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Apple Releases Security Update 2004-09-07
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Wow
Wow, a security update, well that will give us all something to post about.
But seriously all those who question why so many security updates and whether our OS is full of holes, no not really, but it's not perfect. That doesn't mean Apple did a lousy job when they wrote the OS.
You gotta think of it a bit like warfare. First of all they made a tank, then someone made armour piercing shells, so they made the armour on the tank a bit thicker and so on.
Guess we are lucky in that Apple has a small share of the market and there arn't so many people making armour piercing shells to fire at our tanks.
I'm no M$ fan, but they do have a whole load of people attacking their OS and this is why M$ has such a problem with security. It ain't really a failing on the part of M$, but because of the market share they enjoy, you should expect to have to patch their stuff more often.
Wow, a security update, well that will give us all something to post about.
But seriously all those who question why so many security updates and whether our OS is full of holes, no not really, but it's not perfect. That doesn't mean Apple did a lousy job when they wrote the OS.
You gotta think of it a bit like warfare. First of all they made a tank, then someone made armour piercing shells, so they made the armour on the tank a bit thicker and so on.
Guess we are lucky in that Apple has a small share of the market and there arn't so many people making armour piercing shells to fire at our tanks.
I'm no M$ fan, but they do have a whole load of people attacking their OS and this is why M$ has such a problem with security. It ain't really a failing on the part of M$, but because of the market share they enjoy, you should expect to have to patch their stuff more often.
swissmann said:
I think what you're running into is what's called Negative Placebo Effect.
If you knew anything about the majority of the programs being patched, you would know that they aren't core components of MacOS. Furthermore if you notice how simple some of these fixes can be (literally one line of changed code in some cases) you're not going to notice anything different at all.
Come on people, what did you expect, your 1ghz iMac to run like a 2Ghz G5 after installing this update? waaaa "I don't notice a difference." Get Real.
And thank you Apple for staying on top of things.
/dale
Well there are a number of things going on here now.
Number one is that there are more organized attackes on the Internet know than ever before. Security is simple a bigger problem than it ever was.
The next thing you should notice is that much of the software beign updated is open source. This means that there are continous improvements being made even after a release. Many times problems are spotted and fixed before they are acknowledged to the community as a whole, to try to keep one up on the hackers and others out ot attack systems. In other words fix it before it gets exploited mentality.
Lastly you have to realize that OS/X is a huge leap forward with repsect to OS services than what Apple had before. There is simply more to exploit due to the features available.
Thanks
dave
Number one is that there are more organized attackes on the Internet know than ever before. Security is simple a bigger problem than it ever was.
The next thing you should notice is that much of the software beign updated is open source. This means that there are continous improvements being made even after a release. Many times problems are spotted and fixed before they are acknowledged to the community as a whole, to try to keep one up on the hackers and others out ot attack systems. In other words fix it before it gets exploited mentality.
Lastly you have to realize that OS/X is a huge leap forward with repsect to OS services than what Apple had before. There is simply more to exploit due to the features available.
Thanks
dave
fatbarstard said:It is me or does it seem that there are more security updates than ever from Apple??
A couple of years ago security updates were infrequently, but now it seems that they a coming every couple of months - does this indicate slippage in quality control???
Just wanted to kinow....why are there folks repairing permissions after every flipping update? I mean you'd hope Apple would have the permissions right when they did the update package right? Just seems to me I see more Mac users do alot of inane things.....just like Windows users do(always run this once a month whether it needs it or not.....). I have yet to find the need to run fsck once or twice a month! The file system should be smart enough to call it up on it's own and usually does if it's sufficiently dirty. HFS+ seems well behaved with that regard.
The file system should be smart enough to call it up on it's own and usually does if it's sufficiently dirty. HFS+ seems well behaved with that regard.
fatbarstard said:A couple of years ago security updates were infrequently, but now it seems that they a coming every couple of months - does this indicate slippage in quality control???
No, it indicates an increase in quality control.
It also indicates that OS 9 was mature (not all in good ways) while OS X is relatively new.
Then again, OS 9 did have a FEW viruses. OS X has none.
Safari Problems After Security Update?
Could anybody double check the following? I'm trying to access CompUSA's web page (http://www.compusa.com ) after applying the security update and I'm getting a blue page with no workable links
I've verified this error in both a PB G4 and one iMac G4.
