertisers from snooping on your web habits. According to Apple’s John Wilander, the WebKit engineer behind the feature, Safari now blocks all third-party cookies. That means that, by default, no advertiser or website is able to follow you around the internet using the commonplace tracking technology.
It’s a significant milestone for web privacy, and it puts Apple’s browser officially two whole years ahead of Chrome, after Google said in January that it would start phasing out third-party cookies but not fully until some time in 2022.
 

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If Apple cares so much about privacy and not having their users be tracked, why aren’t they implementing individual cookie jars?
Would that be like a cookie dies then the window that created it dies (that red button in the upper left).
 

Aries79

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Would that be like a cookie dies then the window that created it dies (that red button in the upper left).

This is what already happen in private mode, but this is not what you want in standard mode: cookies are needed to remember a bunch of things to make a better experience when you visit a website again, for example remembering your preferred language or your preferred settings on that website.
 

Realityck

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This is what already happen in private mode, but this is not what you want in standard mode: cookies are needed to remember a bunch of things to make a better experience when you visit a website again, for example remembering your preferred language or your preferred settings on that website.
I think some web sites like to think they are servicing consumers by presenting that illusion, in actually they are data mining the consumer. I never forget one individual that was upset that his web cache was emptied to mitigate a browsing issue and he complained that all these sites he shopped at had to be signed into again. In todays world you have no idea how many companies are tracking you. Just open MacRumors after managing/clear web data in settings and see how many companies cookies/cache/data pop up just from this site as one example. You are being totally used in normal/standard mode. :eek:
 
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Strebor

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I hope the current safari in Ventura has a boatload of fixes. Cause the current version on Monterey is a complete disaster. Tabs... can't move em between safari windows. Results in duplicated greyed out tabs. Man... been like this for weeks and multiple people have reported this.
 

maneta

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"Log in" bug still here, after 4 versions now. I still can't log in into some websites. Does anyone has this issue ?
 

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If Apple cares so much about privacy and not having their users be tracked, why aren’t they implementing individual cookie jars?
Yes!YES! YES!...Something I've wanted for YEARS! Always hoping someone comes out with an app...Who whats to have to empty ALL cookies just because they can't be deciphered as to source!!!
 

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This is what already happen in private mode, but this is not what you want in standard mode: cookies are needed to remember a bunch of things to make a better experience when you visit a website again, for example remembering your preferred language or your preferred settings on that website.
Yes. Correct. BUT: the vast majority of cookies are garbage!
 

Bokito

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Brr, they enabled smooth keyboard scrolling in this release and aside from being undesirable and anti-productive it's broken too. Not sure why they want to iOSify macOS so much.
 

gank41

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I've really been hoping Apple would implement some kind of Safari Extension overflow menu like Firefox has done.

Here's Firefox, with the drop down menu for overflow:
Screenshot 2022-10-21 at 7.35.39 AM.png

And then here's Safari's mess:
Screenshot 2022-10-21 at 7.35.10 AM.png

Here's Safari's bigger mess when I've got just 4 tabs open:
Screenshot 2022-10-21 at 7.40.36 AM.png

It'd be great if we had the option to dump all those far right extensions into a drop down menu, too...
 

xushi

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Is anyone else having issues with build 156 on Ventura?

Since upgrading, many websites don't load properly (the .js files keep trying to load, even though they're accessible if you open them directly), many other websites don't load at all.

And Bitwarden plugin is broken... does not stay logged in after you authenticate.

Edit: the pages loading issue, turns out it's the "Hide IP address from trackers" option which was re-enabled somehow..

Bitwarden, submitted a bug report for that.
 
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