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Good move by Apple - this is something that should be handled by the OS. People sometimes criticizes Apple's controlling nature, but this is one example where it will benefit people in a big way when you have people installing so many Apps on their phones and trying to make sure that nothing nefarious gets through. All of these App developers and everybody in Silicon Valley acts as if they're upstanding and innocent but the reality is that some of the nicest sounding companies are some of the most sneaky when it comes to these privacy issues. They try and get more data because that is how the digital economy operates. Everybody talks about Facebook privacy issues, but they're really the tip of the iceberg. Everybody is starting to be aware of the issues that are inherent with Facebook and the privacy issues that you need to watch out for on there. The bigger issues come from trusted companies that try and get this data (see Path's incident from a few months back for instance, they had a reputation for privacy when the reality was opposite) but these companies need to be more careful about these types of issues. Look at http://www.dirtyphonebook.com and other sites that leak out this personal data, look at how Google makes this easily accessible to anybody that wants it. That's not good for the web. This is something that needs to be built into the operating system. Apple always gets a lot of heat for various issues where they try and control and direct the user experience, but I think its in their best interest to nip this in the bud right away and not allow API access to this personal data without permission.
 
ah.. can't wait to deny every app of anything on my phone. what ever happened to an app doing what it's just suppose to do and not data mine me.
 
So it's ok to copy from Android. Time for Apple to stop copying and create something innovative for a change. Don't tell me this is the only way to use permission. Same for maps. Looks exactly like Google maps. About 150billion in cash, and they can't create a single innovative map interface. It's as if they copied the whole google map and just changed the name. The colors, the buildings, the roads all look same as shown by Google maps. Be different. Don't tell me it's a map, how else they can make it? Obviously they can make it different if they tried..

A complete change in the maps application would be quite a jarring experience for most users. It makes the most sense to improve on what they had before, not reinvent it for the sole purpose of being different.

By the way, what's wrong with this permission system? How would you improve it? Anyone can say a company should be more innovative, few can actually defend the statement.
 
a lll these security popups in ios6 and mountain lion remind me of

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which apple criticised so heavily in vista.

Fortunately it isn't at as intrusive. There are no permissions to review when downloading from the App Store and no barrage of pop-ups when first launching an app. The security dialogs appear once: The first time an app tries to access data it's not privy too.
 
useful but i never found the privacy thing to be an issue. I put all my user data on the phone but I never felt it was being used inappropriately.

Perhaps you have no concerns about privacy, but there are one or two of us who would like to have as much control over the information about us as possible - no matter how little that is!

As for your lack of concern...just opt in to any request for you private information. I'm sure the folks in your Contact book will be thrilled.
 
Anyone know why iPhoto and iMovie need my location?

I wonder if they will change this in ios 6
 
So it's ok to copy from Android. Time for Apple to stop copying and create something innovative for a change. Don't tell me this is the only way to use permission. Same for maps. Looks exactly like Google maps. About 150billion in cash, and they can't create a single innovative map interface. It's as if they copied the whole google map and just changed the name. The colors, the buildings, the roads all look same as shown by Google maps. Be different. Don't tell me it's a map, how else they can make it? Obviously they can make it different if they tried..

What the hell are you talking about? Maps have AWLAYS looked that way. Even paper maps. Google' didn't invent that look. Hell Google's maps look exactly like MapQuests maps. The 3d flyover Google demoed was a copy of Apple's flyover which they bought a year or two ago from a company called C3, a spin off of Saab.

And what's with fandroids always claiming Apple copies from Android. Sure, Android may have a feature before iOS, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist somewhere else before Android. Apple has been in the OS business for over 30 years. Google, 5 years. Just about all of Android's features come from some other platform. Good lord, at least Apple was willing to throw conventional user interfaces and deliver something completely new; a multi-touch interface that works with just your fingers. Which coincidentally, Google copied.

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Anyone know why iPhoto and iMovie need my location?

I wonder if they will change this in ios 6

Geotagging purposes.

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By the way, what's wrong with this permission system? How would you improve it? Anyone can say a company should be more innovative, few can actually defend the statement.

Apple handles the permissions just how they should be, when the app tries to access any personal information for the first time, ask the user if it's okay. If they agree, then the app gets access from then on out. The user can later turn off access in the settings.

The settings also show which applications have accessed which information within the last 24 hours, so you can see what each app is doing.
 
There better be an option to disable this. I don't want all that @#$% coming up on my screen, and I don't care about the apps accessing my data.

But I want an option to disable the network for some apps. I'm sick of stuff trying to save my high scores.

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Fortunately it isn't at as intrusive. There are no permissions to review when downloading from the App Store and no barrage of pop-ups when first launching an app. The security dialogs appear once: The first time an app tries to access data it's not privy too.

That's good but still slightly annoying. I already have to go through a lot of screens to download an app.

"Do you want to install?" "Enter the password to buy this app for $0." "The license agreements have changed. Read them." "OK, now download your app." "Do you want this app to get your location?"

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What the **** are you talking about? Maps have AWLAYS looked that way. Even paper maps. Google' didn't invent that look. **** Google's maps look exactly like MapQuests maps. The 3d flyover Google demoed was a copy of Apple's flyover which they bought a year or two ago from a company called C3, a spin off of Saab.

And what's with fandroids always claiming Apple copies from Android. Sure, Android may have a feature before iOS, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist somewhere else before Android. Apple has been in the OS business for over 30 years. Google, 5 years. Just about all of Android's features come from some other platform. Good lord, at least Apple was willing to throw conventional user interfaces and deliver something completely new; a multi-touch interface that works with just your fingers. Which coincidentally, Google copied.



