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Apple Releases Second OS X 10.11.4 El Capitan Beta to Public Beta Testers

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The article says update: fixed, but I still have the issue. I had to disable preloading, etc. Ideas?
 
chucker23n1 said:
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How about you quote me in full?

When I said "exactly" I didn't mean "by saying something that actually means nothing whatsoever but sounds smart". If you come with a statistic of 99.99% of users benefitting, please follow that real world examples where that happens, ideally with numbers confirming the 99.99% percentage. Thanks in advance!
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I missed a "with" before the bolded bit, my time to apologise.
 
Again, I did not come up with that statistic, and I don't really care. You think you need root. You think many do. More power to you.
 
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SlipperySlop said:
95% chance the problem is on your end. You corrupted something. Apple didn't. Mail is fine. Reinstall. Go to the genius bar.
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Reinstall, hahaha, I never did, it is not necessary, I will fix it myself by removing all mail accounts and then re-add them, but too little time now, oh and I am not going to drive more than 100 Km just to go to geniuses which will know less than me!
Last time I fiddled with mail, I changed the authentication from external to password, it worked, but just for that moment, a day later same again, and it seems it was set back automagically even though I unchecked the box not to set it automagically.
 
I've filed bug reports on various Macs, but I've noticed a lot of them are being ignored. I used to get requests for further documentation and such. No more. It appears Apple's recent announcement to not support certain Macs that were previously supported when Yosemite and El Capitan were first released are being ignored. If you've been filing bug reports on the newly unsupported Macs that are ALLEGEDLY SUPPORTED under El Capitan, don't bother. Since that Apple press release, they've started throwing bug reports for 2009 Mac Pro's in the trash like Publisher's Clearing House Winning submissions! You're wasting your time. Apple doesn't care. :(

For those wondering, I still have MAIL accounts that are corrupted, inaccessible. I have one that I can send/receive mail on but not view the account settings. It doesn't even show up? How could they be so dumb as to cause this bug?

The iPhone connect/Bluetooth Crash issue still persists. They asked me to test different cables. Doesn't make a difference. This one is really big since it requires a complete shutdown and sometimes a PRAM reset to fix.
No more responses from Apple on that one. :(

With 12GB of memory and only running 4 programs, I would think I wouldn't get spinning beachballs still huh? Haven't fixed that either. :(

Like I've said before, if Mavericks works fine for you and you don't need any of the new "features", stick with it.
 
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It looks like the fundamental Blue Tooth bug introduced in the last 10.11.4 beta is fixed. I can use my mouse again.

The USB problems seem worse. Our MM-1 speakers will stop working now every time a sound ends. It certainly looks like Apple is not going to address the issues with asynchronous USB attached devices any time soon.
 
navaira said:
How exactly? (Comparison with Yosemite would be handy.)
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I always found it odd that an operating system predominantly targeted at consumers would allow unrestricted root access. Access that could destroy an entire system with one single command, a command that could be executed by any program. Perhaps the times are not as bad on the Mac yet and maybe it is premature in El Capitan specifically, but future-proofing OS X for such attack vectors is not a bad idea in my opinion. I also love to see how some developers scrambled to fix their applications just so that it would continue to work without problems, so why not stick to Apple’s security guidelines to begin with?

So far the only reasonable complaints I heard were from people who like to used hacks like TotalFinder or XtraFinder or swap application icons. If you you are experienced enough, you will find the tool to turn SIP off and use OS X just like before. No big deal. I’d wager that the mentioned percentage of 99.9% is equal to the percentage of people who did not turn off SIP.
 
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justperry said:
Fix Mail not sending mail, some Apps need to be 100% guaranteed to work, sadly Apple thinks otherwise.
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Mail sends fine on my end, although with 10.11.0 I had to reconfigure my settings. More details may be helpful in getting that particular problem solved. A report on Apple's beta testing site is also likely to get your problem solved - I had several issues with 10.11.0 that Apple worked hard to iron out and did.
 
