notabadname
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You are absolutely correct Runt888, my apology. I did misread the the thread and I do stand (embarrassedly so) corrected. 😱
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Apple Requiring eBook Apps With External Purchases to Also Offer In App Purchasing
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You are absolutely correct Runt888, my apology. I did misread the the thread and I do stand (embarrassedly so) corrected. 😱
No problem - more than likely (in my opinion, and as other have said) this will probably only require a very small change to the Kindle app (if any change at all). It really depends on if Apple decides that a link to Amazon's web based store, that opens in Safari, is a violation. If so, then all Amazon will need to do is remove the link - a small loss in terms of ease of use, but I am very certain Amazon isn't about to give Apple 30% of their ebook sales. So our whole discussion is mostly moot anyway 😀
MattInOz
macrumors 68030
This is all business right. There are lots of public and private negoitations going on now that business has clued in to the fact the internet is as valid a business channel as any other.
Amazon seems to be negotiating without publicly dissing Apple and it would seem they do agree that it's worth something to have access to Apples work. Maybe not, and I fully agree, as much as the existing in-app purchase channel requires but something.
Apple seems to have been negotiating new terms as part of the new subscription services with other parties that they maybe opening up to these guys as well. But we don't know what those terms will be, typical Apple no word of anything until they say. If that does prove to be the case then I can understand they have been lax on that appstore condition as concession that they haven't offered till then a fair channel to allow ITM account holders a way to use that account to make purchases in other stores linked in with iOS apps.
Funny Sony are the ones making this public yet most of the comments are about the Amazon-Apple relationship. So I don't know how effective this is working out for them. Yes they seem to generating a backlash on Apple and may in a lot peoples minds make it look like any new conditions are a reaction not planned. It would seem by the comments that any positive energy generate by this will flow to Amazon not them.
Cleverboy
macrumors 65816
This is not about eBay or Amazon.com... this is about content for the app itself. Other content is not eligible for IAP.
~ CB
Stella
macrumors G3
Quite frankly, your post read as though your replying to some other post and not mine ( which you quoted ). Additionally I don't think I ever used the words "evil" or "greedy", or even "bad".
Yes, we know this: Apple are now applying rules they didn't bother to previously. Apple should be consistent... apply all of its rules instead of on an adhoc basis.
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Thats a terrible analogy. First and foremost it leaves the customers totally out of it. If you want to use that analogy it's more like saying that the pizza place advertised it's partnership with the ice cream place, got you to sit down and order pizza with the expectation that you could order ice cream too, then after you had already ordered told the customer that they cannot get ice cream because the pizza place decided it wasn't making enough money off of you and you cannot cancel your pizza order, you are stuck.
If Apple pulls these kinds of stunts with property THAT ISNT THEIRS!(I cannot stress that last point enough), then the device that I PAID APPLE for becomes less valuable to me due to Apple's greed.
I used to be an Apple fanboy, but the Apple of the past year has done nothing but make myopic, anti-customer moves that seem to indicate that they think they are god and can do no wrong. I have a mac laptop, iPhone, iMac and iPad but I've had it with Apple's childish games. If they want to act like adults then maybe I'll reconsider but when they cancel vital products without giving their customers due recourse, when they constantly change the terms of the app store so they can squeeze even more money out of me, when they make it hard to play with anyone else, there is no reason to support them.
Face it, Apple's magic is gone, and in its place is a cold hearted corporate money vacuum that will wind up sucking itself dry.
Short AAPL, you'll be glad you did.
As expected that sounds better and more reasonable than what was implied by the previous rumor.Glad I didn't get my panties in a wad without the facts,as so many on here do.Still waiting for the important question of pricing raised in this post to be resolved,it could still be a bad move by Apple.We'll see.
applemagic123
macrumors regular
Oh my god...I totally feel you! At this point I think I hate apple more than I like them. At least my device is jailbroken so I can do whateva' I please with it.
