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Well, the problem is that if Samsung - and not a blogger or fan - releases and publishes etc. material which was excluded from evidence, this looks rather desperate on their side. Samsung is one of Apple's supliers and might have been in the loop on what they planned to come out with and that is not even reflected here. If someone orders to build a touch pannel a certain size and you hastily try to build a device around a similar pannel, that is blatent copying. I don't know if they did that or not, but I could imagine it.

So you're not a fan of Mark Zuckerberg then either ;)
 
1. Personally I think this makes Apple look desperate. As if they don't believe they can win the case.

2. As far as I can tell (and I could be wrong) nothing that was actually released wasn't already in the public domain anyway.

Funny that you even say that. It's a big deal and Samsung could be easily charged for Contempt of Court based on this release.

Apple surely looks desperate to you Android folks but this is a very valid request on Apple's part as it influences jury's decision. But I'm not the judge. I can see how the judge may reject the request completely, but will take their chances.

On the other hand, this is the 4th sanction that Samsung has received in this case. It clearly shows which side is desperate and desperate for a mistrial.
 
Good for Apple! Let these other companies design their own phones. Samsung's phones wouldn't exist were it not for the iPhone, and Android wouldn't exist were it not for iOS. People claim that Apple's lawsuits hurt the marketplace, but if you want a marketplace that's more than just a collection of Apple products and shoddy Apple look-alikes, Apple has to win this case. That's the only way true competition and real choices will be available to consumers because it will force other companies to build truly unique devices.
 
Excuse me. So Samsung tries to submit evidence well past the deadline, most likely to make sure that Apple has no time to respond in court. And if the evidence was any good, then they would have submitted it in time, unless their lawyers are total morons. Then they are told that this evidence cannot be submitted. Then they have the audacity to go against what the judge tells them and publish all this so-called evidence as widely as possible. And all this makes Apple look desperate. :eek:

You're excused.

So Apple tries to win their case by playing the legal "game" and asking for a dismissal and that's ok - but if Samsung tries to play the legal game - they're cheating.

Ok.

And once again - nothing that was published wasn't already in the public domain. I don't think what they did was smart - in fact - it wasn't - but clearly there was a strategy in doing so - one we might not be aware of.
 
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Sure, but that's the best I could find rapidly. It was still because of that, I didn't link it there to say Samsung's evidence was good or bad, only to state the reason for its rejection. No matter what the site thinks of the evidence itself, the reason is a matter of fact, not opinion.

I'm not going to click on any android link so would you please tell me if that article tells where and how samsung came up with that evidence ? Other than it was late.
 
Yes, Samsung was late in filing it.

I don't think Apple should "win by default" because of this though. Win on the merit of your case and IP. It's not as if Apple itself didn't submit shoddy evidence (the photoshopping of Samsung devices to make them seem more like iPads/iPhones comes to mind).

This isn't what the article is saying.

It's Samsung's many aggressive legal techniques that will potentially make them lose by default.

I respect companies and people that play on the edge. But by doing so you are exposing yourself (and shareholders) to risk.
 
Yes, Samsung was late in filing it.

I don't think Apple should "win by default" because of this though. Win on the merit of your case and IP. It's not as if Apple itself didn't submit shoddy evidence (the photoshopping of Samsung devices to make them seem more like iPads/iPhones comes to mind).

I agree with this. I'm still laughing at it though. :D
 
Funny that you even say that. It's a big deal and Samsung could be easily charged for Contempt of Court based on this release.

Apple surely looks desperate to you Android folks but this is a very valid request on Apple's part as it influences jury's decision. But I'm not the judge. I can see how the judge may reject the request completely, but will take their chances.

On the other hand, this is the 4th sanction that Samsung has received in this case. It clearly shows which side is desperate and desperate for a mistrial.

Yes. Clearly I'm an Android folk because I remain neutral. I'm sure the fact that I have thousands poured into Apple and the Apple ecosystem while only owning one Android device has completely skewered my ability to think clearly. How right you are sir!
 
Yes. Clearly I'm an Android folk because I remain neutral. I'm sure the fact that I have thousands poured into Apple and the Apple ecosystem while only owning one Android device has completely skewered my ability to think clearly. How right you are sir!

