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The cable box in my house is a DVR and has pay-per-view content. Studios allow that. Sony has DVRs and is a content provider.

I didn't say anything about the Studios not allowing DVR functionality. What I said was that Apple may not be interested in building in a DVR themselves because they would rather we buy/rent it all from iTunes. The issue I was trying to imply with the Studios is in getting more content into the iTunes store. If Apple builds a fantastic DVR in an :apple:TV 4, the Studios might use that against Apple in negotiations for more content.

Many content providers have odd ideas about protecting their creations, but most potential Apple TV buyers will already have a DVR. Having an Apple TV DVR that allows content purchase would be better for content providers than many existing DVRs that do not allow content purchase.

Yes, personally, I'm all for the "2 birds with 1 stone" extensions. I believe Apple should normalize that USB port and leave the "2 birds" piece to third parties like Elgato (for the "make it also a DVR" crowd) and others for the ("make it also play Blu Ray" crowd). It would also open up the opportunities for all kinds of other hardware add-on + app combinations suitable for the living room (not to mention the opportunity to resurrect the local storage sync option from the first gen version for those of us that really miss that).

I'm not necessarily for building such functionality inside the box as I don't think stuff like that should be forced into the box (plenty don't want that functionality in this device). But the third parties could work wonders with such opportunity... well beyond what just software apps can bring (though I'll happily welcome an app store as what will hopefully be the first step in that direction).
 
Perhaps. If so, Hulu Plus and HBO GO would be enough to get most people excited. I imagine all the people with players on the iPad would go to the ATV eventually too like ABC and other networks. Only questionable one is Amazon Video on Demand since it's a competing platform.

I'm so itching for HBO Go... just sadly, I doubt Concast, er, Comcast, will allow it. (They don't on the Roku, and only just allowed XBox 360 after some pressure and competitors doing so.)

I love that Roku has so many more viewing options, but most of them suck. I don't need all of those, but there a few that would make the ATV a killer device.
 
... Content creators will be much happier with a Balkanized digital world where every studio has their own delivery platform and charges their own monthly subscription fee.

Either that, or they'll make it so complicated/expensive that darknet will start looking like a simpler alternative to many.
 
Hmmm, my AppleTV has just downloaded and installed a new update (5.0.2). There is something exciting coming up at the WWDC for this tiny black box!
 
My dream Apple cinema display (2013) is the Loewe transparent tv that turns into a glass frame for a user customisable piece of artwork that goes from the top of the glass to the floor with cables hidden behind.

It has a slim profile power cord, a Usb 3.0 slot for firmware access, an Ethernet slot and no other cables or connectors on the device itself. Via builtin appletv circuit, it wirelessly (802.ac) or over ethernet connects to all macs, iOS devices or time capsule running as a NAS or an optional accessory which connects via hdmi to your legacy devices (cable box, BR, DVR, eyetv, whatever is approapriate for you). The extension hub sits in a cupboard somewhere with all the junk boxes facilitating and relaying control of content extraction from those boxes.

It has sufficient audio quality so that you don't need a separate hifi. It's smart enough to turn the visuals off or screen saver on if there is no visual input.

The apple devices control the content and run macros to control the 3rd party boxes. The tv is the big screen AV display device.
 
You're probably right but with the right chips being released, and so many part leaks, and an almost garanteed preview of iOS 6 there's nothing stopping it from being released this summer.

Apple is stopping it from being released this summer. I highly doubt they would release a new iPhone before October.
 
I also have Roku and it is an very good product. But I prefer the Apple TV because 1) I like the UI Better and 2) It is the ONLY STB that can process ALL of my iTunes Content and 3) the other features like AirPlay.

I think if it is indeed true that we will have an App Store for the Apple TV then I believe the other STB's (including Roku) will be in trouble. Example: One mfg for the Google TV already bailed at a big loss. I think Apple "could" make it extremely hard to compete if they wanted too.

I just hope if/when Hulu releases an app on Apple TV, it's better than the piece of trash Hulu channel on Roku. That channel is a disgrace to the rest of the Roku platform. Nearly every time I use it, I ask myself, "Why am I giving Hulu money every month?"

