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1. No BD - i am prosumer and would like to be able to create content in BD for viewing on my HDTV and to backup data

There are external options for BD burning. If you had said consumer, I'd left you alone, but a PRO or prosumer (who think there needs to be a distinction between professional and consumer in terms of hardware) should be looking elsewhere for BD creation, and there are many option, including slimline burners that work inside the MBP. Couple that with Toast for the consumer and/or Encore DVD for the professional and you have your setup.

There's no reason to be waiting for Apple on this now.

2. No USB 3.0 - i don't see why this should have to be in another update and why there is only 2 USB ports on a "pro" machine

I agree 100%, but there is that express card 34 slot. It's only on the 17" but Apple wants to push high end users toward the 17" MBP. If the need were that serious, one would have a 17" MBP with express card slot and USB3 adaptor.

Also, just because Apple sticks PRO at the end of the machine doesn't mean it's high end. Apple's laptop lineup has been middle of the road ever since the switch to Intel.

3. no QuadCore iX options - maybe not standard, but i would willing sacrifice some battery life for better processors

Again I agree 100%, but i think we can expect Apple to continually be one step behind the PC market on top end hardware.

4. Video card - i don't see why apple isn't offering 1GB cards in their "pro" machines.

See previous two comments

I might still pick one up because i would like to have both OS's and software available to me, but i might just go with sony or HP.

This isn't a flame or anything, especially since I'd love to have USB 3.0 eSATA, quad core 16GB RAM . . . . Dell Covet in an Apple Macbook Pro 17" etc. but we have to remember that this is Apple.

These simple speed bumps have been the standard for four years now.
 
Has anyone had his/her order shipped yet? I ordered mine yesterday 8AM and status wasn't updated yet.
 
Don't you guys realize putting a quad core in a MBP would give us the same issues the Envy 15 has? Too much heat and horrible battery life.
 
Are you dumber than Steve Jobs or just pretending? Do you have any idea how much marketing Apple has been doing from day one to video and audio for video content creators and providers? Do you have any idea how much of an investment those content creators and providers have invested in Apple over the years and are now going elsewhere by the hundreds of thousands, WITH their hundreds of thousands? I have a $15,000/YEAR computer budget that has sat for three years while Jobs does his Willie Wonka trip with iCrap I don't need, don't want, and will never ever buy.

Major motion pictures and a lot of TV HAD been edited on Mac Pros in the past, on some iMacs, and on Macbook Pros, but no longer. Those people needed Blu-ray delivery three years ago, and an OS that could handle it and REALLY be cutting edge. Not just fake it.

Try thinking outside of your uncreative little box. And get up off your knees, the Jobs shrine thing is getting old.

:apple:

Sounds like these aren't for you.
 
Don't you guys realize putting a quad core in a MBP would give us the same issues the Envy 15 has? Too much heat and horrible battery life.

True, but some are willing to make the sacrifice. Besides, it's been a while since we've had cool machines sitting on our laps ourselves.

Agreed. "Magical and revolutionary" have moved on to new markets.

Right, and if you want the Mac experience you'll just have to find ways around the limitations.
 
Why do you bother to repeat all this Apple PR nonsense?

Compare these two similarly configured computers:

MBP 15"
2.4GHz Intel Core i5
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display (1440-by-900-pixel)

Price: $1,949.00

HP Envy 15.

• Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-520M Dual Core processor (2.40GHz, 3MB L2 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.93GHz
4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5830 Graphics - For i5 and i7-620M Processors
• 15.6" diagonal Full High Definition LED HP Anti-glare Widescreen Display (1920x1080)
6 Cell Lithium Ion Polymer Battery (standard)

Price: $1,524.99

SO, you get much better computer for much less. HP's battery life is not near the MBP but this must be expected given the choice of graphics card. On the other hand you can buy extra battery: either the regular one ($75) or 9 Cell HP Envy Slim Fit Extended-Life Notebook Battery - $125

