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If you buy your phone from Verizon here in the U.S. now, it's locked for 60 days if you paid in full. I don't know about if you do financing. Yeah, it shocked me too. I haven't had a locked phone in a long time.
Yes, I experienced this Verizon (fully paid phone at the initial purchase) sadistic method and the more than torturous “unlocking” series of events.
 
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Apple managed to supply me with a refurbished locked phone once- they claimed this was impossible, and that I must contact the network. Which I did. They were baffled, and said it wasn't them. Took about 7 hours of calls to resolve, on Apple's side in the end, after many denials. They promised me a gift as compensation, which was never provided- and which I chased up a few times- each time nothing. 🤦‍♂️ that was 5 years ago, but I thought I'd share, as the memory still annoys me! 😂

Edit: Oh yeah, and it wasn't even locked to a network of the country I was in, so I had to waste quite a lot of money making all those foreign calls on Skype!
Yuck!! that would have really annoyed me!
 
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I read an article on the eSim situation earlier today, and it mentioned how locked iPhones are still a thing in the US? Nightmare! I'm glad that nonsense is getting banned in some countries. What a horrid practice that harms consumers, and screws up anyone that travels.

Honestly, for the prices US carriers offer when financing a device having it locked (sometimes for just 60 days like on Verizon) doesn’t sound so bad. Everywhere else you usually pay full price, they don’t.
 
Honestly, for the prices US carriers offer when financing a device having it locked (sometimes for just 60 days like on Verizon) doesn’t sound so bad. Everywhere else you usually pay full price, they don’t.
Don't Americans pay a lot per month, though? The UK contract I had for the last decade cost me about 8 bucks a month with lots of data and it worked in over 100 countries for no extra cost (sadly this deal has now ended 😭). I could afford to buy iPhones up front! When I was in China I had unlimited use for $4 a month...
 
Don't Americans pay a lot per month, though? The UK contract I had for the last decade cost me about 8 bucks a month with lots of data and it worked in over 100 countries for no extra cost (sadly this deal has now ended 😭). I could afford to buy iPhones up front! When I was in China I had unlimited use for $4 a month...
Yes, we pay a lot per month unless it's prepaid, then it's just how much you use it.
 
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Yes, we pay a lot per month unless it's prepaid, then it's just how much you use it.
I can't imagine that's any cheaper if you're a regular user... My American friends and colleagues always moan that they pay way more than the rest of us.
 
I can't imagine that's any cheaper if you're a regular user... My American friends and colleagues always moan that they pay way more than the rest of us.
It isn't for heavy use, but it can be a LOT cheaper for light use.

I pay close to $70 per phone and I have 2. :(
 
Honestly, for the prices US carriers offer when financing a device having it locked (sometimes for just 60 days like on Verizon) doesn’t sound so bad. Everywhere else you usually pay full price, they don’t.

They do pay full price to unlock in the US. When financing, the iphone remains locked until it’s fully paid. When purchased outright, the carrier will unlock immediately or at most within 2-3 billing cycles.
 
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I can't imagine that's any cheaper if you're a regular user... My American friends and colleagues always moan that they pay way more than the rest of us.

Another thing americans never evolved to is a calling party pays scheme for cellphones. Everywhere else incoming calls are free, but in the US they’re not: they’re still deducted from the plan minutes or prepaid balance just as it was done when cellphones started in 1990. It’s unbelievable how backwards they are in certain things.
 
They do pay full price to unlock in the US. When financing, the iphone remains locked until it’s fully paid. When purchased outright, the carrier will unlock immediately or at most within 2-3 billing cycles.
In my case, dedpite for the phone to have been fully paid for, Verizon somehow “forgot” to unlock. We discovered this when my son inserted a SIM card in Europe. From then on it became a bouncing game between us, Verizon and Apple for a few days of torture spending hours on the phone Europe-to-Verizon. In summary, if you pay for the phone in full, NEVER buy it from a service provider. I have a suspicion for all phones dispatched by Apple to respective providers to be initially locked.
 
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Yes, I experienced this Verizon (fully paid phone at the initial purchase) sadistic method and the more than torturous “unlocking” series of events.
I bought a 13 Pro Max in early August through Verizon. I had it unlocked the next day online for about $20 and was using it on T-Mobile. I put my Verizon sim into my S10+ since I don't really get great speeds in my area anyways, just about 15-40mbps. On T-Mobile I get 5G speeds of 500-700.
 
In my case, dedpite for the phone to have been fully paid for, Verizon somehow “forgot” to unlock. We discovered this when my son inserted a SIM card in Europe. From then on it became a bouncing game between us, Verizon and Apple for a few days of torture spending hours on the phone Europe-to-Verizon. In summary, if you pay for the phone in full, NEVER buy it from a service provider. I have a suspicion for all phones dispatched by Apple to respective providers to be initially locked.