Paradoxally said:
There is zero reason to compromise on security for the sake of true root access. The majority of users will benefit from added security, as they do not need root. Those who do know how to do disable it anyway.
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Rootless AKA "system integrity protection" is a wonderful PR term to disguise what this is really all about. Apple is locking down and dumbing down OS X, making the walled garden even more walled.
 
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Buh... the VPN software I need to use for work "WatchGuard Mobile VPN" stopped working with 10.11.4 beta 1 and still does not work in this beta. I guess I also need to turn off the "system integrity protection". Could this be resolved by software vendor or is it about Apple approving the software now?
 
bladerunner2000 said:
It doesn't though. Did you or anyone else ever have any kind of detriment with the lack of SIP in all of the years prior?

All SIP has done is restrict choice/options to the consumer even more and effectively destroyed 3rd party developers like TotalFinder or XtraFinder.
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Isn't that what apple is all about?
 
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pat500000 said:
I totally hear you. The trend appears to be downward when it comes to quality/satisfaction of OSX.
IMO, apple can't beat SL osx ...it's all thanks to that feurgson guy..whatever his name is.
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This guy?

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navaira said:
When I said "exactly" I didn't mean "by saying something that actually means nothing whatsoever but sounds smart". If you come with a statistic of 99.99% of users benefitting, please follow that real world examples where that happens, ideally with numbers confirming the 99.99% percentage. Thanks in advance!
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SIP protects users who would blindly type admin password to allow their system to be root kitted. That means even if they type that sudo root password indiscriminately, SIP will protect those system files from being altered or overwritten. Or that's what is generally claimed. I think it's a good idea for the majority who don't do OS or kernel development.

In terms of TotalFinder and such hacks, those lead to OS instability through using undocumented interfaces so it reduces the barrier for support needs as it's more of a hassle to disable SIP than be bothered with some wacky app.
 
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My rMBP 13" would occasionally freeze in beta 1 requiring a force restart (by holding down the power button). Hopefully, this is resolved in beta 2.

Will report back
 
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My 4K Dell monitor stopped working in full resolution (for my 2014 MBP 15" DG) when I updated to the last beta but this new beta fixed the problem:)

One of my other external displays looked very strange (like mismatched frequency or something) after this beta, but power-cycling the monitor resolved the issue.
 
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Dwalls90 said:
I think it's weird that updates of iOS bring new features and improvements but OS X updates seem to always be chasing iOS features, or adding no new features at all.
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Mac OS is mature. iOS still isn't.

Features are nice though.
 
dogslobber said:
SIP protects users who would blindly type admin password to allow their system to be root kitted. That means even if they type that sudo root password indiscriminately, SIP will protect those system files from being altered or overwritten. Or that's what is generally claimed. I think it's a good idea for the majority who don't do OS or kernel development.
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Fair enough. That's a real world scenario. But how often has this happened to users pre-El Capitan? I don't recall hearing about it, um, ever.

dogslobber said:
In terms of TotalFinder and such hacks, those lead to OS instability through using undocumented interfaces so it reduces the barrier for support needs as it's more of a hassle to disable SIP than be bothered with some wacky app.
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Yes, I disabled SIP and XtraFinder still can't get my folders on top. And I would be more than happy to purchase Apple's "enable 3D Dock and coloured icons in Sidebar" app for €19.99 rather than use those hacks. My vision isn't 20/20 anymore and those coloured icons from XtraFinder seriously make it easier for me to use Finder. So did folders on top, until Apple made it impossible to use them.

Completely different topic which I would post separately but my posts will get merged anyway: 10.11.4 beta 2 borked my wifi. It used to work perfectly until today. I had three dropouts within one hour. Fix: switch wifi off, switch it back on. Same as Yosemite up to 10.10.4 and resolved between Yosemite 10.10.5 and 10.11.4 beta 1.

Make it four times as I had to restart wifi AGAIN to post this.
 
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