As far as service is concerned, HP offers better options than Apple. For example:

2-year HP Care Pack House Call Service for HP HDX, HP TouchSmart, or HP ENVY Laptop PC. Up to two years of added convenience with in-home repair - $200

And as far as the quality is concerned, HP Envy offers this:

Magnesium alloy casing with HP Metal Etching technology
14.96" (W) x 9.60" (D) x 1.04" (H) (vs 14.35x9.82x0.95 for MBP - essentially same size)
5.17 lbs (vs 5.6 for MBP - HP Envy is lighter)

the at home service is after the online diagnostic software says there is a problem. read the small print. the upgrade to 3 years is a lot more.

It's $2063 for the i7 Envy with a 15" screen. and that doesn't include Windows 7 Ultimate so you will still have to buy a photo editing, dvd authoring and movie creation programs. So the lack of a 1GB graphics card evens out

i would prefer the graphics card, but with this much money at stake i would never buy an HP laptop after my experience. and with my education discount it's $2436 for the MBP including Applecare and Tax, compared to $2682 for the HP Envy including tax and the 3 year worthless HP warranty

Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit edit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-720QM Quad Core processor (1.6GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.8 GHz edit
Memory 4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm) edit
Hard drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection edit
Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5830 Graphics - For i7 Processors edit
Display 15.6" diagonal High Definition LED HP Brightview Widescreen Display (1366x768) edit
External optical drive External Tray Super Multi 8X DVD+/-R/RW w/Double Layer Support with 2 USB Ports edit
Personalization Webcam Only edit
Networking Intel Wireless-N Card with Bluetooth edit
Included Software Bundle HP QuickWeb, Corel VideoStudio Pro X2, Corel Paintshop Pro X2, Stardock My Colors edit
Keyboard HP Color Matching Keyboard edit
Primary battery One 6 Cell Lithium Ion Polymer Battery + One 9 Cell HP Envy Slim Fit Extended-Life Notebook Battery edit
OS and recovery media System Recovery DVD with Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit edit
Productivity software No Productivity Software
 
It's $2063 for the i7 Envy with a 15" screen. and that doesn't include Windows 7 Ultimate so you will still have to buy a photo editing, dvd authoring and movie creation programs.
Home Premium includes this software. I've edited and authored DVDs from my DVR recordings.
 
Macbook Pro availability

Does anyone here know how long it will take, for the new Macbook Pros to be available in stores around the globe?
 
Home Premium includes this software. I've edited and authored DVDs from my DVR recordings.

new price is $2552 for the Envy. i'll still take the MBP though. 1GB graphics is useless if the laptop breaks and HP tells you it was your fault even though there is no damage to it.

HP server and other corporate support is very good. the consumer support i would never trust again
 
student discount

will mail from my college with my name and address on it allow me to get a student discount when i go to the apple store in person? i don't have a picture ID from school. so i dunno what other things i can do to prove im a student?
 
new price is $2552 for the Envy. i'll still take the MBP though. 1GB graphics is useless if the laptop breaks and HP tells you it was your fault even though there is no damage to it.

HP server and other corporate support is very good. the consumer support i would never trust again
I don't have an opinion on HP's support. They were very prompt in responding to a software issue I had 6 years ago. I haven't dealt with them involving hardware. Don't the have accidental coverage as well?
 
Agreed. "Magical and revolutionary" have moved on to new markets.

As much as I love all of their products, Apple has a flair for the dramatic. They made a big deal out of this iPod Big, when it is an iPod touch with better graphical interface. I would love to have one, but with an iPhone and a MBP, there is no dire need (for me). These updates, not exactly exciting, is not a fault on Apple's part. Prior to the MBP Unibody, the MBP looked the same and had relatively identical features for a very long time, just some of the guts would get improvements. Nothing groundbreaking. Same here, nothing groundbreaking (yes, matter of opinion). No one should blame Apple if they find these updates lame, Apple never called these improvements "magical". A little ostentatious if they had. Although I think they went overboard with what they believe the iPad to be and what it is in reality. This MBP Unibody has been out only a year and a half. I expected them to keep this form/feature factor the same at least for another year. With all the iPad and iPhone advancements expected, I don't see how they could keep this line looking and acting the same but for Video Card/Processor/Hard Drive enhancements over a year.

