Out of curiosity, what kind of work are you doing? I do a lot of creative design in Adobe and Fusion 360. I suppose I could go get a free demo but I haven’t yet. I do know over the ear headsets bother the hell out of me after about 15 mins and doubt this would be any different.
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Not saying you're wrong, but that room was definitely planned before they knew whether AVP would be a success.
I hope so. I'm excited for this product to reach its "iPhone 4" phase where I will finally get one.
Thing is the post you're replying to has a point. If they had really good Siri first, that would be excellent for a device that has a very poor keyboard. A truly excellent voice powered assistant, plus more flexible software and expanded Mac integration, would make a device that costs about ½ what the Vision Pro does an instant buy for me.
Let's just hope they still have the focus to get us there before Google does and turns it all into yet another billboard.
Majority of my work involves presentations, strategy papers and some graphic work/programming.
The AVP does not have any over-ear headphones - and it is quite private if you are not close to someone -otherwise, AirPods.
It would be great for fusion or Adobe I am sure, it has screens that are Adobe RGB etc. color accurate.
Thanks. As far as the headphone question is concerned. I was using them as reference. Is the AVP comfortable for hours at a time?
IMHO yes. The eyes get hardly any strain since the screen is so sharp and has a very high refresh rate etc.
I added the Annapro V2 to my setup to lift the pressure of my face cheekbone but that really comes down to what kind of nose/face you have too and I used it for hours (3-4) without any issue.
I suspect they are spending significant time and money on both. Throwing more engineers at a problem doesn’t necessarily solve it.
In 2008 the first MacBook Air with SSD was $2800. Today that's equivalent to over $4K.
My guess is if they could go back in time, they might first stop the Apple car project to save $10B and not much to show for it. This is a fun game.
The longest I have worn my AVP is 8 hours...some people seem okay with it, some people (who have tried it) say it's uncomfortable from the start. Your mileage will vary. For me it's a matter of focus (no pun intended), if I focus on how it feels, sure, I don't normally wear a headset so it feels strange. But if I focus on what I am doing, I quickly forget that it feels strange. Never do I sweat with it. I do sweat with some over the ear headphones and that does bother me. But heck, sometimes AirPods in my ear bother me after a half hour. Shrugs.
I might be able to affirm what 'G5isAlive' points out about YMMV, and whether you're focused on the sensations of the AVP where it contacts your face and head, or if you're more focused on what you're doing with the AVP instead. Though I don't have and haven't tried an AVP, I have a Quest 3, and from some comments I've read elsewhere, one of the points of discomfort for both can be the part that goes by various names--face gasket, facial interface, light block, etc. It presses against the face, sometimes pretty tightly depending on head band adjustment, etc. In both the AVP and the Quest 3, it's covered with a woven cloth material, which over the course of longer wearing sessions can start to feel like fine sandpaper against some people's faces (like mine). Some companies make replacement face gaskets (some even custom models made for your face) with smoother coverings like pleather, or no covering at all, with just the body of the gasket's rubbery silicone contacting your face, and many people find these to be a lot more comfortable.
I found that with my Quest 3, before I removed the face gasket altogether, sometimes the degree of discomfort from it was the same as at other times, but I didn't notice it as much every time depending on how much I was concentrating on whatever game or video I was watching. Maybe this was partly because the more I concentrated, the more I allowed my face to go numb. I didn't like this variability, so I bought a replacement halo-style head band which allows the Quest to hang in front of my face without needing gasket support. I've read there are third-party halo-style head bands for the AVP that let you do the same, but maybe before trying one, a more comfortable face gasket might be the first thing to try, since otherwise you lose the light seal and ambient light gets past the headset, though in many cases I found this to be OK. But again, YMMV.
If only that wasn’t an anomaly. How long did it take you to come up with that one? I remember Apple selling Mac Mini’s that hadn’t seen an update of any kind in what, 8 years for the same price the whole way.
If Apple is serious about AVP being the future of computing, it can’t continue to start at a price higher than the average American’s monthly take home pay. I will be shocked if the next version of the AVP’s price doesn’t go down, maybe even significantly so.
It’s literally the first ever device of its kind that Apple has made and the component costs were estimated at being over $1500 - the internal screens and lenses were over $500 by themselves. As the technology to make postage stamp screens with over 23 million pixels becomes more mainstream the component costs will tumble.
