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But we don’t exist in that world. The price is relative to now. Not “what if you never saw an iPhone before...”

yeah, you’re right. But my point was that ur holding a very powerful piece of technology in your hand that is involved in just about everything we do nowadays. Email, messaging, home control, car starting, movie watching, instant news reporting, instant live video, banking, payments, wallet, identification, plane tickets/boarding passes, entertainment, video games, calendars, reminders, notes, and a million more daily tasks. $1100 when u put it all in perspective isn’t all that much really.
 
yeah, you’re right. But my point was that ur holding a very powerful piece of technology in your hand that is involved in just about everything we do nowadays. Email, messaging, home control, car starting, movie watching, instant news reporting, instant live video, banking, payments, wallet, identification, plane tickets/boarding passes, entertainment, video games, calendars, reminders, notes, and a million more daily tasks. $1100 when u put it all in perspective isn’t all that much really.
The perspective was that all the mentioned can be accomplished with a $500 or a $1500 mobile.
 
The perspective was that all the mentioned can be accomplished with a $500 or a $1500 mobile.

No doubt you pay a premium for Apple products. But in the case of the iPhone 11/11 pro I think it’s worth it. I have friends who have cheap phones that all do (mostly) the same thing but the experience can be down right awful. And even the higher end (non-Apple) phones (for me anyway) just aren’t the same in terms of fluidity and overall experience. I work with a guy that’s all in with Samsung and Android and he always has the latest and greatest. So we’re always debating. And as much as I think they are good looking phones and have gotten leaps and bounds better over the years, the half baked features that they sprinkle in every year to try and set themselves apart ruin it for me.
 
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These are pretty small adjustments. 5% on the max? They had to guess future demand and almost nailed it perfect if they are only off by 5%. Even the 11% is not too far off. Although I don’t work in the electronics supply business - maybe these are off by orders of magnitude more than they should be but to me they seem like small differences.
 
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I expected it. $1,100 for a phone is way too much. I’ve purchased iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, 4s, 5, 5s, 6, 6s+, 7, 7s+, Xr, on launch day. I have an engineer job, a house paid off, two brand new Mercedes cars paid off, but I still think $1,100+ is too much for a phone.
I can’t argue. Relatively it is a lot. BUT, it ain’t no phone. If You break down in a year assuming you use it wach day which is prob truw your looking at 3 dollars a day or 12.5 cents an hour . Then you own it on top of that
 
My wife owns an iPhone XR, honestly I see zero to none difference to my iPhone XS as for my daily use case. As for the iPhone 11 with the extended camera options, this will obviously convince even more people.
True. According to consumer research, a better camera is the feature that drives the most upgrades.
 
How much is produced is irrelevant to me as a consumer and matters more to Apple’s competitors.

yeah, you’re right. But my point was that ur holding a very powerful piece of technology in your hand that is involved in just about everything we do nowadays. Email, messaging, home control, car starting, movie watching, instant news reporting, instant live video, banking, payments, wallet, identification, plane tickets/boarding passes, entertainment, video games, calendars, reminders, notes, and a million more daily tasks. $1100 when u put it all in perspective isn’t all that much really.
Everything you mentioned I can do the same on my SE, more than half the price of the 11Pro. Now the only difference is the camera which is not an important priority or top of the list for me. Most of what you list is from the apps, not from the phone itself. I can afford the 11Pro and 11 Pro Max and pay off in full but I can’t bring myself to spend that kind of money whereas the SE does everything I need it for at a much lesser cost. One thing for sure, I am not embarrassed when I am using the SE or leaving it on top of a table when I am out in public.
 
I think we’re just becoming jaded about what we’re actually holding in our hands. If for some reason u were locked away for the last 12 years and had no clue about smartphones and someone brought u an iPhone 11 and a list of everything it could do, I bet you would say $1100 was a bargain.
Good point!!
 
Apple might think people are happy to pay $500, $1000, $1500, $2000 for a phone. They would be wrong.
Just like how Apple is wrong about everything else. Yet, drowning in cash from all these mistakes.

But, when competitors scale back production or cut prices on their phones it’s “strategic realignment” or something. Just certainly not a misjudgment of the consumer base.
 
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How much is produced is irrelevant to me as a consumer and matters more to Apple’s competitors.


Everything you mentioned I can do the same on my SE, more than half the price of the 11Pro. Now the only difference is the camera which is not an important priority or top of the list for me. Most of what you list is from the apps, not from the phone itself. I can afford the 11Pro and 11 Pro Max and pay off in full but I can’t bring myself to spend that kind of money whereas the SE does everything I need it for at a much lesser cost. One thing for sure, I am not embarrassed when I am using the SE or leaving it on top of a table when I am out in public.

Actually you ca easily buy a refurb 32GB SE for about $59 at Walmart now. That's right, you could buy 25 iPhone SE phones for the price of just 1 iPhone 11 Pro Max phones at $1500. That's pretty insane difference in price for a device that functionally does the same thing.

As someone who recently downgraded to an SE from the 11 Pro Max due to a medical emergency where I suddenly needed $1500, well, let me just say its useable but hardly the same experience. It's insanely slower, and the small screen makes me want to throw it into a lake. But it works. That said I can always buy a few more to keep different sets of apps on them now that messages syncs across devices, all while just moving the SIM from phone to phone. This solves the crap battery life of the SE and the limited amount of storage with the 32GB of each phone and keeps me from going totally crazy. the worst thing is the screen size to be sure, but other then that, it's amazing that you can do so much with a $59 phone...even 4K video.
 
Actually you ca easily buy a refurb 32GB SE for about $59 at Walmart now. That's right, you could buy 25 iPhone SE phones for the price of just 1 iPhone 11 Pro Max phones at $1500. That's pretty insane difference in price for a device that functionally does the same thing.

As someone who recently downgraded to an SE from the 11 Pro Max due to a medical emergency where I suddenly needed $1500, well, let me just say its useable but hardly the same experience. It's insanely slower, and the small screen makes me want to throw it into a lake. But it works. That said I can always buy a few more to keep different sets of apps on them now that messages syncs across devices, all while just moving the SIM from phone to phone. This solves the crap battery life of the SE and the limited amount of storage with the 32GB of each phone and keeps me from going totally crazy. the worst thing is the screen size to be sure, but other then that, it's amazing that you can do so much with a $59 phone...even 4K video.
I know what you mean by the shorter battery life and smaller display but I just deal with it. The only thing that annoys me is when I type but other than that it does what I use it for.
 
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