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What a great negotiator - Do It My Way of The High Way.
And everybody blinked.
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Apple Renews iTunes Pricing at 99 cents
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I would gladly pay $1.09 per song if I could download them directly encoded at 192 kbps, and I'd buy a lot more songs than I do now if that were possible as well.
Felldownthewell said:whew. Now that that is out of the way we can all start complaining about how the songs aren't $0.50 each!
LOL!
You've been around here a while haven't you?Anyway, before I start complaining: This is great news! Steve's Reality Distortion Field is more powerful and record exec's short-sighted greed...now that's truely amazing.
I'd love Apple to provide uncompressed .WAV files. Storage(bandwidth) issues could be resolved by using p2p technology so you don't download directly from Apple but rather from people that have already purchased the songs. Or make it like BitTorrent: Apple seeds, iTunes clients are peers. I love the idea of BitTorrent because it uses network capacities like SETI or Folding At Home. No need to have huge data centers and gigantic bandwidth for running a music store.
But when I think of it, it would be too easy to hack iTunes so you can download your songs without paying.
And .WAV files can't really hold copyright information, let alone any DRM.
I'd really buy on iTunes if the quality was better. I'll just keep on buying on Amazon for now.
But when I think of it, it would be too easy to hack iTunes so you can download your songs without paying.
And .WAV files can't really hold copyright information, let alone any DRM.
I'd really buy on iTunes if the quality was better. I'll just keep on buying on Amazon for now.
it's the power of the ipod. its nice to see record companies cower to someone else, instead of inforcing $15+ for a cd and a jewel case!
You can wrap DRM around anything. It's no big deal to encrypt a file, slap on a header, and change the file type. And once you've done this, you can put all the tag/copyright information you want in that header. The only reason you don't see DRM-wrapped versions of WAV (and MP3, for that matter) is that it's hard to make a business case.MrCrowbar said:And .WAV files can't really hold copyright information, let alone any DRM.
And since DRM will end up making the file proprietary, why bother? Why not instead use Apple Lossless, and make the files sizes smaller?
I doubted that Steve would win this round... I was expecting a substancial change in pricing... But, again, SJ shows his theet and keep things the way he wanted it.
This was not a easy chat for sure..
This was not a easy chat for sure..
this would be great but...
this is probably one of the key ways apple was able to get the record companies to bite on the 99 cents - by having your buy the full album, you are nullify the chance of buying 1 or 2 tracks first, then the whole album.
don't get be wrong, i think you're suggestion is great and i could see myself doing it as well, but i don't think the record execs would go with it.
regarding the orig post, i think it's great the record companies agreed.
if they jack the prices, i'll be getting my music elsewhere within a heartbeat. $10 or $11 for an album is good enough. not enough full quality albums being made these days to justify more imho.
Doctor Q said:
this is probably one of the key ways apple was able to get the record companies to bite on the 99 cents - by having your buy the full album, you are nullify the chance of buying 1 or 2 tracks first, then the whole album.
don't get be wrong, i think you're suggestion is great and i could see myself doing it as well, but i don't think the record execs would go with it.
regarding the orig post, i think it's great the record companies agreed.
if they jack the prices, i'll be getting my music elsewhere within a heartbeat. $10 or $11 for an album is good enough. not enough full quality albums being made these days to justify more imho.
I understand your point. It means that market research oughta be done, to see whether most people are like me (they would spend more money with this suggested improvement) or most people would pay up front for entire albums based on liking a couple of songs. In other words, which would earn the record labels the most total sales?Keebler said:
Why do you care if lossless compression is applied. A lossless algorithm, by definition, is one that will not lose a single bit of the original data when it is uncompressed. Think of it like a Zip or Stuffit file - if they lost data as a part of the compression, applications wouldn't run after unpacking them. Apple Lossless doesn't use the same algorithm as Zip and Sit, but the principle is the same.MrCrowbar said:
This is completely different from lossy formats like JPG, MP3 and AAC. With these, the uncompressed data will be different from the original, which is why they are called "lossy".
this was an obvious outcome. the record labels are thick, but they aren't stupid. or something. they realised the loss of revenue that would occurr from increasing prices - sometimes increasing a price is the last way possible to increase revenue.
although the "we need apple too much right now" bit sounds dubious...
although the "we need apple too much right now" bit sounds dubious...
weitzner said:yay! This really shows that Apple is becoming a force to be reconned with. Not even big evil record labels can push Apple around.
Record companies aren't evil. I know first hand.
sorry to disagree
Amazing that people don't see this as silly.
Why should all songs cost the same? Why should a popular song cost as much as an unpopular song?
Should all book cost the same? How about all cars?
The market should set the price... not Apple.
Perhaps Apple should be forced to sell all there software for the same price...... Perhaps the newest OS should cost the same as a quicktime license
Amazing that people don't see this as silly.
Why should all songs cost the same? Why should a popular song cost as much as an unpopular song?
Should all book cost the same? How about all cars?
The market should set the price... not Apple.
Perhaps Apple should be forced to sell all there software for the same price...... Perhaps the newest OS should cost the same as a quicktime license
There is a difference that can partially justify it. Uniform pricing makes it easier to explain and use a music downloading site. To much of the public, the idea of switching their tried-and-true CD purchasing habits to a brand-new technology requires a leap of faith, a change in mindset. Old habits die hard. Having the price issue removed makes it that much easier for new buyers to adjust to the new model. They need only consider if a given song is worth the uniform price to them.ioinc said:
This isn't needed for books and cars, because people are used to buying them.
If you're a math geek like me, you think of it as measuring value instead of value divided by price - a simpler mental process.
Perhaps uniform pricing also made negotiating the deals with record labels simpler. No haggling one track at a time.
But... You are right about the flipside. A variable-pricing system would be more fair, have market-driven prices that change over time, be based on the (estimated) value of each individual item, and let us buy lesser-known or older music at comparatively bargain prices. Of course Vertigo by U2 would have cost us a lot more.
Because we're special. Either that or a combination of VAT, extra royalty payments in this country and still using the stupid pound as a curency, (99¢ in the Eurozone countries too, which is about £0.69, even true in Ireland with 21% VAT).joe8232 said:
I don't think you understand what it means for a market to set prices. It doesn't mean customers walk in to a store and start haggling over the price of individual items. It means you are free to go shop somewhere else to get a better price.ioinc said:
The owner of a store always has the absolute right to set whatever price he wants. This includes Apple. If you think their prices are too high, go buy your music from somebody else. If enough people do, then they'll rethink their business model.
Nobody is forcing you to buy music at any particular price, and nobody is forcing you to buy from Apple. If iTMS is too oppressive for you, you can buy CDs from hundreds of different stores. You can download unprotected music from many different on-line stores. You can buy music in WMA or ATRAC format from an even wider variety of stores.ioinc said:
If you think you have no choice but to buy from Apple, then you aren't looking very hard.
Am I getting sucked into the Reality Distortion Field, or is Mr. Jobs becoming a viable candidate for the California Governorship?!
Seriously though, I'm glad things will stay the way they have been for the near future. Why mess with a good thing?
Seriously though, I'm glad things will stay the way they have been for the near future. Why mess with a good thing?
As I 've said before: 99¢ is the sweet spot as far as individual songs go. Anything higher seems unheard of, in my opinion.
milatchi said:
Why is this the sweet spot? Why not 98 cents? Why not 1.01?
What is the opinion based on?
Has there been any testing?
Has nothing changed since the launch of iTunes?