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You realise what you gave as an analogy is just another example of victim blaming, right? For rapes to stop, men need to stop raping. If a man rapes, he is to blame. Attempting to control women by telling them not to walk down alleys and then blaming rape on them if they don't listen to you is victim blaming.

Hello sociology feminist major. "Men need to stop raping"? That's not a prejudicial or offensive statement at all...

I would argue that those doing the raping aren't men, they're monsters. Women can just as easily be monsters; there have been many stories of women teachers having sexual relations with minors. Disgusting, right? Especially since they are in positions of power.

People need to be vigilant with how they conduct themselves in everyday life. So in the iCloud case, people, and especially celebrities, will have to be far more cautious with their password creations and account management styles. Should they have to be more careful? No, but they wouldn't be very wise then.

And going back to the other example from the poster you quoted: yes, absolutely, a lady should probably think twice about walking down the street of a bad area or neighborhood. While she absolutely has a right to walk down the street without being accosted, there are criminals and monsters out there and they don't care about anyone's rights...an unfortunate fact of life. We can all become victims just from minding our own business; this iCloud thing, again, is the perfect example of that.

Another example is if I drive an expensive car and park it in a shady area of town. I have a right not to have my property damaged or taken. Just because I have a right, however, doesn't make me invincible to the bad people out there.

The reality is we all (men, women, children, and celebrities alike) have the potential to be victims. So yes, there is a small element of blame deserved if you've put yourself in a bad situation. Going through life saying "I'm empowered and you can't or shouldn't touch me" is just asking for trouble. The reality is we are all potential victims; if not victims of rape or crime, then victims of our privacy being invaded by hackers or the government. Unfortunately, it seems like witnessing such terrible things is the only way to learn how to be more vigilant. Awful, I know.

Now that there are victims in this iCloud scandal, it's up to the rest of society to find and punish these monsters.

EDIT: sorry for the double post.
 
Apple knew about it. But they didn't do anything about it cos they wanted to give something to the world. :D
 
This article is inaccurate. The celebrities' accounts were not breached on September 1st. The data was obtained over the course of several years, not just from iCloud, and the data was privately traded during that time.
 
Hold on a minute...

One, maybe two issues could certainly be forgiven but it seems there are more and more of these things, as well as those design touches that are concerning me. Things that would have been scrutinised to the nth degree in the past are being let slide - maybe signs that Apple is slowly slipping from an untouchable force in design and engineering to something a little more "Microsoft". I do hope not.

Cheap shot to evoke Microsoft. Maybe you're unaware, but Microsoft patches more than a billion computers weekly (http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/703807). I can't remember the last hotfix that anyone even noticed.
 
I used to once think Apple was a lot more secure but now with all of these issues who knows. As time goes on and more stores get hacked with Credit cards, I am more reluctant to use my devices and cards more and more.

I think things like this and hacking of stores is only going to get a lot worse.
 
Cheap shot to evoke Microsoft. Maybe you're unaware, but Microsoft patches more than a billion computers weekly (http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/703807). I can't remember the last hotfix that anyone even noticed.

Cuts both ways. I think that it’s all about perception. M$ were perceived as low quality run of the mill and Apple would like to be perceived as unassailable in the quality stakes.
I do agree that M$ must have a colossal job ahead of them and should be admired for it.
 
The Next Web linked to a Python script on Github that may have been used for the hacking. The script utilized a brute-force like method which allowed hackers to keep guessing passwords without being locked out.

Now that's cool. Someone links to a python script used for brute force and all of a sudden, that was the script used? When it has been stated before that source of pictures is not sure.

Seriously, it's much easier to break into someone's phone using phising or social attacks than hacking by brute force, specially when most people don't care when connecting to free WIFI networks.

But hey, if Google reads all your personal data to send you the best ads in the world, that's fine :D
 
On September 1, 2014, hackers breached the iCloud accounts of many well-known actresses, downloading and leaking private photos and videos.

Really, MacRumors? You know for a fact that the accounts were all breached on September 1, 2014? I highly doubt that. If you don't have evidence to back this up, you should retract this statement.

It is well known now that these types of celebrity photos are accumulated from various sources and traded among collectors for years. The fact that many of them were leaked on the same day does not mean that they were obtained that same day or that they all came from iCloud.

Sloppy writing like this hurts your credibility.
 
You have some really bad reading comprehension issues. I have no idea at all where you came up with the idea that he's ok with breaking into someones account *at all* from:


All he pointed out was that the evidence doesn't support the claim that this security flaw had *anything* to do with the photo release incident.

Durr, his previous comment said "I don't blame Apple, I blame the celebrities." It's victim blaming.
 
Holy clickbait!

There is no proof any celebrity photos were taken from iCloud.

There is no proof it was any kid of "hack".

