Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
I was gonna cut the cord on baseball last season, but then my team, SF Giants, had the outlier year of their history and won 107 games. I was able to watch every game on mlb.com with the help of a DNS spoofer to elude the blackouts, but several games were available only on YouTube for some stupid reason, and without the home-team announcers.

This year I'm not going to endure the 4-hour games and the endless repetition of the same idiotic commercial 72 times in one game.
 
With Youtube TV, I get the NBA TV channel, which gets me the Warriors @ Grizzles game tonight @ 5 PM :)

If Tim didn't have Hollywood envy, he probably would have seen the wisdom of going the Live Sports route !
 
lmao uhh Tim is a sports fan...

they've probably been working on sports deals for years. it doesn't just happen overnight-- even for Apple.

NO Way !

Tim has been CEO since when ?

Apple launched their TV service when ?

Clearly, Tim is NOT a sports fan !

It was important to Tim, they would have at-least live streamed the SEC Football games !

Make NO mistake, I would love to see Apple offer a Sports-ONLY Live Stream "skinny sub" !

YouTube TV is over-kill for me, don't need OR want 90% of the channels they offer !

ESPN, ABC, Fox, CBS, NBC, TNT, CNBC, & CNN ... is ALL I really need.

If they priced it @ $64.99/2 = $32.50 per month, I suspect many would sign up !
 
Outside the US, people are puzzled who'd pay for Baseball.

In Europe, you'd be hard-pressed to find people to watch it even if they'd get paid....
Your right. Baseball doesn't have much international appeal. The US needs to continue to support it or it will die and MLB is doing their best to make this more difficult.

I used to be a die-hard fan who'd waste 4 hours a day (162 days out of the year) to watch my team. After cutting the
cord I have so much free time now. I'm so happy I did. I still love the game, though...so I do subscribe to the MLB Audio service for $2.99/month during the playoffs so I can listen to any of the games (live or recordered) I desire. I'll multitask and listen while doing other things. It works well. I just have to remind myself to turn the subscription off when the World Series ends or they'll keep charging me.
 
MLS? Joking, right? People want major football not some lame minor league. The PL is covered by NBC and definitely will stay so La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga are the leftovers.
MLS used to be pretty low in the rankings, sure, and it’s still no La Liga or Premiere League, players good enough to play in Europe probably don’t settle for MLS. But it is improving over all and is considered mid-tier these days. With the money investment from Apple, MLS could climb even higher in the rankings.

As for the other comments about soccer/hockey/baseball, US pro sports looks something like this: football vs basketball for #1 (football comes out on top usually, but basketball is a close second, and these positions may flip on a market by market basis), with regionally strong showings for baseball (likely 3rd place), hockey (4th), and soccer (5th). Market by market, basketball or football may be the dominant sport. Key to that tends to be the presence of a pro team in that sport in the media market. (Salt Lake City in Utah tends to be a basketball town in part because of its lack of an NFL team. This, as well as immigration, has allowed soccer and rugby to occupy football’s niche. Indianapolis, Indiana has a pro-football team which does have strong local support, but it’s still mostly a basketball town on account of its role in basketball history and the Pacers [and the fact that the Colts are still fairly new to Indianapolis, while the Pacers are a legacy team]. Chicago has teams in every major sport, but the Cubs and White Sox, being some of the oldest teams in the sport, grant baseball a higher level of significance, relative to the rest of the country. NY is a tough nut to crack on account of having two major teams in every major sport, the Knicks and the Nets in the NBA, the Mets and Yankees in MLB, the Jets and the Giants in the NFL*, Red Bulls and NYCFC in MLS, Rangers, Devils, and Islanders** in the NHL.)

* Both teams play in New Jersey, perhaps lessening their impact on the market overall.
** The Rangers are the only team in the Five Boroughs, while the Devils are out in Newark and the Islanders are out on Long Island. So the Rangers are likely the only team to draw significant support from throughout the metropolitan area.

Of course, football, basketball, and baseball have largely non-conflicting seasons. Baseball begins during the basketball season (around March/April, while basketball is gearing up towards the playoffs). The early season tends to be of primary interest to people who are fans of the sport specifically or fans of a specific team that they expect good performance from, though, so most casual sports fans pay more attention to basketball here. Basketball has its finals in (usually early) June, enabling baseball to take over as the summer sport. Baseball is approaching the playoffs when early season NFL begins. Granted, football fans make up a decent portion of the sports fandom of the US, so there’s a greater emphasis on early season football than there is on early season baseball. Even then, baseball will get some attention from sports fans (especially ones that prefer basketball to football). Basketball doesn’t really get going until after the World Series but does get going before the NFL playoffs. This calendar format makes it hard for another sport to break into the US limelight, since it mostly books the whole year, as far as sports are concerned. The fact that the largest media market in the US happens to have one of the strongest baseball teams and a strong baseball culture also goes a long way to securing baseball’s position in US sports, even as it loses relevance to football and basketball in the country overall.