That channel is the only channel on my Roku XR box that I consistently (several times a week) have problems with. It won't respond to the remote, or responds many seconds or minutes after I press a button; or, my favorite is when it locks up the Roku box and forces it to reboot itself.
 
I am hoping that an apple tv 3 with 3rd party apps, with the addition of a simple.tv dvr that I just ordered from kickstarter, will be a great solution for my tv needs.

Right now I am running an eyetv setup on my iMac, but the ability to offload the tv duties to a less taxed device would be great.

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Maybe this has something to do with why Mr Cook was spotted over at Steam HQ a few weeks back?

That was debunked.

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/19/valve-co-founder-says-tim-cook-didnt-visit-valve-hq/
 
I just hope if/when Hulu releases an app on Apple TV, it's better than the piece of trash Hulu channel on Roku. That channel is a disgrace to the rest of the Roku platform. Nearly every time I use it, I ask myself, "Why am I giving Hulu money every month?"

That channel is the only channel on my Roku XR box that I consistently (several times a week) have problems with. It won't respond to the remote, or responds many seconds or minutes after I press a button; or, my favorite is when it locks up the Roku box and forces it to reboot itself.
All I can say is I prefer Netflix on my Apple TV over my Roku. Mainly because I can go into the More Settings and see all of the other movies the Actors are in. A search by Actor on either device would solve this. But I do like the MultiQ App on the Roku even though last I checked it did not have search by Actor either. Hard to understand why this has not happened. Seems pretty simple to understand the requirement.
 
Why not hdhomerun?

I have one of there tuners right now (an earlier model) with eyetv. I am hoping to eliminate the need for a computer in the process, freeing it up for other duties, and have the ability to have the computer off and still record tv shows.

I would image for someone with only a portable computer, no way eyetv would be a good solution as you can't record while mobile.

That being said, with my 2011 imac, eyetv works good locally, but it can be a bit spotty over the Internet. On my previous computer (2007 MacBook) it was way to underpowered to work right.

Also, the silicon dust tuner costs about the same as the simple tv kickstarter project anyway. Taking a chance i will admit.
 
I wonder what this will mean for 3rd party developers in terms of requirements to be met or restrictions? In other words, is Apple going to let adult content on their TV devices since all cable and satellite boxes do now? Apple has always had a "no adult" service policy, but now they are entering the TV market with both a settop box (Apple TV box) and real TV it is something to ponder. How can they keep out channels like Playboy TV, Vivid Entertainment, etc. or any other adult service on such an open market if they do compete in this open TV field?
 
This is the ultimate dream. A true a la carte choice without all the added fees (STBs, local taxes). I can see them getting some channels available, however good luck getting the big players to play!

You think disney going to walk away from the fortunes they make with ESPN? Every dish/cable subscriber in the country dishes out $5/month directly to ESPN. The cable/dish ship is slowly sinking, but ESPN is going to hold on tight to their pirate's treasure as long as they can.

Some assume the content creators and cable providers accumulate wealth independently. They don't. ESPN relies on cable just as much as cable relies on ESPN. Also providers own much of their content (see Comcast). They are going to work together to help keep their money machine alive. This means ESPN won't be available outside cable/dish subscriptions any time soon.

Only until the pirates take out the money ship, will the big players swim to shore line of open availability.

**** ESPN. I watch my locals, the history channel and discovery. ****. I just realized I can cut my cable bill in half and just auto download the few shows I watch.
 
No you don't. The device is meant to STREAM not DOWNLOAD the movie. You need very little RAM to stream. What you DO need RAM for is apps.

If you have purchased a HD1080p movie that is stored in your iTunes Library and wish to view it on your Apple TV, it is copied to your Apple TVs memory from your computer and starts playing immediately. If you rent a HD1080p movie on your Apple TV, it is streamed and copied to your Apple TV. You can watch a rented movie as many times as you like within a 24 hour period. Do you think Apple is going to stream it to your Apple TV more than once?
 
