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Too late. Tesla is 5 years ahead especially with battery technology/manufacturing and full self driving software.

Yeah... and Motorola, Ericsson, and Nokia (communications giants, and at one time were collectively referred to as MEN in the cellular telecom industry) were more than a decade and a half ahead of Apple on mobile phones.

Where are they now?
 
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Too late. Tesla is 5 years ahead especially with battery technology/manufacturing and full self driving software.
5 years ahead? With Apple it is at least 10 years ahead. To the best of our knowledge, Apple does not have even a prototype, let alone manufacturing facilities, distribution network, service centers, charging network. Apple thinks that it can jump on a fast moving train, but the train is already long gone.
 
5 years ahead? With Apple it is at least 10 years ahead. To the best of our knowledge, Apple does not have even a prototype, let alone manufacturing facilities, distribution network, service centers, charging network. Apple thinks that it can jump on a fast moving train, but the train is already long gone.

A lot of truth to what you say. EVs are a fast moving market now. but “rumors” say Apple R&D has been working on the car for 4 or 5 years. So one would suppose (only suppose) they have a prototype schematic if not a close to produced prototype in a lab already.
Several things about Apple that give them a huge leg up: -a lot of capital to fund a venture. -a supply channel and inventory control system that is often considered second to none(critical for auto mfg). -contract manufacturing network that may be unrivaled.

Apple typically only moves into an existing market space if they think they have a step up on existing products. They’ve also missed on these attempts. While they’ve shown they definitely can succeed, with EVs it would be their biggest and arguably most difficult attempt.
 
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Do people realize that it doesn't matter much if Apple chooses to work with Taiwan companies over China companies? China controls much of the world's battery-making supply chain. This is just choosing who gets to put the batteries together. Much of the raw materials will still be sourced from China. China produces 10x more lithium than the US for example.

I like how the majority here is so anti-China but the majority are happy to have affordable electronics.
 
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5 years ahead? With Apple it is at least 10 years ahead. To the best of our knowledge, Apple does not have even a prototype, let alone manufacturing facilities, distribution network, service centers, charging network. Apple thinks that it can jump on a fast moving train, but the train is already long gone.
The whole idea of an Apple car seems ridiculous to me and I can’t help but feel they’re getting in over their head on something of this magnitude. Building cars, not to mention autonomous ones, is serious business. Actual lives are at stake. When someone inevitably dies behind the wheel of an Apple car driven by Siri or whatever are they prepared for that kind of PR? We’re not talking antennagate or a phone bending in someone’s pocket here.

And if they are smug enough to think it’ll be perfect because they’re Apple and they can’t fail, well, I guess we’ll find out if they have the stomach for it. Tesla has been doing this for a decade and still makes mistakes and has people dying in their cars while they work on the kinks.

They should be sticking to what they know which is luxury electronics.
 
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The whole idea of an Apple car seems ridiculous to me and I can’t help but feel they’re getting in over their head on something of this magnitude. Building cars, not to mention autonomous ones, is serious business. Actual lives are at stake. When someone inevitably dies behind the wheel of an Apple car driven by Siri or whatever are they prepared for that kind of PR? We’re not talking antennagate or a phone bending in someone’s pocket here.

And if they are smug enough to think it’ll be perfect because they’re Apple and they can’t fail, well, I guess we’ll find out if they have the stomach for it. Tesla has been doing this for a decade and still makes mistakes and has people dying in their cars while they work on the kinks.

They should be sticking to what they know which is luxury electronics.
Apple is worth $2.4 trillion. If they want to grow, they have to keep moving into big markets.

I expect Apple to move into Cars, smart home products, and maybe eventually your own house might be entirely built by Apple. Maybe one day, you'll take a ride in an Apple Spaceship to Mars.
 
The whole idea of an Apple car seems ridiculous to me and I can’t help but feel they’re getting in over their head on something of this magnitude. Building cars, not to mention autonomous ones, is serious business.

Dyson tried to get into cars, and failed after reportedly spending £500 million on R&D. They had a pretty cool prototype but the financial cost and risk of bringing it to production proved just too much for them[1]

Apple, on the other hand, has almost unlimited financial resources they can call on. And certainly have enough smart people working at the company to pull it off, and plenty of automotive talent they can poach from Tesla in California and others. If Apple wants it badly enough, they absolutely can make it happen.

[1] https://theswitch.co.uk/energy/guides/vehicles/dyson
 
Whoops, I was a little confused. You are correct. Looks like Tesla is building the batteries in USA. However, the battery cells are being produced in Japan.

The battery cells for US Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles are produced by Panasonic in Nevada, USA at the Tesla Gigafactory. They are then assembled into modules/packs by Tesla, at the same factory, and shipped to Fremont, California where they are put into the vehicles.
 
The whole idea of an Apple car seems ridiculous to me and I can’t help but feel they’re getting in over their head on something of this magnitude. Building cars, not to mention autonomous ones, is serious business. Actual lives are at stake. When someone inevitably dies behind the wheel of an Apple car driven by Siri or whatever are they prepared for that kind of PR? We’re not talking antennagate or a phone bending in someone’s pocket here.