Factoring in college sports (which are likely co-equals with professional sports in terms of viewership and fan support) changes a few things. Hockey, baseball, and soccer at most schools tend to be at the level of intramural play (which makes sense given that all three sports have development systems, while basketball’s development system largely takes a backseat to college recruiting and football’s development system IS college football). Basketball and football also have the advantage of playing during the academic year, while baseball is usually outside of the academic year. A locally strong college team can take some of the momentum away from potential professional expansion teams. And college sports fans are more likely to be fans of specific teams instead of fans of the sport or casual sports fans. College football largely is on a non-compete schedule with pro football (college on Saturdays, pro on Sundays), while college and pro basketball are on potentially conflicting schedules. Fans of college sports teams tend to have closely held reasons for being fans of their team (perhaps they’re the hometown team of the town you grew up in, perhaps it’s the school you went to, but ethnic and religious factors can also come into play, such as eastern Midwestern Catholics supporting Notre Dame), which means that support tends to stay the same even as fans move around the country.
 
Broadcasting MLB in the US is like broadcasting horse jumping for the rest of the world.
When Apple has live football (“soccer” in the US) then we’re talking!
 
Broadcasting MLB in the US is like broadcasting horse jumping for the rest of the world.
When Apple has live football (“soccer” in the US) then we’re talking!
Sports packages tend to be league and country specific. If MLB is a foot in the door for sports coverage for Apple TV+ that leads to soccer, then so be it. It is likely to be a sport that’s popular in America that’ll be Apple’s foot in the door in broadcasting sports (as they are an American company).

As an aside, the word soccer is probably just as valid of a name for the sport as football is. Both terms are of British origin, and gridiron football (of which American football is an example), rugby, and association football are all “footballs” of British origin (and Gaelic Football is of British Isles origin, and strongly influenced Australian Football, in other words, the British Isles are home to every sport in the world called football). And soccer and gridiron both evolved from the same sport called football (it’s like sweet pies vs savory pies, they’re both “pies” even though they’re dramatically different and “pie” almost exclusively refers to sweet pies outside of the UK). Since “soccer” is an abbreviation of the word “association” (as in “association football”), you could even argue that it’s the more precise term! ;)
 
  • Like
Reactions: EdT
Maybe too many major league sports teams in NYC?
Most likely, yeah. I mean, there’s already another MLS team (NYC is probably the only city to play host to more than one). And there’s a pro rugby (think it’s probably Rugby Union) team in NYC. Plus, I attended an NYCFC game last summer (though it wasn’t in Yankee Stadium, it was in Red Bull Arena, home to the other MLS team, seems there was an event at Yankee Stadium pre-empting the game). NYCFC aren’t terrible, but they are kinda mid-tier (granted, they were playing the New England Revolution, who are the best team in the league).

Edit: I don’t really know why I’m participating so heavily in this thread, though! At best, I’m something of a casual sports fan. If I’m invited to go to a pro game in person (especially with people I know), I’m fairly likely to attend. But I’m not particularly inclined to watch it on TV or streaming or to go to a game in person by myself, even if it’s one of “my teams” playing. I don’t really follow the records of “my teams”, either, or know any players by name. It’s more like, if I’m at a social gathering and the game’s on, I’ll root for “my team”.
 
Last edited:
My god why? Not saying no one likes baseball but there must be a million better uses for the money they would need to spend to get the broadcast rights.

But they’ll probably not do it if they couldn’t make a good profit from it.
 
NOT Rocket Science, if Apple had focused on Live Sports first & foremost, their TV service could have taken off BIG time !

So here we are, January of 2022, & we get this rumor today about what they "might" do in the Spring !

Clearly Tim Cook is NOT a sports fan !

I kinda have my doubts that TC hand picks the program.
 
I would if they can get past MLB's silly blackout rules.

I live a little over 3 hours away from St. Louis. So Cardinals games are blacked out. But I also live about 4-5 hours away from Chicago and Milwaukee and those games (Cubs/ChiSox/Brewers) are blacked out too. Just dumb.

Yeah, yeah, I know...get a VPN. But I don't see why I should have to do that just to watch a friggin' baseball game that's 5 hours away from me. So if Apple can do something about the amount of blackouts, I would be interested.
 
  • Like
Reactions: zubikov
I was gonna cut the cord on baseball last season, but then my team, SF Giants, had the outlier year of their history and won 107 games. I was able to watch every game on mlb.com with the help of a DNS spoofer to elude the blackouts, but several games were available only on YouTube for some stupid reason, and without the home-team announcers.

This year I'm not going to endure the 4-hour games and the endless repetition of the same idiotic commercial 72 times in one game.
I noticed the same 3 commercials repeating over and over situation with hockey on ESPN this year. It may have been true in the past for NBC Sports as well. And every sport seems to have creeping game length. One reason I’ve quit following football (US version) as closely as I used to, especially in the playoffs. Playoff games are intentionally staggered with enough time in between that a game can be 4 hours long even without overtime. And just like what has already happened in the NBA, 5 minutes of game time is becoming at least 3 times that long in actual time.

Baseball reached that level of drawing a game out seemingly endlessly a long time ago. I go see a local minor league team a couple of times a season and whatever baseball fix I need is satisfied for a season. Still not quick games but a lot shorter than the pro’s on TV, even if you include driving to and from the stadium.
 
