Have you used Android? have you used iOS? have you used BB OS of any form?
This comment sounds of pure ignorance.
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Apple Requests Sanctions Against Samsung Delivering Default Victory in Design Patent Case
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Have you used Android? have you used iOS? have you used BB OS of any form?
This comment sounds of pure ignorance.
Yes, when you claim that Android is a knock off of iOS is because you haven't seen Android in your life. Or iOS
Bruce is going for the quick kill. Risky, but so satisfying.
Lucy has interesting choices. I smell Rotting Kimchi.
Lucy has interesting choices. I smell Rotting Kimchi.
We all know Samsung's legal team emailed them out.
The slides were in Samsung's court filing and motions to have the evidence allowed. Those filings are public record and many sites had republished them prior to Judge Koh rejecting the motions.
Nope... Judge Koh's own words were they were too late in the discovery phase when Samsung added the prototype images.
During discovery is when you argue about what evidence will be submitted to the jury.
It was an error on Samsung's part that may very well bite them in the ass.
100%
She can fine, but not imprison.
Any point commenting in this one? Probably not, seems the majority have labelled Samsung as guilty.
Personally I read this is as an arrogant move by Apple, I thought they came across as pushy and arrogant in their oppening statement too, far more then Samsung did.
I don't want either side to win really as they are both as bad as each other in this case. Apple is a patent troll, Samsung copying ideas.
But when it comes to software, Samsung are clear in my eye's as it's Android no matter what at the end of the day, you can customize it by default, iOS you cannot.
But when it comes to tablets, no one has a case in my eye's.
Personally I read this is as an arrogant move by Apple, I thought they came across as pushy and arrogant in their oppening statement too, far more then Samsung did.
I don't want either side to win really as they are both as bad as each other in this case. Apple is a patent troll, Samsung copying ideas.
But when it comes to software, Samsung are clear in my eye's as it's Android no matter what at the end of the day, you can customize it by default, iOS you cannot.
But when it comes to tablets, no one has a case in my eye's.
EDIT: OK I left a big, poopy Apple fan / Samsung hater comment there. Let's see what happens. Get your popcorn
Hmmm. It's interesting that you would dislike childish behavior on this board and yet engage in it "for kicks" on another. That's pretty telling.
Well said. The outcome of this case is interesting but should not affect purchasing decisions nor should we as consumers get too caught up in it. Limiting your purchasing options as a consumer is a self-imposed punishment based on the disagreement of two other parties. Further, the position of both parties in this case is a bit on the extreme side, I don't think the evidence will support either position but will land us somewhere in the middle.
The best thing that may come of this trial and others like it is that we may see some real patent reform when it comes to software. I personally agree with Judge Posner in that the software industry moves way too fast for the patent office. However, I have a different opinion of the problem and how to fix it. Today, innovators file for patents that don't get issued for 3 to 5 years and by then competitors have already infringed and made the innovation ubiquitous. Once those patents get issued they get enforced after competitors have made material improvements and the industry as a whole suffers as the patent holder essentially tries to kick everybody off his land. USPTO should create a new classification for software patents, issue them within 1 year, provide 4 years of standard protection (exclusivity or standard licensing) and then allow up to three 4-year renewals (each with an increasing cost), but have the renewals restricted to FRAND licensing so the innovator cannot exclude competitors. This would give innovators a five-year head start for their invention (one year to issue and 4 years of protection), it would let the industry immediately know if the invention was indeed patentable, and it would open the invention up to the industry via FRAND licensing after the first 5 years. Finally, it would thwart most patent trolls with respect to software patents since they could not do anything but ask for FRAND licensing fees for most of their acquired patents.
They aren't.
Blame it on lazy lawyers and arcane procedures.
But the Judge does have the final say on what can and cannot be allowed.
The judge could have also allowed Apple more time to review Samsung's late submission, but she chose not too.
She's interested in a fast trial. Why? Because she knows whatever the outcome, it will get appealed anyway.
Didn't check *every* comment page for this (checked a few), but in case this wasn't posted:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012080117581118
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012080117581118
why do these "Sony inspired prototypes" keep coming up? Apple never released a design that was "Sony inspired"- they were just prototypes and it seems like they were really just made to see whether or not their vision of the iPhone was possible. Why worry about the design when you need to get all the sensors, touchscreen, speakers, software, etc right first? After Apple had all of their ducks in a row they created a unique design and then released that to the public. Aside from demonstrating how old their iPhone concept actually is, I don't see the validity of those prototypes.
LOL. So let me get this straight. Your going to back the company who is risking contempt of court to show it's evidence. Exclusions of evidence are rules and rules need to be followed. But clearly, Samsung doesn't like playing by the rules.
When are you going to realize that Samsung is in the wrong here? If the final decision says that Samsung copied Apple are you going to man up and admit your for full of ******?
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It certainly Helps Apple out.
I typically vote with my wallet, but after all these ******** moves by Apple lately, they won't be getting any more of my money. All they do by sueing the **** out of competition is giving me less choice. So **** em.
I wonder how far back Apple's internal documents go... Give up Samsung... everyone knows you copied the iPhone...
I`m sorry, have we met? You must be the authority on OSs.
In our household, we do have both OSs. We used to have BBs. I`m entitled to have any opinion I have from my own observations.
You on the other hand, lose your credibility by useless insults. There is the real ignorance.
working where I would I can only assume that it was not 2 weeks (I know your just saying it as supposedly). It have to be most likely at least 3 years. But, if I was a betting man, it would be 7 years. But, who knows what there laws are in Korea. Could be 2 days, LOL
The slimy lawyers heard how much cash Apple is sitting on and they're determined to drain the moolah swamp. If Apple had taken this case to an attorney back in the mid 70's when they were a green startup company and had little or no cash on hand they would be told they didn't have a case. As it stands now the the dirtbag mouthpieces are slobbering like one of Pavlov's dogs at the prospect of lining their pockets with Apple revenues.
Can't even answer a straight question...
Will you then bow out of threads since you'll just "allow the system to do what it does" ? Because as it stands, you're not just "leaving it to us guys to argue", you're arguing and doing so by siding with 1 side instead of looking at the whole picture.Whatever they decide is what I accept. It's been like that since the beginning. Will you even read and understand whatever ruling is issued though ? If Samsung is found to infringe a small fry patent only, something to do with a single touch screen gesture, will you claim they "copied the whole of iOS" still without understand what was gained/lost by Apple ?
Will we be having this same discussion in a month where I have to explain the Jury's decision and Koh's verdict to you ?
I don't even know how to respond to that. Don't get me wrong, I try to be as agnostic as possible about my opinions of each platform, but I'm *extremely* disappointed in how "pathetic" Apple has been acting lately. My 2c.
Well, I see that outcome differently though. First, Samsung would have to pay (somewhere was mentioned a $1bn or so?) for "lost profits" and "gains" Samsung had by selling the products. Then they would have to pay a licensing fee, I guess, or something equivalent. That would actually make the design something like a FRAND all Androids would have to follow if they are deemed having the same issue (I know it's not a FRAND patent but I just compare it here to simplify).
In my opinion, if Samsung looses, that is not binding for anyone else though. Especially, if Samsung looses on grounds of unfair manipulation and destroying potential evidence, it will not hurt others per se, won't even hust their position too much. It only burdens, let's say LG, that they as LG would have to come up with their own proof that they didn't violate Apple's rights on their intelectual property. If Samsung wins, LG and Co. are falling into a made bed. If Samsung looses, they know they will have to fight Apple on their own.