To those that are upset with the pricing...what did you expect? We got a price drop because the of the economic downturn in 2008-2009. Now we are recovering. Now you pay the Apple tax. I gladly pay it. My MBP's over the years have always been pretty. Maybe Apple charges a lot for what you would pay a lot less for in a Windows PC or laptop, but you don't get the biggest piece: the OS. I have never been more productive than on Mac, and I am not a Windows hater, either. I don't do graphic design or photography as my bread and butter. I switched my law offices over four years ago and couldn't be happier.:D
 
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With blu-ray already being adopted at twice the rate DVD was for the same time period a year ago, that means that blu-ray is outpacing DVD adoption (when compared to the same point in either products life) even faster now.


Don't forget that the Dell has an RGBLED backlit display and the MBP is only edge-lit ;) HUGE difference.

Is it a huge difference? I have not seen the Dells. I know that Dell's lcds gets lots of positive responses, even from people here.

I know my neighbor has been ribbing me that his dell is far superior.

I just think this update was a let down - a huge let down. We are still behind.

Apple has a huge cash reserve, can't they spin off their iPad/iPhone division and concentrate on their other hardware and software?
 
new price is $2552 for the Envy. i'll still take the MBP though. 1GB graphics is useless if the laptop breaks and HP tells you it was your fault even though there is no damage to it.

HP server and other corporate support is very good. the consumer support i would never trust again


lol anyone that pays that much for an Envy is a dumbass.

I'm loving my i5 Envy and I'm glad I didn't wait it out for this piss poor release after so many people on this forum were waiting for how long for something at least decent.
 
Also, just because Apple sticks PRO at the end of the machine doesn't mean it's high end. Apple's laptop lineup has been middle of the road ever since the switch to Intel.
The CPU used to be high-end relative to Intel's mobile CPU lineup in 2006 and much of 2007, then Intel added higher-end and hotter CPUs but Apple didn't follow suit.

Again I agree 100%, but i think we can expect Apple to continually be one step behind the PC market on top end hardware.
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These simple speed bumps have been the standard for four years now.
That will probably continue for at least the next update, at least for the CPU. We may see quad-core in 2012.
 
OK, seriously, what are you waiting for then? Haven't you already placed your order for the fabulous 6.5 pound Toshiba with a quad core i7 and a 1366x768 15.6" res screen and a ~2 hour battery life?

He is waiting for you to buy it. The "helpful link" that mosx posted to Newegg was a Commission Junction affiliate link so he gets a % of every purchase made at Newegg that someone makes from this site, for probably up to a month.
 
after reading through these forums it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people complaining about these updates. however i do understand why this is happening and I think this information should be made a sticky (though in a more easier to understand post)

1. the reason why the 13" still has Core 2 Duo technology?

Nvidia and Intel had a chipset dispute basically saying that Nvidia can no longer make any integrated graphics chips for processors using the QuickPath Interconnect.. in other words Core i3, i5, i7 mobile processors.

previous gen 13" MacbookPro has the Core2Duo and Nvidia 9400m integrated graphics which is a great combination of graphics, performance, and battery life up to 8hrs. However.. think about this... if apple were to integrate the Core i3/i5 in the new 13" MBP they can no longer use any Nvidia integrated graphics chip and would have to use a dedicated one instead.

dedicated ones increase the cost and lower the battery life. two things they dont want.. Apple does not like backing down on their word.. in other words if they gave you 8hrs battery life last gen they will not give you 6 or 7 next..

on a performance/power consumption perspective NVIDIA beats AMD in this mobile sector. so Nvidia is the choice for Laptops

on the processor front: Core i3/i5 vs Core 2 duo may give only 10-20% performance increase in limited scenarios.. users might not even see get to see the effects of this

on the gpu front: a custom designed Nvidia 320M is up to 50% faster than the 9400m, not only that but it saves power and Snow leopard can take advantage of it..

what decision do you make when you put all these together factoring costs and performance?