Not the first time, here.

There's not a single comment I've seen from you ever in support of Apple or its products. Not that its obligatory though.

Maybe, its there somewhere buried down in your comment profile, but I ain't seen nothing.

Whatever! I'm afraid you can't change my perception.

EDIT: Well, lets just stick to the topic. Sorry for bringing this up. You can simply reply to my other 99% of the post.
 
I originally thought that Apple's battles were about the software designs in Android but they were going through the handset manufacturers. This battle seems to be all about the actual shape of the phone. I think that's far fetched. I remember people with Windows Mobile devices back in the 90s that used touch screens and were pretty much just all screen. If you step back and look at them, the iPhone looks simpler and cleaner, but the overall design isn't dramatically different.

Well it's nice to know there's another person that can remember things prior to 2007

I'm not going to click on any android link so would you please tell me if that article tells where and how samsung came up with that evidence ? Other than it was late.

Very mature.
 
what was the reason?

I think the reason is that it's an American company vs a Korean company in an American court room and naturally the American company must win this. Any other outcome would really surprise me and maybe even restore a little faith in the American legal system.
 
I'm not going to click on any android link so would you please tell me if that article tells where and how samsung came up with that evidence ? Other than it was late.

Uh ? The evidence is internal design documents they have surrounding their project iReen and the F700 announced and demoed in February 2007 with design registrations dating December 2006.

Came up with it ? Every company documents their internal designs, they just searched their archives. Are you not understanding that the rejected evidence is more than just "here's a Sony prototype that inspired iPhone" ? It's much larger than that.

Look, I'm not arguing it all day. Just look at filing that was rejected which contains the whole of it.
 
Samsung is playing badminton, South Korean style. A bunch of cheats and liars...
 
Does look like Samsung is resorting to pulling hair and kicking at the nuts in an attempt to get out of this one.

We copied Apple? This can't be true! Apple copied Sony! And our original designs predate the release of the iPhone! :rolleyes:
 
Not the first time, here.

There's not a single comment I've seen from you ever in support of Apple or its products. Not that its obligatory though.

Maybe, its there somewhere buried down in your comment profile, but I ain't seen nothing.

Whatever! I'm afraid you can't change my perception.

Just because I present facts doesn't mean I am anti-Apple. I'm technology agnostic. And just because I use and enjoy Apple products means that I think that Apple as a company does everything right or that their products don't have flaws, etc.

As I've said in other threads - most of my post history will seem negative so someone completely Apple biased because I don't much care for FUD, opinions, blog posts, etc posted as facts. The fact that there are plenty of members on here who fail to think for themselves and actually do some research instead of relying on hearsay is astonishing. And sad.
 
This whole brouhaha makes our legal system look like it lacks common sense.

AFAIK, all the info was public even before the jury got seated. Apple just didn't want it allowed to be legally considered.

For the same reason (already being public), Samsung didn't need to send the info to journalists. That was just grandstanding, the same as Apple is doing now asking for huge punishment.

My guess is that Judge Koh is going to get very exasperated with both parties before long. That seems to be what historically has happened in every such trial. She already tried to get the two companies to settle out of court.
 
Well, the problem is that if Samsung - and not a blogger or fan - releases and publishes etc. material which was excluded from evidence, this looks rather desperate on their side. Samsung is one of Apple's supliers and might have been in the loop on what they planned to come out with and that is not even reflected here. If someone orders to build a touch pannel a certain size and you hastily try to build a device around a similar pannel, that is blatent copying. I don't know if they did that or not, but I could imagine it.
Edit: PS, Apple lawyers try to win a case here. If they see a chance to get a favourable ruling, they will take that chance. It's not despiration, it's comon sense. It was mentioned that Samsung violated code of conduct four times already. That is not Apple's despiration either, is it?



I wouldn't bother replying to Apple haters on this one. They typically refuse to see things for how they are and will only want to see a case like this continue because of their hate for Apple.
 
I think the reason is that it's an American company vs a Korean company in an American court room and naturally the American company must win this. Any other outcome would really surprise me and maybe even restore a little faith in the American legal system.

Similar to the iPad name dispute in China eh?
 
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