Brute force method has nothing to do with any celebrity photos being taken.

Apple has since fixed the iCloud flaw.

Where is journalist in 2014??
 
This article is BS. Brute-force was not used in the recent celeb hacks; Apple already confirmed this. It was old-fashioned phishing of accounts. Do some research MR before you do your muckraking.
 
Sure, she could have sent the photos to an iDevice user who sysnced those photos to iCloud, as much as she could have synced/backed up those photos to whatever service BB has in place.

But neither of those scenarios show that iCloud was 'hacked' to get those photos.

The point I'm making is that there is a presumtion of hacking - simply because iPhone is top dog. When someone is holding a Blackberry taking a photo, no presumtion is made.

Account details were phished, no-one sat at a screen 'hacking' servers and code. No one broke into servers (multiple times, over multiple months) and had free access. Information was phished - that's not about being an apologist, it's about being real. Poor passwords and security answers played a massive part in all of this.

You're totally right. But it doesn't fit into a news soundbite or headline, so they revert to sensationalism.
 
Not always. Some password allow significant number of characters. They can make a nonsensical sentence up.
I_live_at_BMWVille for instance for a car nut, or even I_l1ve_at_8MWVille

I am only partially convinced that sentences will help. I have watched people forget meaningful passwords that they typed in moments ago. Less than 5 minutes ago. In many cases I remembered their passwords better than them. I swear to you passwords are difficult for the general populace. People who were introduced to the concept earlier are much better with it but it is still difficult.
 
Durr, his previous comment said "I don't blame Apple, I blame the celebrities." It's victim blaming.

You are correct. I am blaming the victims of this for being stupid with security. How many times do people have to reiterate some passwords and security question answers?

This is like locking your door then hiding the key under the mat and being mad your house for broke into.

Yes it sucks they had there accounts comprised and yes it is wrong but this isn't a new type of attack and I don't feel sorry them. Especially when at least one directly blamed Apple for her lack of intelligence with using security. And personally I think Apple would be well within their right to sue for slander since now they are taking the blame for something that is not their fault.

Call me a fanboy or apologist or whatever but even the best security the Apple or anyone provides can't protect stupid people from themselves.

As an example. I had a coworker that got a 5S last year. He was super excited for TouchID. But then I saw him swipe the phone open without using the ID. When I asked why he didn't set it up, he extolled to me how awesome it was because it detects the fingerprint on the screen as he is sliding his phone open. It never failed, he thought it was awesome. The problem was of course that he read a "story" mocking TouchID and thought the story explained how it work by scanning his finger on the screen. He never set it up. He thought he was safe because he was being stupid. Just like the celebrities, they thought they were safe with a strong password, forgetting like many that the password is only as strong as the security questions to go with it.
 
But that's not what happened. That's what someone claims might have happened, but it's not what happened. The victim left the door open. Some "security researcher" in quotation marks noticed that if a victim left their key near the window, someone might get it without being noticed. But in reality, the thief came through the open door. And while the landlord was first blamed for not putting bars on the window, you know blame him for some hypothetical problem that wasn't the cause of the breakin either.

In reality is not that, there is no real prove of leaving the 'door open' as the cause. You can blame the user all you want, I know I do, but you should also blame the tech, it had a flaw, wasn't corrected and might have been the cause.
 
Now that's cool. Someone links to a python script used for brute force and all of a sudden, that was the script used? When it has been stated before that source of pictures is not sure.

Seriously, it's much easier to break into someone's phone using phising or social attacks than hacking by brute force, specially when most people don't care when connecting to free WIFI networks.

But hey, if Google reads all your personal data to send you the best ads in the world, that's fine :D

Exactly.
They don't know how the breach happened.
Bad reporting to say the least. Then Macrumors just runs with it.
 
This wasn't Apple' fault.

This was fault of the celebrities and really anyone that trusts security questions. Have long security questions set up to help access your account if you forget your password isn't bad unless the answer to the question is public information.

For example, if your entire life is on Wikipedia, do choose "mother maiden name" and "HS mascot".
Almost all websites have this for the form "security" and its up the the user not to put stupid answers to the questions.
Is it good Apple is increasing security and making it more robust, yes. Should Apple be taking the majority of the blame for this situation,no.

Apple (or others) can create the best, most secure software and access the world have even seen. But even that can't protect you if your stupid.

Exactly. If someone can't choose a password that will not be broken with a 20,000 pw brute force attack, then they are an idiot who shouldn't use iCloud.
 
Isn't this a good thing?

Is it just me or wouldn't it be worse if the first time they heard about a bug was when the media got wind of it? Knowing about it 6 months before means they've had time to analyze the issue and at least start thinking about ways to resolve it. If they had just found out now, they might be 6 extra months from any sort of resolution.
 
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