50% GPU performance increase is better then 10-20% CPU performance increase which might not even be noticeable.

so Apple upgrades the GPU, keeps the old CPU, and gets even battery life..
which in my opinion was an excellent move! and in reality is not their fault.. blame the Nvidia vs Intel Quickpath Interconnect Dispute that is still going on.

2. Why has apple not gone quadcore?

Well actually my opinion is a bit split on this one. I believe apple should have at least gave users a build-to-order (BTO) option on the 17" for this one and I believe they will do it soon maybe by the next refresh or in less than 6 months.

Aside from the 17" why no quad core? Simple.. For those wishing for the Uber machine with QuadCore i7, 8GB DDR3 and 1TB SSD. Have you considered what kind of battery life you get with these systems, let alone power dissipation? Obviously not.. Take one of your similarly specced HP systems and how much battery life do you get 2-4 hrs max. After Apples laptops now give users 8-10hrs battery life do you expect them to give users systems with 50% of the battery life they are giving now..?? nope.. not going to happen.

I understand people want desktop replacements, but truth is if you want a desktop replacement... go with the iMac or MacPro. those are way better at really processor / graphics intensive tasks.. if you hate Apple which everyone is entitled to their own opinion then don't get Apple.. very simple

in the Computer / Tech world we all wish of systems that can magically handle everything we throw on it but unfortunately thats not the way it goes.

Sacrifices always have to be made, its just your choice to find exactly what you need and select the best tool (laptop/desktop) that best fits your needs.

I used Windows for almost 12 yrs before i started using mac and i agree Windows can do certain things Mac can't ~ there are special Windows programs some of us need that aren't on the Mac. But heres what I realized overall:

Apple Computer Systems can run Mac OS X (which i like a lot) AND Windows..
not the other way around... i tried creating a hackintosh.. not the same thing..

3. Finally.. for those Salivating at the Sony Vaio Z.. I definitely agree that is a reallllllly niiiice laptop.. super powerful for the weight and specs.

However I'll tell you from my experience after I bought it last year and decided to return it.

Here are the reasons against it for me:

1.) I had an audio issue from the headphone jack where I would be getting noise coming out of it when playing music and connected to power. Called Sony and they had no fix for it. This was really bad for me because I had it plugged in to my Home Theater and I listen to music a lot so really bad... Macbooks dont have this issue. Its possible the new Z's don't have this issue.

2.) It just runs Windows.. I like Mac OS X too much for it not to be on my laptop and the Sony Z only runs Windows. Macbooks on the other hand run OS X and Windows beautifully.. the killer feature for me..

What does this all conclude for me? In my opinion, overall, the Macbook Pro is the ultimate laptop to have. If you don't have enough money, get whatever suits your needs but if possible this is the machine to get from the overall perspective..

Case in reference: I converted two people to macbooks, both with very little knowledge of computers and since then they have never looked back..

Hope that clarifies things for some people..
 
Sure you gain horizontal space, but you lose vertical space except for 1600x900 from 1400x900. And listen, a lot of people do real work on their computers that requires hight. I have a 13" MBP, with a hight of 800 pixels. That's barely enough, I wish I had a 15" screen. Reducing that to 768 would not be a good thing, let me assure you.

Look, this argument just doesn't hold water at all. I work with text, coding, etc. all the time. And the argument for a few extra vertical lines of resolution just doesn't work when a WIDER display allows you to have more open at a time.

The more windows I can have displayed side by side is a lot better than being able to pull a window down a little bit more. 16x10 is just an inefficient waste of space.

Because most people use their computers for things more useful than watching movies

Yeah. And the funny thing is that since screens went 16x9, computer sales are UP. People want proper widescreen.

