You will always be able to turn off a camera not in use otherwise you lose sales to a competitor who does allow you.
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Apple Reportedly Working on Touchscreen Macs, Including MacBook Pro
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You will always be able to turn off a camera not in use otherwise you lose sales to a competitor who does allow you.
Maybe it's a conspiracy theory, maybe it's closer to reality than some are comfortable with admitting. While I haven't talked to developers on the subject of processor and thermal limits we do know the App Review team is inconsistent about enforcing their own rules in other areas so we can be sure they're also not being consistent about enforcing performance rules.
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You’re confirming the problem. if iPad apps can heat up the iPad then macOS and macOS apps would burn up the iPad completely, damage the display that sits on top of the CPU, and throttle badly. If you have a cover on the back of your iPad that slows down the release of heat. The iPad Pro is not like a MacBook Air because of these issues. It is designed to run software optimized for a tablet only.
It’s not suitable for full macOS and macOS apps.
It’s not suitable for full macOS and macOS apps.
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What I'm confirming is you are making a mountain of a molehill. If they built the hardware in a way it was possible to burn up as you describe there would be a deluge of articles warning people to take it easy on their iPads. Instead we have articles encouraging the use of those heavy apps.
My job involves working with restaurants to setup point of sale systems on iPads and other systems. The only display damage I've encountered is maybe 5% of units yellowing on one edge when they've been left running 24/7 for about a year. One iPad in particular is A) on 24/7 B) been in service for 2+ years C) connected to a VGA out adapter and D) about a foot away from heat lamps keeping it toasty warm (despite warning them against it). And its screen doesn't have any yellowing.
Besides, let's both be honest that it's far more likely Apple would make separate hardware for a touchscreen Mac. Maybe thicker, maybe an entirely different form factor.
Why? just why? I don't even use my touchscreen Windows laptop. only barely. So wtf is the whole point of bringing touchscreen features to a Mac? wouldn't it cannibalize the reasons for buying an iPad? like the whole point of buying an iPad is for portability and touch screen features, drawing capabilities, Apple Pencil, and a small form factor. so doing this, would completely cannibalize sales of the Mac. This just makes no sense at all and Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave right now. Nice job, Apple. The touch screen would only work on an iMac. Besides that, then no.
You can't convince people who want an internet argument 😂 There are people who insist Adobe products should be almost free, that they can use virtual reality helmet 12 hours a day without problem, that self driving cars are easy and they can just sleep in the car while it drives around, that they can just play video games and let robots do all the jobs in the world.
I didn't invent this, these are things people post and demand to be taken seriously.
In other words, not an iPad. So there was no point laying into someone who said the same thing.
If you read his arguments he was saying if someone dared to boot macOS or run a single actual desktop app on iPad it would practically burst into flames.
It would be an “iPad” as in display, processor, and battery in the same chamber.
Did I say they are? macOS as it is right now will not work with touch. I tried from my ipad and Remote Desktop.
Apple is very obviously making iPadOS more useful on a desktop environment with windowed apps and full external monitor support. If macOS had touch screen support I cannot even begin to imagine people complaining about dirty screens and hard to touch widgets. Easier on a very big screen, very difficult on a laptop screen. The OS would have to be majorly redesigned in some way. As for "macOS on iPad", that's not going to happen because it says "macOS" in the name 😂 and it would have to be a very cut down lighter version to be able to run well on a tablet. But that's what iPadOS is becoming anyway!! 🤣😝
He's (we are) talking about hardware, you are raving about software. He is not wrong in saying the hardware is virtually identical now on the tho classes of products. Which means they could handle the same software, given bigger battery and better optimization.
You cannot talk about hardware without talking about how the software runs on it and this subject was about running software (macOS) on an iPad Pro. macOS consumes a lot more resources both in terms of memory and storage than iPadOS and macOS apps consume a lot more CPU/GPU power than iPadOS apps.
Look, this shouldn’t be difficult to understand because we have an example. There are Windows based tablets and they all run hot and noisy. We know what happens already. Microsoft knows this too and created a lite version of Windows for tablets and foldables.
Surface Duo 3: Third time is not the charm - OnMSFT.com
Microsoft's rumored move to a single screen foldable marks the beginning of the end of its third try at smartphone relevance.
www.onmsft.com
When it comes to the iPad, it runs an OS made for it. It’s called iPadOS. Apple is making it behave more desktop like. There’s no discussion about making it dual boot different systems.
If any changes to the iPad line, we get an iPad Max with spacious display which makes iPadOS’s new windowing and Stage Manager more practical.
