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Apple Reportedly Working on 90Hz Studio Display, iMac, iPad Air

There is no way there will not be a 120 Hz display in 2025 because of T5.

To me it means the XDR will be 120 Hz and they will gimp ASD to 90 Hz and vitamin D deficient Timmy will be shouting "It's amazing!".
 
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Admiral said:
I already have a reasonably priced 5K2K monitor ($725), and it has 120Hz refresh rate and a zero dead pixels guarantee. Some gamers have groused about the pixel response rate being "low" (i.e., not 2ms), but I haven't noticed any ghosting or blurriness, so I suppose it's well-matched to 120MHz. Anyway, I mainly do Microsoft Word, email, and light video editing of a guy mainly sitting in the same place and talking. If it were NASCAR or UFC maybe I'd be dissatisfied.

Apple Studio Display at 90Hz is a Don't Buy! for me. A shame, as I have heretofore been a pretty solid customer for Apple displays.
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Can you share a link to that monitor pls?
 
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I doubt this is for phones, this is LCD displays while the phones all have OLED now.

either way, 90hz is just as good as 120hz and I have not noticed any difference.

BUT... it's so Apple to use 90hz YEARS after everyone else moved to 120hz from 90hz.
 
SmugMaverick said:
I doubt this is for phones, this is LCD displays while the phones all have OLED now.

either way, 90hz is just as good as 120hz and I have not noticed any difference.

BUT... it's so Apple to use 90hz YEARS after everyone else moved to 120hz from 90hz.
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Who is making a 6K 120Hz screen then?
 
But why tho?!?!? Just give it ProMotion?!? It’s a friggin two thousand dollar display. Just make it a larger version of the MBP display so they are uniform when working between them.

Geez this feels stingy. I’m sure it’s still going to be an amazing display, as all of apples displays are, but why can’t we just have a 27” 5K display that matches the one on our MBP?

The product line needs to simplify:

Names:
StudioDisplay and ProDisplay

StudioDisplay: 5K, miniLED, ProMotion, matches MBP display, $1500-2000

ProDisplay: 6K (8K can’t do more than 60Hz), miniLED, ProMotion, great color tech for the people that need it, $3,000-3,5000
 
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Admiral said:
40LGD5KGM 나노IPS 5K FAST-120 커브드

I picked this one up on a tourist visit:

www.crosslcd.co.kr

크로스오버존

2000년부터 지금까지 꾸준히 디스플레이를 만들고 있습니다!
www.crosslcd.co.kr
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So the LG 40LGD5KGM. if you managed to get that for just $725 then you've got an absolute bargain. Even in Korea that was a special discounted offer then. The EU/UK version would be the 40WP95 which is nearly double that.

Well done!
 
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I wonder will this be 90 Hz to 1 Hz VRR? That could also apply to the iPhone 17 and iPhone 17 "Air" models, too in order to keep the screen production cost down.
 
stevemr123 said:
I doubt this rumor (from a random anonymous source...) is valid. Simply too much 60Hz content out there which do not scale nicely to 90Hz (every second frame needs to be doubled or interpolation/telecine is needed, both are awkward and result in a substandard experience). 90Hz is certainly not an ideal choice for a computer monitor.
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Back in CRT days Apple's smaller displays ran at 67 Hz, the larger ones at 72 Hz, or possibly 75. Some ran at 85 Hz. Standard VGA ran at 60 Hz, but they had all sorts of other rates as well. In Europe and other places with 50 Hz power there were other frequencies. Screen frequencies don't have to be locked to multiples of the power lines.

That's actually a good question; how did digital screens get locked to a fixed frequency when the older technology was much more flexible?
 
How much time after this new 90Hz display is introduced will Apple declare the 60Hz Studio Displays obsolete and make sure they won’t work with the latest machines or OS’s?
 