You are completely correct. I have a friend who was a total Google fan before they took over Android, and now he's also a total Droid fan. His invalid arguments and constant borrowing of my iPhone to do something his Droid "doesn't" is annoying.
 
The whole trouble with blanket permissions like this is that they don't tell us what the app is really doing with the data. Sure, you want to give some apps access to contacts to help you, but not to transmit elsewhere. Perhaps there needs to be some kind of system log of transmissions that can be read by info-aware testers. Of course, if the data is encypted, that doesn't help.

There has always been a need to trust the application, this is true on desktops as well where there isn't this kind of security or scrutiny, which is ironic, because all the information on my iPhone, is also on my iMac.

I think what will happen after these new data access switches are put in place, is that Apple will be able to assess exactly what the data is being used for and the developer will have to justify the need for it or the app will get rejected.

It is impossible to catch everything and it is impossible to know ahead of time what a developer's intentions are, but at the very least, Apple can revoke a developer's account and ban them from writing apps for iOS again.
 
Anyone know why iPhoto and iMovie need my location?

I wonder if they will change this in ios 6

The data contained in the photos/videos can contain the gps coordinates of where it was taken. This is useful for things such as iPhoto's map feature where you can click on a location and see all the photo's taken there. This can also be a security issue when you send a photo taken at home to someone and they now have your gps location. Hence the apps asking permission to use the feature.
 
You know that can be a nice pick up line at the bar: "xxgilxx" would like to access your underpants. Yes. No.
 
Does this pave the way for the Pebble watch to be fully compatible with the iPhone in terms of sending data to the watch via its app? Cause that would be awesome.

If you're asking about being able to read SMSs on the Pebble watch, iOS 6 comes with Bluetooth MAP (message access protocol) support that should let it do this.

Read Pebble's latest tweet. It's got nothing to with these permissions, however...
 
So it's ok to copy from Android. Time for Apple to stop copying and create something innovative for a change. Don't tell me this is the only way to use permission. Same for maps. Looks exactly like Google maps. About 150billion in cash, and they can't create a single innovative map interface. It's as if they copied the whole google map and just changed the name. The colors, the buildings, the roads all look same as shown by Google maps. Be different. Don't tell me it's a map, how else they can make it? Obviously they can make it different if they tried..

Asking permission to do something is copying now? I had no idea Google invented dialog boxes.

I'm also unaware they invented maps, either - someone get Ferdinand Magellan on the phone!

Besides, I'm pretty sure the colours of a map are pretty universal. Maybe if Apple made the water green and the roads blue, that would be better for you?

Android has a web browser, too. Oops, they must have copied that from iOS using your logic. The ability to send and receive emails, too.

Get over yourself and stop caring about something you don't use.
 
The data contained in the photos/videos can contain the gps coordinates of where it was taken. This is useful for things such as iPhoto's map feature where you can click on a location and see all the photo's taken there. This can also be a security issue when you send a photo taken at home to someone and they now have your gps location. Hence the apps asking permission to use the feature.

Thanks, I get that. But iMovie won't work on the iPhone or iPad at all if u don't allow it to use location services. That is what I'm talking about. That is wrong. The app should work if I don't want or use geotagging.
 
The data contained in the photos/videos can contain the gps coordinates of where it was taken. This is useful for things such as iPhoto's map feature where you can click on a location and see all the photo's taken there. This can also be a security issue when you send a photo taken at home to someone and they now have your gps location. Hence the apps asking permission to use the feature.

It wasn't an issue two versions ago.

And iOS should be smart enough to provide the picture file data without the location metadata if an app requests one and doesn't need the other.

It's seriously clumsy as is.
 
If you're asking about being able to read SMSs on the Pebble watch, iOS 6 comes with Bluetooth MAP (message access protocol) support that should let it do this.

Read Pebble's latest tweet. It's got nothing to with these permissions, however...

Awesome thanks for the info!
 
Passive, but, a good move on Apple's part!

Passive was making the rule and trusting the developers to follow it, which they didn't

Now they are putting it at the OS level so the developers can't get around it

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facebook is retarded,

the National Association of Retarded Pepple ask that you stop insulting them by associating them with Facebook

Thank you

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Thanks, I get that. But iMovie won't work on the iPhone or iPad at all if u don't allow it to use location services. That is what I'm talking about. That is wrong. The app should work if I don't want or use geotagging.

I denied it and haven't had an issue
 
Lol...

When you send a web page via email, links, etc. guess what the app needs? Bingo!!! contact info to auto fill the send to box. I doubt developers are mining your data and imagine it is more to implement features into the App.
 
Ecosystem?

An about time move by Apple but since when has the App Store been a biological community?
 
:p
Perhaps you have no concerns about privacy, but there are one or two of us who would like to have as much control over the information about us as possible - no matter how little that is!

As for your lack of concern...just opt in to any request for you private information. I'm sure the folks in your Contact book will be thrilled.

I'm good, I have nothing to hide. Like most people in this forum, I am a honest hard working person.

With your amount of concern it sure makes me wonder what you're hiding.
 
...Same for maps. Looks exactly like Google maps. About 150billion in cash, and they can't create a single innovative map interface. It's as if they copied the whole google map and just changed the name. The colors, the buildings, the roads all look same as shown by Google maps. Be different. Don't tell me it's a map, how else they can make it? Obviously they can make it different if they tried..


Moronic statement. The interface of Maps on the iPhone was owned by Apple. Google was only providing the back end. This was by contract between the two. Apple was free to pull the Google back end off of their front end and replace it with their own as they see fit. The Apple Map app is in first round beta and is already better than it ever was with Google's back end.
 
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