On the other hand, my 5 year old son couldn't fathom why my MBP screen wouldn't be a touch screen. Maybe it's not intuitive to those of us who grew up in the pencil eraser mouse era, but it'll be interesting to see how things change in this regard in the next 10 years. Personally I think macOS should pretty much just be on the iPad at this point as a "pro mode" or something.
Did you mean to link a different article? What you posted is about a potential future iteration of the fanless Surface Duo phone running Android, not Windows. And the article doesn't mention heat.You cannot talk about hardware without talking about how the software runs on it and this subject was about running software (macOS) on an iPad Pro. macOS consumes a lot more resources both in terms of memory and storage than iPadOS and macOS apps consume a lot more CPU/GPU power than iPadOS apps.
Look, this shouldn’t be difficult to understand because we have an example. There are Windows based tablets and they all run hot and noisy. We know what happens already. Microsoft knows this too and created a lite version of Windows for tablets and foldables.
Surface Duo 3: Third time is not the charm - OnMSFT.com
Microsoft's rumored move to a single screen foldable marks the beginning of the end of its third try at smartphone relevance.
When it comes to the iPad, it runs an OS made for it. It’s called iPadOS. Apple is making it behave more desktop like. There’s no discussion about making it dual boot different systems.
Indeed macOS can make use of more resources than iPadOS, that does not mean it has to. iPad Pros for several years now have had 8 and 16 GB of RAM with an M1 that outperforms even the best Intel Macs from just a few years ago. Sure, go ahead and downclock or disable cores in the M1; only Cinebench Youtubers and people running After Effects at the Florida beach with 100% brightness will notice.
I really feel this is what's going to happen in a decade or two if Apple doesn't make touchscreen Macs.
The coming generations who've grown up with iPads and touchscreen Android/Linux and Windows systems will be touch first/preferential and expect it to be there. Right now the Mac is the sole desktop platform without touch. To stay relevant to todays kids and their kids Mac will have to adopt touch or be absorbed into iPadOS.
I for one would prefer the Mac stay around.
I keep going back to the idea that MacBook Pros with touchscreens wouldn't just keep the current form factor / laptop design. It may look the same but somehow you'll need to remove the screen to use it as a proper tablet for touch and pen. Similar to how the Surface Studio laptops work. Or how the iPad Pro and Magic Keyboard work.
And I would think the biggest reason for adding a touchscreen to an MBPro would be for those creatives that need touch/pen input apps that the iPad can't cover.
Really comes down to this: if you can't fathom a touchscreen Mac, this product ain't for you.
And I would think the biggest reason for adding a touchscreen to an MBPro would be for those creatives that need touch/pen input apps that the iPad can't cover.
Really comes down to this: if you can't fathom a touchscreen Mac, this product ain't for you.
iPad OS and workflow is a Mess and a horrible experience for high end productivity. What is needed is a touch based MacOS. of course i can be done. Let it run on new 14" and 16" ipad pros.
with a pen you can do anything a mouse do. i never used a mouse for the last 20 years on MacOS. and now with hoover on the new ipad. it should be a nobrainer.
with a pen you can do anything a mouse do. i never used a mouse for the last 20 years on MacOS. and now with hoover on the new ipad. it should be a nobrainer.
I would get one. I already use the iPad more than my MBP, but would love Pencil input for apps like Photoshop and access to Final Cut on a device that can also handle touch.
Personally, I would be happy if more “pro” apps (fully) came to the iPad, but if this is the only way ( other than needing two separate devices) to have it all, I am in.
I would expect them to make it an option at first, so those not wanting it could still get a screen without it.
Personally, I would be happy if more “pro” apps (fully) came to the iPad, but if this is the only way ( other than needing two separate devices) to have it all, I am in.
I would expect them to make it an option at first, so those not wanting it could still get a screen without it.
I imagine you must use every single feature on your laptop. or are you just bitter that they still put a headphone jack on their laptops. I mean, what do people use those for?
What I really want from Apple is a MacOS-based Surface Book-like device. A strong enough base and hing that it can perform effectively on your lap as we’ve grown accustomed to with laptops, and a touch-based version of MACOS (NOT iPadOS) when the screen is removed. That, to me, is the holy grail.
Totally agree with this. I would even settle for this but I can install iPad versions of apps if I wish.
I think we are getting none of it though. For Apple, they see the Surface Pro as proof that the status quo (a separate iPad and Macbook that I lug around) is working fantastically.
I agree…I think there’s 0% chance my wish becomes true
In one sense it is hard to argue with. Every couple of years I sell my iPad and Macbook thinking that one device is so much better than two I can put up with a worse tablet experience (Surface Pro 7 last time I tried). Within weeks I am so frustrated with sleep issues, battery life, inconsistent tiny text, poor tablet-optimized apps, that I howl in frustration and sell the Surface Pro and go back to two apple devices.