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Apple Releasing macOS Big Sur on November 12

I didn't watch the stream and not sure if they mentioned it but are x86/x64 apps still compatible with Big Sur and can you still install apps from outside the app store?

and the reverse if you use an Intel based Mac with Big Sur can you use the Arm optimized apps (I am assuming the native apps are Arm optimized)?

Is there a virtualization layer like Rosetta.

Also I guess Bootcamp to run Windows is now out.
 
mcfrazieriv said:
The hardware looks EXACTLY the same as it has for YEARS. What on EARTH is going on in the industrial design department?
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What changes do you want/need to see? Seeing this kind of comment without saying what changes they want is a pet peeve of mine. But then again, I'm a "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" kind of guy. For me, the basic design is fine for me. I'd just like to see better cameras with FaceID, a battery level indicator, not too much.
 
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Silverstring said:
You put the chips in ASAP to existing designs to kickstart the transition.

There’s also the minor side benefit of “easing” a big change into comfortable, familiar hardware to reassure buyers who might not want too much change all at once.

(I also wonder if there’s less supply chain waste/learning curve by using very similar outer shells?)

THEN, you design whole new systems from the ground up around the chip as a step 2.

It’s exactly what they did putting the first intel chips into the existing iMac bodies.

I want new designs as much as anyone as a consumer, but this makes business sense, and I’d do the same thing if I was CEO.
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Oh come on, so the design department just sits there twiddling it's thumbs waiting for it's turn? Where's the courage!?
 
guzhogi said:
What changes do you want/need to see? Seeing this kind of comment without saying what changes they want is a pet peeve of mine. But then again, I'm a "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" kind of guy. For me, the basic design is fine for me. I'd just like to see better cameras with FaceID, a battery level indicator, not too much.
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14" and less bezels for starters.
 
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thejadedmonkey said:
The idea is that you can't tell if a mac is Intel or ARM. They don't want anyone to be able to tell the difference. You have a mac that looks like X and it will run Y, no matter what's inside of it. That's the point. And Apple usually delivers on it.

Give it a year or two and I bet that you'll see a new design. Depending on lead times, you might even see one for the iMac or Macbook Pro PowerBook (since it's a RISC chip again!).
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Agreed. Besides, the MBA and MBP form factors they're using were unveiled within the past year or two. Why reinvent the wheel as far as the display, keyboard and the rest of the externals?
 
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sideshowuniqueuser said:
Oh come on, so the design department just sits there twiddling it's thumbs waiting for it's turn? Where's the courage!?
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Who says they aren't designing something entirely new? The first round of Apple Silicon machines is just that: the first round so that developers and early adopters can start working with the platform.

Apple's had it's share of hardware fails (*cough* butterfly keyboard), and I for one would just as soon 1) buy an Apple Silicon machine with a proven form-factor that has been in production and widespread use for a year or two already; and 2) let the industrial designers have the time to do their job right instead of rushing out a new design just so it can "look new".

14" and less bezels for starters.
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Oh no! There is metal around the display! Someone shield my eyes from the horror!
 
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Silverstring said:
You put the chips in ASAP to existing designs to kickstart the transition.

There’s also the minor side benefit of “easing” a big change into comfortable, familiar hardware to reassure buyers who might not want too much change all at once.

(I also wonder if there’s less supply chain waste/learning curve by using very similar outer shells?)

THEN, you design whole new systems from the ground up around the chip as a step 2.

It’s exactly what they did putting the first intel chips into the existing iMac bodies.

I want new designs as much as anyone as a consumer, but this makes business sense, and I’d do the same thing if I was CEO.
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Also, all 3 Mac's that were updated today were the only Mac's that weren't available with a discreet GPU, so it made sense to start there. That said, losing half the I/O in the MBP and MM is a big tradeoff for improved graphics performance.

This round of updates reminds me of the late-2008 unibody MBP's that were lame ducks (13" was missing ports), and then swiftly updated 6 months later with the mid-2009 machines (restoring missing ports). "These are not the droids you're looking for." These are the decoys.
 
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Victor Mortimer said:
And if Y is a virtualized x64 or x86-based OS? That's not going to work well.

I wish they'd used a new design so that I could immediately tell a client "RETURN THAT NOW, YOU NEED TO BUY A MAC THAT WILL WORK!!!!!" from a quick glance.

Even just painting them safety orange would have been nice, just as a "DANGER, KEEP AWAY FROM THIS GARBAGE" warning.
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This makes no sense. None of the Macs are garbage.
 
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MacRumors said:


Apple today announced that macOS Big Sur will be released on Thursday, November 12. The news came out of Apple's "One More Thing" event, where it revealed new Mac mini, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro models with the M1 chip.