And if they are smug enough to think it’ll be perfect because they’re Apple and they can’t fail, well, I guess we’ll find out if they have the stomach for it. Tesla has been doing this for a decade and still makes mistakes and has people dying in their cars while they work on the kinks.

They should be sticking to what they know which is luxury electronics.
TBF, modern car is also an electronic device.
 
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Innovation possibilities for Apple Car: after sales + software/hardware experience.

Innovation non-opportunities: somewhat affordable price; Apple Car: may not be Taycan Turbo prices, but you never know with Apple.
 
Cart before the horse.
Apparently you have never set up supply and delivery contracts.

Given the rumored launch year, I’d say Apple is on a normal schedule.

Below is a generous 4-year schedule as vehicle OEMs do these things from a well established supply base selling revised versions of existing components. Apple, although it is going to lean on suppliers for components and assembly is still standing up a clean sheet operation.

if it’s a 2025 MY vehicle:
- 2024 supplier component production equipment ready for process validation with production intent component & vehicle testing.
- 2023 Plant and production equipment construction.
- 2022 supplier design intent components and Apple prototype vehicle testing.
- 2021 initial design freeze and supplier selection.

In my mind, Apple has already much preliminary work done.

Honestly, their Lexus robot fleet could also be mule vehicles testing Apple power train components and software for all we know.
 
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The whole idea of an Apple car seems ridiculous to me and I can’t help but feel they’re getting in over their head on something of this magnitude. Building cars, not to mention autonomous ones, is serious business. Actual lives are at stake. When someone inevitably dies behind the wheel of an Apple car driven by Siri or whatever are they prepared for that kind of PR? We’re not talking antennagate or a phone bending in someone’s pocket here.

And if they are smug enough to think it’ll be perfect because they’re Apple and they can’t fail, well, I guess we’ll find out if they have the stomach for it. Tesla has been doing this for a decade and still makes mistakes and has people dying in their cars while they work on the kinks.

They should be sticking to what they know which is luxury electronics.
That’s crazy. If they had followed that advice they would have never made any of the things we enjoy today. They would have gone broke in the late 1990’s. Or existed as a niche computer maker.

there is never a better time to get into the auto business than now because one needs no experience in ICE power train design and certification.

Cars are becoming much more like iPhones with wheels, glass and and seats. Instead of your iPhone riding around in your pocket, you will be riding in your iPhone.

Ford and other OEMs are trying to vertically integrate things like emotors and batteries to replace integrated production of ICE, transmissions, axles (largely to avoid rendering large numbers of Union employees redundant but also to avoid supply interruption) but, except for supply, Apple doesn’t have those concerns and can optimize component outsourcing.

No other OEM has all the pieces fully in place either. Tesla was the first mover, only real game in town, but soon the competition will nibble it to death.

VW is arguably the most prominent fast follower but that could be the smaller (than VW) Ford as well, which is going electric in its segment leading vehicles.

Apple has so much cash they can fund all of this out of a quarters profits and abandon it if it looks like a future fail. Apple can launch slow and burn cash building up and perfecting without the headaches Tesla went thru for years before turning profits. Every car maker is so highly leveraged with debt they have to hit home run successes or risk a long slide into acquisition or failure.

Some brands, within groups (think Stellantis axing Chrysler and a French and Italian marque) and possibly independent OEMs (think Jag and Mazda) will not survive the transition to electric and autonomous drive but Apple can throw gobs of cash (think 10 or 20 billion) at an experiment and walk away if they must and it won’t imperil the company.

If Apple want they can buy an OEM or two after those OEMs start the rationalization process right sizing to produce electric power trains. In rough G$ M, not counting debt, market cap Ford is 58, GM 85, VW 140.

In 2019 Apple had profits of about 60G$.

But they don’t need to buy others legacy problems and debt.
 
It's not an information device though. It's a transportation device first. Nice to have an information device second.

I'm not saying Apple shouldn't do a car.

But it is more and more. Ford’s CEO thinks information and always on customer contact will be a game changer for his company maybe more important than the switch to electric drive will be. And to do it he decided to scrap internal efforts to develop software, instead outsourcing that to Google, and deploying that capital into vehicle development.
 
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Everyone who purchases an Apple car will get a free Apple TV set, wait and see...
Apple was on track to do a regular TV but decided it wouldn’t bring enough to stand out.

They got what they wanted by co-opting other makers displays to support the Apple TV box and airplay.

they did this by selling a relatively cheap product which addressed the majority of consumers that they wouldn’t have been able to reach with a much much more expensive TV screen.
 
While Jeff, Richard and Elon take their eyes of the ball trying to beat each other up over reaching space, Apple will be focusing on building an awesome autonomous vehicle. When it becomes a major hit, they will all come back to either scrambling to catchup.

Uhm hate to break it to you but Musk (SpaceX) has reached space over a decade ago.
 
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Do people realize that it doesn't matter much if Apple chooses to work with Taiwan companies over China companies? China controls much of the world's battery-making supply chain. This is just choosing who gets to put the batteries together. Much of the raw materials will still be sourced from China. China produces 10x more lithium than the US for example.

I like how the majority here is so anti-China but the majority are happy to have affordable electronics.

Yes and no. China refines them, they don't actually have most of the raw materials.
 
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