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Apple Reports Self-Driving Car Disengagements to DMV, Earns Worst Rank
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Seems to be the problem: reactionary products that are already late and cost way more than the competitors. Before they could pull it off with software or hardware innovation. Those days are mostly gone.
This is horrible for Apple. But what is more horrible, is that all these companies are working "independently" on this new technology, when they all should be working together, hand in hand. After all, these autonomous vehicles will be having to communicate to each other, once they are let loose on our roads. So why not figure out beforehand how all these different makes and models will talk to each other, during their building stages!? It only sounds logical to me.
Perhaps each company should share their software amongst each other, and also loan each other a few of their auto-driving autos, so they can also test them interacting together.
When they all put their heads and minds together on this new tech, all of them will win in the long run, and so will we, the consumers.
Perhaps each company should share their software amongst each other, and also loan each other a few of their auto-driving autos, so they can also test them interacting together.
When they all put their heads and minds together on this new tech, all of them will win in the long run, and so will we, the consumers.
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Agree. I was skeptical of Tesla, but after I got my X I am a believer. Never had a better car. I can't ever see buying a gas powered car. I love getting up every morning and seeing the fuel gauge full. And max torque from 0 RPM is just fun!
But, with that said, I am still wary of the Auto Pilot features. You still need to stay in the loop and monitor it, since you are ultimately responsible. I am a pilot and do the same thing when I use the AP on a plane. I am not sure I will ever add the Full Self Drive option.
Yes, I bought AutoPilot but I am very wary. It hasn't failed me yet but I always watch it like it will.
My wife said there's no chance she was driving it to work when we first got it. Now she says there's no chance she's driving anything else again.
I'm curious. What is your electric bill like after buying a battery car? Have you determined what it costs per mile to "fuel" ?
I'm betting these stats are not very accurate as far as how sophisticated each AI system is. I'm sure some of these tests are very stringent, and others more lax. I'd be shocked if Waymo is testing in very extreme and highly complex conditions.
I haven't had it long enough to know but there's no doubt it's cheaper than gas. However, the high cost of the car offsets that so pretty much I figure it comes out even. However, I live in an area with the highest gas prices in North America (Vancouver area) so I don't know how it balances out everywhere else.
Ok, 2018 data is up at https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2018.Will be interesting to see when the 2018 data goes back up at
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testing.
Bingo.
Feel free to look at the Tesla disengagements vs. Google/Waymo for the other years.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2017
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2016
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2015
For those lacking context, one can read up at https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testing until the 2018 data goes back up.
LOL. See https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/c...596f2625a7f/TeslaMotors.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CVID=. Tesla did 0 autonomous miles on CA public roads (again) for the reporting year 2018.
Then how did Apple manage to pull unicorns out of their behind when he was there?
True, but it's not linear. Surely, getting the first mile is the hardest. After that, a little tweaking will give you 10, then a little more ...
Not saying there isn't a chasm between them, but the spread in effort is probably less than 10x.
"Introducing Apple Car Series 2, our safest car ever."
I don't know if this is a big deal. A disengagement just means the car couldn't, with extreme confidence, make a decision. The software probably "could" have made a good decision but what Apple doesn't want is an accident on the record. They're just "playing it safe" IMO because the media freaks out every time a car gets in an accident.
This must be my lucky day!
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...formance-may-not-be-so-bad-after-all.2169670/
I really have not done enough record keeping to know. There is only one meter so it is all mixed in with my home's electrical costs. I will say our overall consumption of electricity is up approx 10%. But we have had a cold winter in Northern CA so some of the change may be due to increase heating requirements.
I also have free Supercharging on my car, and take advantage of that about once a month.
Most of Waymo's testing is in real life scenario. In Northern California we have seen their vehicles since 2009 or so all over. You see them at the supermarket, you see them on the interstates, you see them at malls, ski resorts, and pulling into Starbucks, etc. They have a lot of data when compared to other companies.
It’s a real shame that Tim Cook tried to get in on this autonomous vehicle thing instead of more realistic tech that Apple already had some expertise with. For example, the entire tech industry sat around doing nothing for smart doorbells until Ring, an upstart, came along and took hold of the market. Amazon bought Ring last year. Apple could have totally dominated smart doorbells if they had gone into that 5 years ago instead of focusing (and failing) on self-driving cars.
Boy, Tesla's naming of the 'feature' and their marketing seems to have worked really well, huh?
That's the thing... less disengagements could just mean they are way overconfident, covering up dangerous driving. (cf. Uber... so few disengagements, they ran a lady over without one)
The Tesla that ran the Apple engineer into the barrier, killing him, didn't disengage either.
With 'AI' cars, the more disengagement, the better, apparently. Full disengagement is the best, so a different kind of AI (actual intelligence) is driving it.
So far, this is just unfounded speculation. AI vehicles haven't put on enough miles yet to really have a good comparison... and they've already racked up several deaths (so, at the moment, the data points to the opposite conclusion).
Unfortunately, there are an increasing number of people who do want them.
But, I think currently, this is mostly being driven by $$$. Think shuttles, taxi, transport, etc. There are huge industries who think they can replace people with AI on the roads. The sales job has been so good on this, as well, that many are convinced it will actually work. (cf. comment and my response right above ^)
Heh, probably not. It's probably just a rubber-stamp kind of report they are required to provide for the privilege of endangering the citizens supposedly being looked out for by said government.
Why... isn't this AI? Humans don't all have to communicate with each other in real-time in order to drive.
Gosh, I hope responsibility isn't the only, or even primary reason, you are wary of it!
Bingo! You should talk to jerryk above.
Yeah, because Microsoft never has bugs, or Tesla (oh wait - fatality 2016), or Google -ooops - theirs was at fault in Feb 2016, or Uber and Volvo - oh - sorry - fatality Mar 2018, Or Tesla again last year - fatality again also March 2018. But yeah, lets go with that “Apple always, and I mean always delivers. . . . Blah blah blah” . Maybe some of the other companies should do a better job of reporting their bugs, and not worry about being first to market. How many people have died from Apple’s autonomous software bugs?
Except they are making their own chips now. This is a documented fact. Please pay attention: I didn't say the chips are currently used in shipping vehicles. Obviously that won't happen until their own chips are ready.
--Eric