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macOS Big Sur was previously revealed at WWDC in June, and will feature an overhauled look with what Apple is calling the biggest design update to macOS since the introduction of Mac OS X. This includes overhauling the curvature of window corners and dock icon designs.

While subtle, the changes should have a fresh feel in comparison to the current macOS. Other changes include lighter windows with additional translucency, a more translucent dock, app icons with a new uniform squircle shape, redone system sounds, and more.

There's a refreshed menu bar with access to a customizable Control Center that includes Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and AirDrop controls, keyboard brightness, Do Not Disturb, Dark Mode, sound level, and more. Likewise, Notification Center is redesigned with more interactive notifications grouped by app and iOS-style widgets with customizations in three different sizes.

Many of the first-party Apple apps have seen improvements and overhauls as well. Safari is faster and more battery efficient; Messages now support effects, @mentions, inline replies, and more; Maps supports Look Around, indoor maps, and Guides; Photos has expanded editing features; and Apple Music includes a new Listen Now section.

There are many more additions coming to macOS Big Sur on November 12, so be sure to read our full roundup if you're interested. For more coverage on today's event, check out our posts on the new Mac mini, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro.

Article Link: Apple Releasing macOS Big Sur on November 12
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When it says "released November 12th" is that California time? What about other places in the world that are a day ahead? 13th?
 
bluecoast said:
I know it would be a very bad idea to install on my only Mac, the very first version of a release that brings massive changes to macOS - especially after the mess that was Catalina.

I know that I should wait for 11.2.

But come this Thursday, I won't be able to resist.
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Same, same. My main unit is a 2020 27" iMac. But then I remembered I have late-2013 MBP tucked away in my bedroom. I'll start with that as my crash test dummy!
 
Is the feature for running iOS apps natively gone? Read up and down the feature list and don’t see it anymore
 
TokMok3 said:
Hello, it is posible to do a clean usb install with Big Sur 11.0.1 Release Candidate 2?

Is Big Sur 11.0.1 Release Candidate 2 same as the public final version that will be released on Thursday?

If installing Big Sur 11.0.1 Release Candidate 2 will the MacBook receive the normal security updates?

Thank you!
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Based on my previous experience with Apple beta software, I'd claim that is the case: the 'last' release candidate will automagically turn itself into the final public version and there is no need for further downloads. That's what happened on Mojave and Catalina (at least).

The RC2 download is also already available around here in Portugal, and it shows as macOS Big Sur 11.0.1, not as a 'release candidate' or 'Beta':

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... and I'm soooooo glad that my old MacBook Pro is still able to run it! (very smoothly, in fact)
 
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bluecoast said:
I know it would be a very bad idea to install on my only Mac, the very first version of a release that brings massive changes to macOS - especially after the mess that was Catalina.

I know that I should wait for 11.2.

But come this Thursday, I won't be able to resist.
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I've been pleasantly surprised at the stability of rc1. No issues so far, and some genuine improvements, especially with managing the egpu. Only glitch is that they've borked the ability to easily make bootable clones with ccc, but looks like there may be workarounds coming.
 
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markaceto said:
Also, all 3 Mac's that were updated today were the only Mac's that weren't available with a discreet GPU, so it made sense to start there. That said, losing half the I/O in the MBP and MM is a big tradeoff for improved graphics performance.

This round of updates reminds me of the late-2008 unibody MBP's that were lame ducks (13" was missing ports), and then swiftly updated 6 months later with the mid-2009 machines (restoring missing ports). "These are not the droids you're looking for." These are the decoys.
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These are low end machines by intent. Performance under Rosetta will be meh, so by having a superior cpu, the net effect will be a moderate performance improvement over the machines they replace. Plus, the vast majority of workloads on that class of machines are the 'in the sandbox' type, hence no egpu, dual tb3 ports, capped ram, etc. the redesign next year is the one power users will want..plus it'll be the second gen, so a bunch of bugs will be worked out.
 
zorinlynx said:
Not only that, but two more things:

- It's a very good design. I can't really think of any flaws with the current designs, or any real ways to improve them without it being "change for change's sake". Many years of product evolution got us here.


So there's plenty of precedent for this.
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Some suggestions:
1) the touchbar either needs to be spaced farther from the keyboard or needs to be pressure sensitive/Taptic (so that brushing it while typing 90wpm doesn’t launch Siri, etc.)

2) or make the touchpad a display with configurable controls. Or get rid of the touchbar entirely.

3) touch screen (especially now that we are getting bigger controls/click targets in Big Sur)

4) 1080p front camera

5) face id

6) mechanism to allow some level of tilting of keyboard

7) “floating” display (like the ipad keyboard)
 
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