And besides, a lot of movies have an ever wider ratio. Even with 16x9 you'll see black bars.

Thats true. However, on a 16x10 screen, like the MacBook screen, the image of a 2/35:1 film is as small as it is on a 4x3 TV. Not the case with a proper 16x9 screen.

Look at the iMacs. The 24" iMac had a 1920x1200 resolution, now the 21.5 has a 1920x1080 resolution. You just lost pixels. The 27" iMac has a 2560x1440 resolution, and the 30" Cinema display has a 2560x1600 display.

And guess what? The iMacs are selling better than ever now. Apparently Apple made the right move.

I hate that the new iMacs are 16x9, and hope that their notebooks don't go that route

Well, you're in a very very small minority. The rest of the industry has moved to 16x9. They did it virtually overnight. Sales are up. Apple did it on the iMac and sales are up. The only two places you really can't find 16x9 now are on Apple notebooks and Apple "Cinema" displays. But its only a matter of time with them.

I'm sure Apple already has working prototypes.

But notebooks have lower resolutions, I don't want to lose vertical space for horizontal space, even if it does give you more pixels in some case. And I'm sure most people who actually work on their computers instead of d**cking around agree with me.

Again, your argument just doesn't work. I've lost NOTHING in "work" (if working on a computer can even be called "work") by going 16x9 and gained everything when it comes to entertainment. You don't know how many times I've had to explain to people why their widescreen movies look so small on 16x10 displays and how those very same people jump at the opportunity to replace their system with a 16x9 display. And yes these are people who "work" on their computers.

Just like me. 16x10 should have never been introduced to begin with.

As part of a speaking tour at universities across the United States, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates sat down with Princeton's newspaper to discuss the road ahead. When asked why Microsoft chose to support HD DVD over Sony's Blu-ray format, Gates replied that Blu-ray's copyright protection scheme is "anti-consumer."

Which is ironic because HD DVD used the same copy protection as blu-ray disc. HDCP, AACS. BD+ wasn't even around at that time and its something that doesn't affect anyone.

Or... Welcome to Windows 7 Forums:
"The HDCP system is easy to understand and it is annoying." . . . <<snip>> . . . the player, and every other device in the signal transmission train (videocard, monitor, etc) must be HDCP compliant."

Which is exactly the same for iTunes HD downloads. So its okay for Apple to enforce the same type of HDCP requirements for HD video but its not okay for blu-ray to do it?

Frankly, a little less troll-speak and a little more candor would be helpful here.

You need to take your own advice and not cherry pick replies.

It's funny how you call me a troll and ignore the fact that Apple enforces the same HDCP requirements for their "high definition" content. http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/17/apple-itunes-multimedia-throwing-hdcp-flags-on-new-macbook-mac/ http://gizmodo.com/5177075/itunes-hd-movies-wont-play-on-older-non+hdcp-monitors

You know what you need for HDCP compliance? A modern videocard with a chipset manufacturered provided driver (also known as a driver directly from nvidia or AMD), a non-Apple manufactured display from within the last 4 years, and an HDMI or DVI cable. Thats it. Scary stuff, huh?

Is it a huge difference? I have not seen the Dells. I know that Dell's lcds gets lots of positive responses, even from people here.

Well, Dell's RGBLED displays are some of the few that can claim true 100% color reproduction.

With Apple's edge-lit LED LCD displays, they're just giving you a thinner display that uses less power. RGBLED actually has hundreds of LEDs behind the LCD panel that can change color along with the picture being displayed on the LCD. Obviously that enhances the color quality dramatically. But none of Apple's displays use this technology. They're all edge-lit.

He is waiting for you to buy it. The "helpful link" that mosx posted to Newegg was a Commission Junction affiliate link so he gets a % of every purchase made at Newegg that someone makes from this site, for probably up to a month.

rofl I did no such thing. All of the links I have posted are DIRECT to newegg. I don't get squat out of anything.
 
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