Well maybe next year :(

Like others, I too was hoping for Apps on the ATV. But after watching the keynote, I have a better understanding of why this did not happen. I also understand why if Apple was inventing a new product for the TV, be it a TV, upgraded Apple TV, or some other Media Control Box, why it wouldn't appear now.

When Steve says we "cracked the code" on TV, I do believe that they created a better method of the TV user experience. However, this doesn't immediately translate into mass acceptance. Thus, why other products in this area have failed. Same with Tablets. I believe that this is also part of cracking the code. Its a mind-shift and the way Apple does this is to work things in phases by bringing its audience along for the ride. Add additional twists for control that are easy to digest in steps and they and before you know it its common place, which makes these transitions acceptable to other markets.

You can see this shift on the computer side. Based on what is shown is iOS6 & Mountain Lion, you can see that Apple also did this in stages with Lion. They eased into some convergence of iOS into Lion and have upped the ante even further in Mountain Lion and the lines have blurred further. Technologies that are prevalent and refined in software (iOS6 & Mountain Lion) and current and New Hardware (New Macbook Pro, iPad and iPhone4s) play a pivotal role fr a TV product.

- Air Play
- Retina Display
- Siri
- Enhanced Mutli-Touch
- Messages
- Further Social Network Integration

I think Siri is the key. The way Apple rolled it out makes perfect sense in hindsight. Give it just enough of a feature set to entice a user base. Release it in Beta form, so that the user base of the 4s will use it and enhance its vocabulary and functions. Tout it in commercials to bring awareness of this method of control. After the Keynote and the fact that a Siri button will be placed in cars, within the next 12 months is huge. The timing is key as well. iOS6 will be released in the fall with a further commands and functions. Additional API's will be written for Siri and more 3rd party apps will be Siri enabled. By the time the button will be in cars, the new iPhone would have been released and those that had the iPhone 4 will be up for an upgrade. The Ipad3 will also get Siri at the same time so the majority of Apple uses of iProducts will have a Siri enabled device. I know Mountain Lion has dictation, which is probably based on Siri algorithms for speech recognition to text, so I would be surprised if Siri is added to mountain lion as an update at some point as well.

Apps will be released to be Siri enabled. They will also be released to be Retina Display enabled as well. Just makes sense. More things will also become air-play enabled. Apple usually has something up its sleeve so I would be there is a piece to the technology or iOS6 that will not be touted until the new hardware is released. Last year it was Siri :). Once iOS6 is released and apps are updated it would then make the transition to a TV product that much easier. Apps can be easily ported to a TV product and would work from the get go. Resolution and control of many apps would have already been done to port to TV. Once that Siri button starts showing up in actual cars is probably the time that the TV product, whether it be an ATV, Media Center, actual TV or all of the above will be released.

The earliest I see an ATV being opened up for apps is in the fall when iOS6 is released, new iTunes, and new iPhone hardware. Positions sales of ATV's in line for the holiday season. Although, Apple seems to have no issue selling products regardless of the time of the year. The better bet though is when the new iPad is released in the spring. This is when the last ATV was released and about this time is when the 2013 car models start their cycle as well.
 
Airplay being blocked was an anti-piracy move.

Since ATV sends its output over HDMI... it's not a concern.

You can't send it out via HDMI either with HBO.

1) They don't want people to bring an iPad to someones house and have viewing parties

2) They get huge income from cable companies for subscriptions and cable box rentals
 
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Following up on its report from last week claiming that Apple will show off the operating system for its future television set product at next week's Worldwide Developers Conference, BGR now briefly reports that Apple will be using the event to introduce a new software development kit (SDK) to allow third-party developers to build apps for the Apple TV.The report reveals no other details on Apple plans, but we do note that Steve Jobs himself admitted just as the revised Apple TV was launching in September 2010 that the company could open an App Store for the Apple TV "when the time is right".

With rumors of an Apple television set continuing to build, Apple may now consider the time right to begin allowing developers to build apps for the existing Apple TV set-top box ahead of the company's larger entry into the market.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly Set to Open Up Apple TV to Third-Party Developers at WWDC

sooo disappointed with WWDC. Already saved up for the Apple TV :mad:
 
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