If Apple can work out the blackout parade during the year, I would probably sub. I would also like to see Apple offer hockey. I would definitely sub hockey.
Not sure I will give Apple (or anyone else) my no condition support for broadcasting any sport, but especially hockey. US broadcasters are trying really hard to work in defined stoppages and are already pasting ads on the dasher boards and the glass behind the goalies. And I’ve heard that the NHL has looked at allowing sponsors names on jerseys. I personally would pay more for no blackout coverage with limited commercials but most people wouldn’t, so stations are trying to squeeze in as many ads wherever they can and it will probably get worse.
 
Sports packages tend to be league and country specific. If MLB is a foot in the door for sports coverage for Apple TV+ that leads to soccer, then so be it. It is likely to be a sport that’s popular in America that’ll be Apple’s foot in the door in broadcasting sports (as they are an American company).

As an aside, the word soccer is probably just as valid of a name for the sport as football is. Both terms are of British origin, and gridiron football (of which American football is an example), rugby, and association football are all “footballs” of British origin (and Gaelic Football is of British Isles origin, and strongly influenced Australian Football, in other words, the British Isles are home to every sport in the world called football). And soccer and gridiron both evolved from the same sport called football (it’s like sweet pies vs savory pies, they’re both “pies” even though they’re dramatically different and “pie” almost exclusively refers to sweet pies outside of the UK). Since “soccer” is an abbreviation of the word “association” (as in “association football”), you could even argue that it’s the more precise term! ;)
I thought about replying with the same information about the name “soccer”. The English had rugby, which was also called football in England and both Canada and the United States adopted that sport and the name “football”, and then started changing the rules so that in 20-30 years there wasn’t a lot of commonality left between North American Football and Rugby. Soccer came along to the US later and there was already our version of a sport named football and besides soccer was commonly called “soccer“ even in England up to the 1970’s, so for a minor sport the name “soccer” worked fine. But for most of the rest of the world soccer’s first name for the sport was football, rugby had already been renamed rugby so there wasn’t a conflict there, and US/Canadian football started adding rules and allowing players to hold onto the ball and even throw it using your hand to a teammate, but by that time the heavily modified rugby game was already entrenched here as “football”.
 
I thought about replying with the same information about the name “soccer”. The English had rugby, which was also called football in England and both Canada and the United States adopted that sport and the name “football”, and then started changing the rules so that in 20-30 years there wasn’t a lot of commonality left between North American Football and Rugby. Soccer came along to the US later and there was already our version of a sport named football and besides soccer was commonly called “soccer“ even in England up to the 1970’s, so for a minor sport the name “soccer” worked fine. But for most of the rest of the world soccer’s first name for the sport was football, rugby had already been renamed rugby so there wasn’t a conflict there, and US/Canadian football started adding rules and allowing players to hold onto the ball and even throw it using your hand to a teammate, but by that time the heavily modified rugby game was already entrenched here as “football”.
And for people who complain about a sport where people run the ball down the field being called football, let’s hope they never find out about Australian Rules Football and handballing! ;)
 
After baseball, golf, hurling and for those who count that in, nascar, you’re right.
NASCAR is like hockey, you mostly watch it (possibly under the influence of mind altering substances, alcohol being the one most seem to choose) hoping for the dramatic crash (or dramatic fight in hockey).

Jokes aside, NASCAR driving does actually take a surprising level of physical fitness, mostly because of the intense physical environment within the race car (not to mention the decision making speed and strong reflexes it requires). But I am somewhat seriously convinced that the death of Dale Earnhardt Sr and an understandable increased emphasis on safety after it has caused the sport’s decline in popularity, most people probably were watching for dramatic crashes (or because it was their sport growing up, which is also probably the #1 reason most baseball fans follow their sport).

I’m not really a sport fan (casual at best), but I find that baseball, while slow, is probably a little more accessible as a spectator than basketball, American football, or soccer. Baseball is pretty straightforward. I can usually see that the base runner made it to the base or that the baseman clearly made a clean out. With basketball, soccer, and especially football, there are way too many “wait, what just happened”, “why’d the ref make that call”, and “wait, REALLY, what just happened?!” moments for me to really feel like I understand the game (even if I broadly do).
 
And for people who complain about a sport where people run the ball down the field being called football, let’s hope they never find out about Australian Rules Football and handballing! ;)
I haven’t ever seen Australian Rules Football but reading about it reminds me of a game banned in Jr High that we called “Kill the Man with the ball”. Two teams-whatever number could be divided mostly evenly- goal lines at either end of a field and the point was to run the ball from your goal line to the opponents. If you were tackled-actually WHEN you were tackled- you could try to throw the ball to a teammate. But the opposing team could try to rip it away from you and there really wasn’t any illegal things that you couldn’t do to someone curled up on the ground trying to keep possession of the ball. Kick, hit, jump on them, whatever.

There really weren’t any rules beyond try to run with the ball over the goal line and try to pass it as quickly as possible to a teammate if tackled, or be prepared to get beat up pretty badly until you just got rid of the ball without regard to who managed to get it.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: kc9hzn
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.