Yeah iphones that come ready for a particular carrier, whether bought from Apple or the carrier, are initially locked and the unlock has to be requested from the carrier, who will unlock only if it’s fully paid. Better to buy the unlocked sim free version. More so now that in the US you can finance that one using Apple Card.
 
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Don't Americans pay a lot per month, though? The UK contract I had for the last decade cost me about 8 bucks a month with lots of data and it worked in over 100 countries for no extra cost (sadly this deal has now ended ). I could afford to buy iPhones up front! When I was in China I had unlimited use for $4 a month...

Not necessarily. Sure some postpaid plans like those offered by big 3 cost a lot if a single line, I think the price is ok for what they offer on multi line accounts as they also offer many other benefits like free access to streaming services. Some postpaid carriers often offer free additional lines too.

For a single line then I recommend a prepaid provider like Visible. Unlimited everything for $45 a month.
 
They do pay full price to unlock in the US. When financing, the iphone remains locked until it’s fully paid. When purchased outright, the carrier will unlock immediately or at most within 2-3 billing cycles.

Only if you buy from the carrier itself. This iPhone launch had a really good trade in promo from some carriers. T-Mobile Magenta Max for example can get around $1000 in trade in credits for an iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max. This isn’t offered anywhere else.

Apple only locks iPhones bought via AT&T financing.
 
Pretty ballsy move.

They might just have the clout to pull it off, but almost none of the MVNOs here in Australia support e-sim. This'll play into the hands of the physical network operators here who are the only ones that offer it.
 
Pretty ballsy move.

They might just have the clout to pull it off, but almost none of the MVNOs here in Australia support e-sim. This'll play into the hands of the physical network operators here who are the only ones that offer it.
As someone who used to get by with prepaid for my main SIM I don’t want to go back to the main physical operators in AU anytime soon unless someone else is paying for it. So if I get the new phone this year I’ll have some options.
 
Not necessarily. Sure some postpaid plans like those offered by big 3 cost a lot if a single line, I think the price is ok for what they offer on multi line accounts as they also offer many other benefits like free access to streaming services. Some postpaid carriers often offer free additional lines too.

For a single line then I recommend a prepaid provider like Visible. Unlimited everything for $45 a month.
While perhaps "not expensive" to you you and I, it's still 10x the cost of other countries, and much more than the cost in the overwhelming majority of nations, so competitively it is undeniably expensive, no?
 
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Another thing americans never evolved to is a calling party pays scheme for cellphones. Everywhere else incoming calls are free, but in the US they’re not: they’re still deducted from the plan minutes or prepaid balance just as it was done when cellphones started in 1990. It’s unbelievable how backwards they are in certain things.
Wow! I had no idea! Crazy
 
It isn't for heavy use, but it can be a LOT cheaper for light use.

I pay close to $70 per phone and I have 2. :(
I keep a UK post-paid SIM for when I'm in UK, and pay for SIMs for my elderly parents too. It costs a grand total of £12 a month- about $14 US. Data is only 5GB a SIM for my parents and 12GB for me, but unused allowance rolls over for 18 or 24 months so there's tons available. If I wanted unlimited data use on all three I could pay £12 extra a month on each SIM, so even in that scenario it's much much cheaper.
 
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If you are driving up you could also check out the telcos like Rogers, Bell, Telus and so on. The down side is that they will try to sell you a plan. Why even bother with the card, convert your American dollars to Canadian and buy it with cash. Then for sure “The Man” won’t know. Call around and if you find what you like have them hold it for you. Then the trip is well worth it.


Oh - I see you wanted to reserve it with the card. Most will do it for free if only a day or two.
I was able to keep refreshing the Apple Store Canada pickup availability page Friday morning until I found the model I wanted and paid for it using a US credit card. For some reason, Apple Pay on my iPhone kept giving me a billing address error, but it worked fine using Apple Pay on my Mac with the same credit card. Just drove up today to pick it up and was able to pop in my AT&T Prepaid SIM card right at the Apple Store and do a basic setup to get up and running. I'm already back in the US and about to do a proper restore from my backup. I'm so relieved to have a SIM card slot.
 
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I was able to keep refreshing the Apple Store Canada pickup availability page Friday morning until I found tmodel I wanted and paid for it using a US credit card. For some reason, Apple Pay on my iPhone kept giving me a billing address error, but it worked fine using Apple Pay on my Mac with the same credit card. Just drove up today to pick it up and was able to pop in my AT&T Prepaid SIM card right at the Apple Store and do a basic setup to get up and running. I'm already back in the US and about to do a proper restore from my backup. I'm so relieved to have a SIM card slot.
Was there a price difference after Canadian taxes?
 
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