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Apple Reportedly Tapping TSMC for 20-nm Quad-Core Chips with Late 2013 Production

Cheffy Dave said:
Sorry, but Lightning will be the new connector, across the board, from here on out:cool:
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No one is questioning this, I guess what I'm saying though is that Apple is still selling older iPhone and iPod touch models with the old doc connector, so yes, the new iPad will have Lightning, but the question is will they update the iPad 3 NOW or not. I say not, we are less than five monhs from the next ipad
 
theBB said:
If you buy all of the outstanding shares of a company, you own all of the company, as you own 100% of the decision making capability. Are you arguing about price vs. value? :)
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no you don't...


Let's look back at our company CTC. From the previous example, we know that this company has 1000 authorized shares. If they offered 300 shares in an IPO, gave 150 to the executives and retained 550 in the treasury, then the number of shares outstanding would be 450 shares (300 float shares + 150 restricted shares). If after a couple years CTC was doing extremely well and wanted to buy back 100 shares from the market, the number of outstanding shares would fall to 350, the number of treasury shares would increase to 650 and the float would fall to 200 shares since the buyback was done through the market (300 – 100).

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/030703.asp#ixzz29INJgRGv
 
mossme89 said:
Clearly I'm no expert, but why do these chips take so long to manufacture? I would think 6 months tops. Let's say 1 month for design, 1 month for final design/manufacturing, 2 months for testing/tweaking, and 2 months to get the final product ready.
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You're off by over an order of magnitude for just the design phase. Complex SOCs can take somewhere around 2 to 3 years, from start of architectural investigation to first tape-out, even with a team of many dozens of top engineers. Even small graduate student projects can take a full academic year. Figuring out a correct and useful place for a few billion sub-micron wires is non-trivial.
 
Ries said:
no you don't...


Let's look back at our company CTC. From the previous example, we know that this company has 1000 authorized shares. If they offered 300 shares in an IPO, gave 150 to the executives and retained 550 in the treasury, then the number of shares outstanding would be 450 shares (300 float shares + 150 restricted shares). If after a couple years CTC was doing extremely well and wanted to buy back 100 shares from the market, the number of outstanding shares would fall to 350, the number of treasury shares would increase to 650 and the float would fall to 200 shares since the buyback was done through the market (300 – 100).

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/030703.asp#ixzz29INJgRGv
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Treasury shares are owned by the company, which are in turn owned by the shareholders. If all of the shareholders decide to sell their shares, you will have control of the treasure shares along with everything else the company owns.
 
Technarchy said:
You do know Apple is the largest consumer of semiconductors in the world?
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I doubt that. Samsung is probably the largest consumer of semiconductors in the World. They sell more smart phones than Apple. They sell way more feature phones, TVs, DVD players etc. They also happen to be the largest manufacturer of semiconductor components so they do not need to buy as much as Apple which does not produce anything nowadays.
 
lilo777 said:
I doubt that. Samsung is probably the largest consumer of semiconductors in the World. They sell more smart phones than Apple. They sell way more feature phones, TVs, DVD players etc. They also happen to be the largest manufacturer of semiconductor components so they do not need to buy as much as Apple which does not produce anything nowadays.
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Straight off this site

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/24/apple-ranked-as-worlds-top-semiconductor-customer-in-2011/
 
Technarchy said:
Straight off this site

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/24/apple-ranked-as-worlds-top-semiconductor-customer-in-2011/
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I would probably assume that, that chart does not include what samsung sells to itself.

He does have a point, I would assume samsung as a whole sells far more products than Apple.

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thasan said:
I love the mix of work and play...granted, i dont like angry birds but i like the other fools game... fruit ninja and its variants :p these aren't possible in laptop. I carry by 13 inch MBP when traveling for conferences etc. but I find using iPad more often to check emails and answering them in iPad as it lasts longer, is much lighter and can do what I need it for then. It's a matter of prefs.
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Oh boy, Fruit Ninja :p

I never got it, get a high end netbook, or a mid range laptop for the same price imo.

Then again, people on here complain when a laptop weighs 6 pounds, my Laptop weighs 12 pounds, and I can't even feel it in my bag
 
Its a good thing that Apple is sourcing multiple channels for its components. Recently they went with Japanese manufacturer of memory called "Elpida". They were under loss and the recent Apple order boosted their revenue while giving Samsung the boot.

When you are designing your products with a competitor the competitor sure walks away with a ocean of knowledge. Say what you may about not compete agreements or other legal paperwork, the knowledge is still there, which is more valuable than money.

Sony under Howard Stringer made this mistake by trying to outsource LCD panels from Samsung. I am glad that plan has been put to rest, too.