Could anybody double check the following? I'm trying to access CompUSA's web page (http://www.compusa.com ) after applying the security update and I'm getting a blue page with no workable links
I've verified this error in both a PB G4 and one iMac G4.
R2D2 said:Could anybody double check the following? I'm trying to access CompUSA's web page (http://www.compusa.com ) after applying the security update and I'm getting a blue page with no workable links
I've verified this error in both a PB G4 and one iMac G4.
It loads up for me. I have a FP iMac (800mhz) and Jaguar
R2D2 said:Could anybody double check the following? I'm trying to access CompUSA's web page (http://www.compusa.com ) after applying the security update and I'm getting a blue page with no workable links
I've verified this error in both a PB G4 and one iMac G4.
I forgot to mention that both computers are running Panther... No third party applications running with Safari.
Thank you. Those links are fantastic.autrefois said:fsck: Info from Apple here (or try here)
prebindings: Look here and scroll down to the "Update the prebinding" section.
pray to god that your computer does not melt down: This site might help.
Thank you Musicpyrite too for your info.
wizard said:
Exactly, the majority of fixes for OS X so far haven't actually been for Apple-created code, and like you said they're fixed before they're exploited.
Safari has had quite a few, but then you'd expect it for an immature application who's sole premise is the internet...
AppleMatt
R2D2 said:Could anybody double check the following? I'm trying to access CompUSA's web page (http://www.compusa.com ) after applying the security update and I'm getting a blue page with no workable links
I've verified this error in both a PB G4 and one iMac G4.
I tried it, same here! I'm running Panther on a 2.0 G5 so it's not just you. You can sleep easy now!
I'm running panther on G4 Powerbook. I get the same thing as you - a blue page with no workable links. I hope someone here can help.R2D2 said:Could anybody double check the following? I'm trying to access CompUSA's web page (http://www.compusa.com ) after applying the security update and I'm getting a blue page with no workable links
I've verified this error in both a PB G4 and one iMac G4.
Improvements to open source products are essentially continuous. Apple has to decide how often to issue these improvements. Security improvements are generally more important than other improvements, but the question remains.
It's a tradeoff. Daily updates would be most secure but way too annoying. Semi-annual updates would be very convenient but leave security holes far too long.
By bundling updates for a few products together, and issuing Security Updates such as this one though Software Update every month or two, Apple has made their choice about frequency and made it as convenient as possible. I think their timing is about right.
It's a tradeoff. Daily updates would be most secure but way too annoying. Semi-annual updates would be very convenient but leave security holes far too long.
By bundling updates for a few products together, and issuing Security Updates such as this one though Software Update every month or two, Apple has made their choice about frequency and made it as convenient as possible. I think their timing is about right.
R2D2 said:Could anybody double check the following? I'm trying to access CompUSA's web page (http://www.compusa.com ) after applying the security update and I'm getting a blue page with no workable links
I've verified this error in both a PB G4 and one iMac G4.
I see the same thing. However, you can scroll to the bottom and get the regular page. This is definitely due to the update.
SiliconAddict said:And that's your fault for using Internet Imploder.
No one who is interested in a secure environment takes Internet Exploder seriously. That was your first mistake. Second. Do you have a firewall? No? Second mistake. Third. Windows Update? Never did it? Game over man! Game over!!
This is one of the most asinine posts I have ever seen.
The idea that Bill Gates has managed to foist on the world that they should accept their computers working as poorly as the do is just absurd.
It should not be up to the user to have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get their computer to work like it is intended to.
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All I have to say is:
Yeah new software even if it is an update. :-D
can you tell I have been having a boring day.
Yeah new software even if it is an update. :-D
can you tell I have been having a boring day.
fatbarstard said:It is me or does it seem that there are more security updates than ever from Apple??
A couple of years ago security updates were infrequently, but now it seems that they a coming every couple of months - does this indicate slippage in quality control???
Nope. It's a reflection of how many eyes are out there looking over the code for the open source compenents of the system: note how many of them are the targets of these security fixes (SSH, Apache, etc.) Finding and fixing bugs isn't a sign of poor Q&A - not finding and fixing them, and getting caught with your pants down by an exploit in the wild is. Don't worry too much until you start hearing about viruses that take down a lot of machines - but DO install the security updates; if you don't, you're wasting a lot of people's time and energy, and just setting yourself up for a fall, because NO OS is flawless.