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Apple Removes X11 in OS X Mountain Lion, Shifts Support to Open Source XQuartz

Rocketman said:
Every OS upgrade has been a legacy feature downgrade and a move toward a consumer only feature set. I get that and I can live with that, but I in no way understand why Apple does not simply have a second fee bracket to reinstall all legacy features as apps or services or whatever. Heck, they could charge people a fee to add Apple II binary support and folks would FLOCK to it. Old is new again.

Until that day comes and I'm not holding my breath, as I run Mac Draw, Apple's first Mac vector graphics app on my PBG4 OS10.4, and folks I know are running DOS on their latest mac under Parallels or whatever. Mac users must be cut off by the spaceship from the past while Windblows users get to keep everything forever.

I was using X11 in 1992 and it's still here. So is Ethernet!

Rocketman
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Why on Earth did this guy get downvoted?

I hear you and agree with you. I'm still reeling over the loss of about 20 apps I was using under Snow Leopard that won't run under Lion because of lack of Rosetta support. So now in Mountain Lion I'll lose another 20 or 30 apps due to lack of X11? Neat.

I don't really know where we're headed with OS X. I was AMAZED with all the stuff I could do on my iMac when I bought it back in 2010. Now, each new permutation of the OS seems like a compromise instead of a gain.

A quote from a certain movie comes to mind:
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
 
Any time i have downloaded a program that opened with the X11 window, I instantly deleted it... Was I alone?
 
sperry1988 said:
Any time i have downloaded a program that opened with the X11 window, I instantly deleted it... Was I alone?
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No, you weren't. X11 programs for OSX always struck me as 2nd hand porting efforts that always ran and often looked like crap compared to the identical program ported straight to OSX (especially Aqua). Just try running something like Vice for X11 compared to Vice for Aqua. I'm sure it's improved a bit over the years since Linux has improved its libraries, etc., but certainly when I got my first Mac I was all gung-ho to use X11 (since I had been using Linux for a half decade before that), but I quickly stopped using it once I found true Mac products. A lot of the X11 stuff wasn't being maintained for OSX anyway since they were generally 3rd party people doing it on the side anyway and were far behind the general versions out there (unless you wanted to compile it yourself).
 
FWIW, when you install and run a new X11 application in a clean Mountain Lion install, you are automatically prompted to download the XQuartz libraries.
 
Don't want X11 as default Server

I recently installed some software that needed me to install X11 - Quartz so I could run it. Once X11 -Quartz was insalled a pop up notice came up saying that I need to logout and login to make it my default server... what does it mean my default server and how do I stop it from being a default server as I don't want it to be?

Thanks
 
itsmattmiles said:
I recently installed some software that needed me to install X11 - Quartz so I could run it. Once X11 -Quartz was insalled a pop up notice came up saying that I need to logout and login to make it my default server... what does it mean my default server and how do I stop it from being a default server as I don't want it to be?

Thanks
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It's for displaying graphical elements, read about it here. For X11 to work, it operates in a server mode awaiting instructions to be carried out. It's not a server like you are imagining.
 
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