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smirking said:
OK, kinda embarrassed to admit I didn't know this but MacOS has a fixed dpi, but Windows doesn't? Is that just a MacOS thing to try to give the same experience everywhere but with Windows you get to go your own way for better or for worse?
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You got scaling options in MacOS, but it`s probably more flexible with Windows. Having said that, it hasn`t been an issue to me, and I have adjusted the scale for the comparatively short time I have been using Macs. Bottom line would be that if you are able to adjust it to your preferences, it shouldn`t matter, that is sufficient.

Scaling isn`t just an OS thing though, had a hard time getting it right with Dell 27" back in the day, both in Windows and Linux. I`m presently using a bang for the buck 32 4K BenQ, and I got the preferred scale and image in both Windows, Linux and MacOS. Covid and huge supply chain issues put a stop to my ambitions for 40" Dell/LG.

I do believe Apple`s choices for dpi is preferable to the standard offerings, but both high dpi, high hz and monitor size put a strain on the graphics subsystem / transfer rates, which they have to take into account when choosing specs, which would have an impact upon the number of potential customers. Speaking of standards (approx), I believe there are 3 pretty relevant dpi alternatives around; ca 110, 150 and 210.

Mini and Studio is kind of built for tit-for-tat replacements, i.e. getting the better monitor before getting the better mac and so on, and by not completely overdoing it, it becomes possible to tag along spreading costs.

I`m done with 27" and have ruled out 34", Apple`s 32" is way out of my budget, and I haven`t got a sweetspot for high dpi Samsung/LG options either. Guess I`d be looking for 120hz 32" next time around, but I don`t actually feel the need for 120hz, and would prefer better color and higher dpi. The BenQ is pretty ok for colors but it is a stretch up to what`s needed for commercial usage.

Pretty sure whatever they present will be great, but my wallet will certainly hate it if it were to become involved ;)
 
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Biro said:
How much time after this new 90Hz display is introduced will Apple declare the 60Hz Studio Displays obsolete and make sure they won’t work with the latest machines or OS’s?
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Don`t know. Believe it`s a user option. They ship you a box of black paint and let you choose if you want to use it or not.
 
fullauto said:
Ridiculous.. all the money in the world and can’t do 120Hz. Moves like these show you up Apple.
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Oh boo hoo! If they announced 120 Hz you’d be whining that it’s not 144 or 288 or 3,000.

90 Hz will scroll a lot faster and more smoothly than 60. It will be a noticeable difference. 120 Hz is a gamer thing and if you want gaming, Mac isn’t your platform anyway.

Pro Mac users want extremely high visual quality. There are only about two PC monitors you can buy that are as good as Apple monitors. Those 144 Hz variable refresh PC gaming monitors don’t display colors as well. It’s fine if you’re a gamer boy and it’s a big market but Mac buyers won’t accept lower image quality for higher refresh rate.
 
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vantelimus said:
Good observation. Thunderbolt 4 is 40Gbps and can support a 5k or 6k monitor at 60Hz. A 90Hz 5k monitor requires 31.85Gbps and a 120Hz 5k requires 42.36Gbps. So 120Hz 5k is just out of range for Thunderbolt 4.
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Just go for 120hz and lower refresh rate to 90hz if it detects an older Mac with TB4
 
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The way I finally pulled the trigger on a Studio Display YESTERDAY. 😭 should I return it? Idk what to do now.
 
Clearly Apple chose 90Hz instead of typical 120Hz panels as there are probably warehouses full of the unwanted 90Hz screens in China and Apple got a great deal on them. Every decision they make that doesn't make consumer sense is for their profit.
 
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city_17 said:
Would 90Hz work with the older Thunderbolt 4 devices? Can't really think of any other reason they would go for 90 over 120Hz otherwise.

In a way I can understand it though, why release a 120Hz monitor that only works with like 2% of Macs out there at the moment? Once market share of TB5 is higher, we'll see 120Hz 5k devices take over.
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A 120Hz monitor can also function with a 90Hz refresh rate. Therefore, a TB4 Mac is only utilizing a portion of its potential.
 
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A FIXED 90Hz display sounds like it will use more power than the current fixed 60Hz displays. That is not significant for the Studio Display or the iMac but would result in faster battery drain in a battery powered device like an iPad
 
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