HomeKit Apple removes HomeKit doorbell category...

Discussion in 'HomeKit, HomePod, CarPlay, Home & Auto Technology' started by xraydoc, Jul 18, 2018.

  1. xraydoc macrumors demi-god

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    http://appleinsider.com/articles/18...orbell-category-from-homekit-accessories-page

    I'm a huge Apple fan, but I have a lot of home automation gear and I've pretty much given up all hope that Apple will have any leadership role in this market segment.

    While various lighting solutions have good HomeKit support, there's limited product in just about every other segment. Disappointing, since it's so nice how HK brings different manufacturers together under one interface.

    I just moved in to a 4800 sq ft house. I equipped it with Amazon Echo Shows and Spots, Lutron lighting and Nest gear for the rest -- two thermostats, Nest outdoor cameras, Nest Protect smoke/CO detectors, Nest Hello doorbell, Nest/Yale door locks and Nest Secure security w/ Brinks monitoring, plus a couple of Google Home minis for verbal Nest Hello announcements and a Bond ceiling fan controller. It all works seamlessly together -- no Apple HomeKit required.

    I didn't have to worry about Apple dropping support for something at their whim or waiting for eventual Ring camera support. Had Ring at my old house and grew tired of waiting. Good thing too, since it now looks like it's not coming. I presume at least in part it's because Amazon bought Ring but surprised that August support has also been dropped.

    Alexa gives me verbal control over all the lights, ceiling fans and thermostats, and I can ask to see video feeds on the Shows & Spots strategically placed around the house. Also doubles as a home intercom and does decent duty for music since there's basically one in each room. Lutron handles programmed light scheduling and the Nest presence detection will automatically randomize the Lutron lights (and cut the HVAC) when no one is home, automatically returning to the previous state when we arrive back. The Nest/Yale door locks will disable the security system when I unlock the door, and the system will remind us to set the alarm when the last person leaves the house, if not already set. Stringify will briefly turn on certain lights at night if the outside cameras detect a person.

    Unfortunately it's one less thing keeping me in the Apple camp. Apple's doing a good job of diminishing their lock-in, to their detriment. My Macs, iPhone, iPad and Apple TVs still play better together than anything Microsoft/Google/Amazon can do, but for the rest, Apple has pretty much lost it, IMHO.

    Shame.
     
  2. Sciomar macrumors regular

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    If they’re dropping it because of the third parties’ inability to conform to encryption standards, I’ll gladly take it. Locks are one area of HomeKit (along with the garage door) I would definitely not want wide allowance of substandard equipment to be accepted.
     
  3. xraydoc thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Sounds like it's disinterest on behalf of manufacturers. If some companies can do it (and they have), they all can... if they wanted to.

    However, that said, doesn't matter how good the encryption is on the door lock. If someone wants to kick down the door, a hardware encryption chip versus software encryption isn't going to stop them.

    I see this as Apple acknowledging that no one is going to be producing a HomeKit-capable doorbell cam any time soon. No point in advertising them if there aren't any coming. Which leads me to be concerned about the HomeKit ecosystem as a whole. From a marketing standpoint, doorbell cameras are popular. And if no one is targeting HomeKit, then clearly their market research says that segment doesn't matter. So if that doesn't matter, when will the rest of HomeKit not matter? I'm guessing soon, unfortunately.
     
  4. Sciomar macrumors regular

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    I’m patient enough to wait for a deliberate roll-out of carefully vetted pieces of tech enhanced hardware. I’ll maintain optimism that it is coming eventually, even if it’s late to the market like the HomePod was. There’s so many great uses of the smart tech enhancements in day to day living but I don’t trust a lot of the companies who quickly brought something to market. I just don’t trust they hardened them enough to deter would-be tech savvy thieves.

    I’ve already replaced the door hardware with grade 8 longer and thicker screws along with a metal plate around the frame. Is it completely full-proof? No, but short of driving through the door they’re going to be hurting for a bit after they get in.
     
  5. xraydoc thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    My front door is 1/2 glass. Bigger screws and a thicker deadbolt won't help. But at least I'll get a very nice picture of anyone who attempts to force their way in. And god forbid they attempt that while someone is home. No shortage of firearms in my house. Just sayin'...
     
  6. bbednarz macrumors 6502

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    To me it seems like this is more of a vendor issue. Clearly it is easier to develop their products to work with Alexa and Google instead of HomeKit. I am pretty sure that relatively recently Apple removed the hardware component required for products to use HomeKit and it became some kind of software component. I thought that would spark a large increase in the amount of HomeKit products available, but so far that hasn't been the case.

    Right now in my house (rental) I have lightbulbs and a few smart plugs that all work with both Alexa and HomeKit. Next year when I look to buy a house I want to smartify the s**t out of it. I would like to do everything through HomeKit, but I don't know if it is going to be a possibility. Alexa works well enough, but the UI is god awful. HomeKit is so neat and organized and allows different manufacturers to work together in scenes.
     
  7. robjulo macrumors 65816

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    Heroin addicts aren’t hacking your door lock, they are kicking your door in.

     
  8. Sciomar macrumors regular

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    This is a post about Apple removing HomeKit compatibility, not about Schlage or Yale hardware...stick to the topic.
     
  9. xraydoc thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    The Alexa app is pretty horrible, true enough. Fortunately I only ever go in to the app to configure my gear & routines/groups, then use the voice control for everything. I do like very much the HomeKit Home app for organizing the lights and such, but it's unfortunate that HomeKit is so limited for everything but lighting and outlets/switches.

    Strongly thinking about adding HomeBridge to my iMac (always on to serve up iTunes to the AppleTVs) to hack in support for the Nest thermostats.
     
  10. bbednarz macrumors 6502

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    I think what he is saying is that a vulnerability in HomeKit, Alexa, Google Home is less likely to be exploited than someone kicking down the door. So regardless of which one is more secure, if someone wants to get into your house they are much more likely to figure out a physical means of access over exploiting the door lock.
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    Whenever I start buying this stuff I hoping to only get stuff that is HomeKit compatible. I think everything that works with HomeKit also works with Alexa/Google anyway. I want to be able to have the flexibility in the future. I have about a year so well see where things are at by then.

    I had setup HomeBridge on my computer for a couple of TP-Link outlets. Worked great. If I ever go that route in the future I want to have it on a rasberry pi so I don't have to worry about the computer being on.
     
  11. bbednarz macrumors 6502

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    Wemo just added HomeKit support to their outlets. Clearly it can be done, its just a matter of these companies doing it.
     
  12. xraydoc thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    There was a Wemo HomeKit bridge already, wasn't there? I guess bridgeless support is good, too.
     
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    I'm very happy with RING. not very happy that amazon purchased the company
     

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