I used to work for a giant automotive manufacturer and they always had multiple suppliers for their parts. If one supplier had issues they will supplement it with the other supplier and keep the lines running... While there are others who choose a single supplier .. advantage being cost.

The 13" retina macbook pro has a article by a chinese blogger who says "Tim Cook does business different than Steve Jobs. Tim Cook has solely decided to give the whole contract to Foxconn and they are having issues with the new glue used to stick the iMac glass with the lcd panel. So expect delays...."

Too many cooks can spoil the food, but in this case looks like a case of one Cook, spoiling the iMac release date by relying on one supplier.

Who knows if any of this is true? Thats why we call it MacRumors right? :)
 
How about Apple buying or taking a controlling stake in Intel? Intel stock has been tanking lately, it could very well be cheap enough for Apple now..
 
firewood said:
Intel has looked for some amount of foundry business in the past. Some newish FPGA company, IIRC, reportedly used Intel fabs.
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I did some looking around and you're right. Intel does do fab work for FPGAs. And they did dabble in doing ASICs for others but already exited that market.

I can see why FPGAs would benefit them as they're perfect testing grounds for new processes, but I'm not convinced that Intel would re-enter the ASIC business as long as they have dominance in server and desktop CPUs.

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Movaiz said:
A step forward but will it be enough? When is Samsung planning to move to 20nm? And why is everyone at least 18months behind Intel in process technology?
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Intel is always ahead for several reasons:
1) They were one of the earliest players in semiconductors. And before CPUs were around, they were known for their memory chips. They've been around.
2) They own their own fabs and dumps enormous amounts resources into new process research in order to make faster CPUs.
3) They can leverage their memory offerings (SRAM, DRAM, now Flash) in order to quickly test processes on their experimental fabs, while generating product. Also, this might be the only reason Samsung stood a chance into making it the top 5 foundries on this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundry_model)
4) They're even more secretive about their process than other fabs, which is also why they rarely work with others.

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firewood said:
You're off by over an order of magnitude for just the design phase. Complex SOCs can take somewhere around 2 to 3 years, from start of architectural investigation to first tape-out, even with a team of many dozens of top engineers. Even small graduate student projects can take a full academic year. Figuring out a correct and useful place for a few billion sub-micron wires is non-trivial.
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I get the impression he was saying it's 6 months just for manufacturing setup, and didn't include design time?
 
firewood said:
Wouldn't that force Microsoft (and every major PC vendor) to invest heavily in AMD?
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Yeah.. they could go to AMD or move completely into ARM based Windows -RT architecture as their flagship. The latter can flip the whole world into the ARM architecture, ending the dominance of the 3 decade old x86 architecture for good.
 
krravi said:
Its a good thing that Apple is sourcing multiple channels for its components. Recently they went with Japanese manufacturer of memory called "Elpida". They were under loss and the recent Apple order boosted their revenue while giving Samsung the boot.

When you are designing your products with a competitor the competitor sure walks away with a ocean of knowledge. Say what you may about not compete agreements or other legal paperwork, the knowledge is still there, which is more valuable than money.

Sony under Howard Stringer made this mistake by trying to outsource LCD panels from Samsung. I am glad that plan has been put to rest, too.

I used to work for a giant automotive manufacturer and they always had multiple suppliers for their parts. If one supplier had issues they will supplement it with the other supplier and keep the lines running... While there are others who choose a single supplier .. advantage being cost.

The 13" retina macbook pro has a article by a chinese blogger who says "Tim Cook does business different than Steve Jobs. Tim Cook has solely decided to give the whole contract to Foxconn and they are having issues with the new glue used to stick the iMac glass with the lcd panel. So expect delays...."

Too many cooks can spoil the food, but in this case looks like a case of one Cook, spoiling the iMac release date by relying on one supplier.

Who knows if any of this is true? Thats why we call it MacRumors right? :)
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Almost all chips are dual sourced, in case something goes awry at one plant there is a backup fab that is all ready qualified to ramp up production. Famous case in point, the now closed Philips semi plant in Albuquerque. That plant was a major producer of chips for cell phones. A fire in 2000 closed the plant for some time. Here is an interesting article about Nokia and Ericsson, and how they reacted to news of that fire.ftpress.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1244469
 
jacksonkeller said:
Almost all chips are dual sourced, in case something goes awry at one plant there is a backup fab that is all ready qualified to ramp up production. Famous case in point, the now closed Philips semi plant in Albuquerque. That plant was a major producer of chips for cell phones. A fire in 2000 closed the plant for some time. Here is an interesting article about Nokia and Ericsson, and how they reacted to news of that fire.ftpress.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1244469
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I am not saying almost every part is from one source but the majority of them. When it comes to paint in my experience some auto manufacturers choose just one vendor (PPG for example) and others choose more than one.
 
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