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Apple is in discussions with multiple suppliers of LiDAR sensors appropriate for a self-driving vehicle, according to Bloomberg. The report claims Apple is looking for sensors that would still be considered "cutting edge" four to five years from now.

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As widely rumored, the report claims Apple has been working on a driverless vehicle project for several years. Apple is said to have independently developed most of the necessary software and artificial intelligence algorithms needed for the vehicle, but the so-called "Apple Car" is still believed to be years away from a potential release.

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The Cupertino, California-based technology giant is in active talks with a number of potential suppliers for these laser-based sensors that allow a car's computer to "see" its surroundings, said the people, who asked not to be identified due to the private nature of the discussions. The company has been working on a driverless vehicle project for several years and has developed on its own most of the necessary software, underlying processors and artificial intelligence algorithms needed for such a sophisticated system.
In regulatory filings earlier this month, Korean automakers Hyundai and Kia said they are not in discussions with Apple over development of a self-driving vehicle. Hyundai had previously stated that it was in talks with Apple.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly in Active Talks With Multiple LiDAR Sensor Suppliers for Self-Driving Vehicle
 
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melgross

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not needed for self driving. lidar doesn’t even work in heavy rain. tesla got it right, pure vision is all that is needed for FSD.
No they didn’t. Tesla’s cameras don’t work in rain. Lidar can be made to work in rain, and even in snow, if it’s powerful enough. Passive sensors like cameras are limited. Musk just want to take the cheap way out.
 

mnsportsgeek

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not needed for self driving. lidar doesn’t even work in heavy rain. tesla got it right, pure vision is all that is needed for FSD.
Tesla “thinks” they got it right. I still haven’t seen a full self driving update.

I’m personally hoping Tesla has to retrofit every car they’ve sold because they can’t do it with what they put in the car. I would love that media circus.
 

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that's 1 piece to the puzzle ... the liar players like Luminar have a much greater market opportunity than Apple has to offer at this point ... so, we'll see what really is going to happen ...
 

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And Ultrasonics (which likely don't work in Rain), and Radar. Tesla doesn't just rely on Cameras.
today it relies on ultrasonic and radar, sure. in the future, radar will be removed from Tesla vehicles as it doesn't even work in the extreme cold. ultrasonics may still be needed for current camera sensors, but I think with higher resolution cameras and faster chips, ultrasonics will be removed as well.
 
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Apple is in discussions with multiple suppliers of LiDAR sensors appropriate for a self-driving vehicle, according to Bloomberg. The report claims Apple is looking for sensors that would still be considered "cutting edge" four to five years from now.

Apple-car-wheel-icon-feature-yellow.jpg

As widely rumored, the report claims Apple has been working on a driverless vehicle project for several years. Apple is said to have independently developed most of the necessary software and artificial intelligence algorithms needed for the vehicle, but the so-called "Apple Car" is still believed to be years away from a potential release.

From the report:In regulatory filings earlier this month, Korean automakers Hyundai and Kia said they are not in discussions with Apple over development of a self-driving vehicle. Hyundai had previously stated that it was in talks with Apple.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly in Active Talks With Multiple LiDAR Sensor Suppliers for Self-Driving Vehicle
While Apple is putting the flintmobile together, Tesla is releasing the cybertruck. Saving on Apple products for that truck!!
 
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Apple is in discussions with multiple suppliers of LiDAR sensors appropriate for a self-driving vehicle, according to Bloomberg. The report claims Apple is looking for sensors that would still be considered "cutting edge" four to five years from now.

Apple-car-wheel-icon-feature-yellow.jpg

As widely rumored, the report claims Apple has been working on a driverless vehicle project for several years. Apple is said to have independently developed most of the necessary software and artificial intelligence algorithms needed for the vehicle, but the so-called "Apple Car" is still believed to be years away from a potential release.

From the report:In regulatory filings earlier this month, Korean automakers Hyundai and Kia said they are not in discussions with Apple over development of a self-driving vehicle. Hyundai had previously stated that it was in talks with Apple.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly in Active Talks With Multiple LiDAR Sensor Suppliers for Self-Driving Vehicle
Considering this stock increase noise is actually real, Question of the million is:
Will Apple slow down your car after a year so you upgrade? LOL
 

RadioHedgeFund

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I would posit that Apple buying up LiDAR sensors is actually for future iPhones and iPads rather than a self-driving car.
If you take advantage of it the LiDAR sensor in the 12 Pro is worth the increased cost.

Using it to scan and film things in 3D is revolutionary given the cost of professional gear. The TrueDepth camera gives good point cloud data for smaller items but with the LiDAR sensor you can scan an entire interior.
 
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Romeo_Nightfall

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I would posit that Apple buying up LiDAR sensors is actually for future iPhones and iPads rather than a self-driving car.
If you take advantage of it the LiDAR sensor in the 12 Pro is worth the increased cost.

Using it to scan and film things in 3D is revolutionary given the cost of professional gear. The TrueDepth camera gives good point cloud data for smaller items but with the LiDAR sensor you can scan an entire interior.
Yeah let’s see if they have a vision.
I highly doubt.
 

LooZpl

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It's actually funny because for over a year now the consensus (MobilEye, Waymo, Tesla) has been that LiDAR is not needed for FSD. MobileEye (owned by Intel) has even suspended work on LiDAR-based FSD and is only focusing on CV (computer vision), as is Tesla.

In 4-5 years, using LiDAR will be as good an idea as using mechanical keys on a smartphone.

And if you don't believe a random guy from the internet, I recommend listening to what Waymo's founder says about it ("Musk was right about LiDAR" or a random guy like Jim Keller, who when asked about CV-based FSD replies "I have no doubt that we are closer than you think".
 

rjp1

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Microvision claims to be on track to demo their product in April. It is supposed to be years ahead of all other LIDAR sensors.
 
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