I’d say actually the first MacBook Air is a pretty good comparison - entirely new product that required major R&D and miniaturization, came out at a price that was laughably high (seriously, go back and read the threads when it was announced, many posters on MacRumors thought it was doomed to fail because the price was so high for what you got).
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I've long used this example for the Vision Pro because it stands out to me as perfectly relevant, as the MacBook Air was an introductory product designed to appeal to a mass market, but initially priced out of that range and limited in capability due to technological limitations. But over time the price came down and the technology/manufacturing processes improved (in the Vision Pro's case the primary limitation besides price is its size and weight imo), and it became eventually extraordinarily popular.
But I also use the Apple Watch as an example for comparison because for years after its release many were convinced that it was a flop, and then it became the top selling and most profitable watch brand in the world by far.
I was a buyer of that MacBook Air, platter drive version. And I loved it. It was a phenomenal machine and the only of its kind in that form factor. The saving grace was the option of non SSD for FAR less. If Apple was serious like you said, they’d have offered a cheaper version AVP with LCD screens, no front OLED and injection molded parts instead of billet and polished formed glass. The experience would have been essentially the same. They should have given people the option like that MacBook Air. Great comp by the way.
I have an Apple Watch that I wear everyday that I don’t need at all whatsoever. It’s almost completely useless yet I don’t leave home without it. Ironically the most useful it’s ever been was when it called 911 last month when I was in an accident.
The original Macintosh was (in today's dollars) more than twice as expensive as the Apple Vision Pro. It was clearly a niche product, as who in their right mind would spend over $7000 on a desktop computer?!
Was it the future of computing? Of course not. No single device can claim to be the future. It played a notable role in creating a future of computing. And of course the Macintosh was preceded by the Lisa computer and the Xerox GUI that "inspired" them. The Macintosh brought the concept of a GUI to the masses, even though only the elites or the dedicated could actually own one at first.
AVP itself isn't the future of computing, but spatial computing is an important part of future computers, since spatial computers will be walking or rolling among us, in the form of autonomous robots and self-driving vehicles.
Only for some. Many that are more sensitive to certain types of stimulation may not even be able to wear them for a few minutes, much less many hours. There are companies that are coming out with different types of headgear apparatus to alleviate that, but the discomfort will always be there for those folks.
Fortunately, I’m able to use just the solo strap and I’ve fallen asleep with it on.
I have no idea what Apple had to show for it. I think they were somewhat far along having purchased an auto proving ground test track in Arizona from Chrysler in 2021 for testing their EV.
The real killer was likely the US 100% import tariff on EVs manufactured in China announced in early 2023 and put into effect late September 2023. IIRC, Apple stopped their car project soon after the tariff was announced.
Exactly. Take what an Apple Car would have cost (I'm assuming $50-$60k minimum) then double it. That would completely destroy the ROI calculations for any product, let alone one that was already reportedly encountering significant delays and other development issues.
I have not been bothered by bugs with AVP, but maybe I just don't notice them too much. One exception is sometimes when I quit out of Max and I go back to re-launch it. I hear audio but I lose the video so then I have to force or restart for the Max app. That's just kind of weird. I wish Apple would invest more with its partners like Disney Max to make their apps work even better. It was kind of fun to watch movies on Max in the throne room, but I like more immersive scenes. Also, I don't know why Apple doesn't really tie in better with netflix. It seems like it would be a natural good fit.
I’d buy one if it was more affordable. The whiners will quieten down when this level of tech is financially within reach of a few more everyday people, and if it’s a dodo product category why have Samsung (in cahoots with Google) just released what is essentially a clone… Hmmm
The only problem with this comparison is that the MBA, while stretching the bounds on dimensions and weight, was still a laptop (something widely needed and desired)
It's a little different deal with HMD/VR/AR stuff right now
The MBA was just a much sexier version of an existing use case and need
often when I make a movie full screen in an environment it acts like it did it but it did not and I have to close it and try again. also the hand gesture menu doesn't work about 20% of the time. sometimes I can't change environments for a movie without closing everything out. AirPod pros are frequently difficult to connect if I take them out and pop them back in while watching something.