Foidulus stated: "I used to be an Apple fanboy, but the Apple of the past year has done nothing but make myopic, anti-customer moves that seem to indicate that they think they are god and can do no wrong. I have a mac laptop, iPhone, iMac and iPad but I've had it with Apple's childish games. If they want to act like adults then maybe I'll reconsider but when they cancel vital products without giving their customers due recourse, when they constantly change the terms of the app store so they can squeeze even more money out of me, when they make it hard to play with anyone else, there is no reason to support them.
Face it, Apple's magic is gone, and in its place is a cold hearted corporate money vacuum that will wind up sucking itself dry.
Short AAPL, you'll be glad you did. "
**and this is what I've been telling everyone for the past year or so...Apple....has...completely...lost....their....magic. That's why my screen name is applemagic, because I still have the magic that apple doesn't. eek!
Please share, what is stopping Apple from developing an Android version of iBooks?
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Ironically, as I was reading your example, I could not stop thinking that it sounds like what Apple did to the independent repair shops / resellers with their Apple-owned brick-and-mortar stores. Apple is really starting to get a reputation for screwing people once the going gets good.
I bet there are PLENTY of company's that would love to charge 30%!! What an utter rip off, I can only see this one ending up in the European court just like Microsoft. The EU will just look at it from a monopoly perspective because of the amount of people using iToy's.
Is this going to be the future of Apple now? Really arrogant rip off merchants? I mean fair game apps are dirt cheap but 30% cut from stuff that's got nothing to do with them..... no chance.
It's not adhoc, it's Apple just seeing where they can make the most profit and enforcing it, if they gave a crap about the rules then they would have been strict from the start, not chop and change just because a company is making money and they aren't, but it's the ultimate goal, screw someone out of 30% twice, once for the app and again for in app purchases, and only pay to host the original app.
Easy money.
Is this going to be the future of Apple now? Really arrogant rip off merchants? I mean fair game apps are dirt cheap but 30% cut from stuff that's got nothing to do with them..... no chance.
It's not adhoc, it's Apple just seeing where they can make the most profit and enforcing it, if they gave a crap about the rules then they would have been strict from the start, not chop and change just because a company is making money and they aren't, but it's the ultimate goal, screw someone out of 30% twice, once for the app and again for in app purchases, and only pay to host the original app.
Easy money.
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Singin Hobo
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Not being an Apple stock-holder I don't give a rat's ass about what their rights are as a company. This will likely turn out poorly because Amazon probably won't put up with this crap and not play ball, and eventually their app won't be compatible with one version or another of iOS.
As far as I'm concerned the best apps I have import paid content from an outside source... I also purchase other apps, songs, & videos for use on my iPhone through iTunes, so I don't see how Apple is somehow the loser in all of this.
As far as I'm concerned the best apps I have import paid content from an outside source... I also purchase other apps, songs, & videos for use on my iPhone through iTunes, so I don't see how Apple is somehow the loser in all of this.
Sigh. Standard retail markup for electronics is 45% of sales price. Exceptions exist, like video game machines that have no markup (but check the games and controllers), high end audio that have LARGER markup, plenty of others. But that is the standard, has been for years. At least, in the USA.
This has been mentioned before, but apparently some children don't bother to read.
So, go to a store that you have to walk into. Find something with a regular tag (not clearance) that says $100. It likely cost the store $55. In Apple's Appstore, an app that costs them $55 is sold for $78 since they only have 30% markup.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
You are the loser....
When the Apple Consumer Electronics company pulls crap like this, peope who own the Itoys are the losers.
Just like people power is reshaping North Africa and the Middle East, people power can bring down Apple.
As soon as a significant number of people realize that Apple is "not cool" for doing things like this, Apple will fall just as fast as Mubarak is falling.
When the Apple Consumer Electronics company pulls crap like this, peope who own the Itoys are the losers.
Just like people power is reshaping North Africa and the Middle East, people power can bring down Apple.
As soon as a significant number of people realize that Apple is "not cool" for doing things like this, Apple will fall just as fast as Mubarak is falling.
Singin Hobo
macrumors regular
Okay, I'm not exactly happy about the possibility of having my favorite reading app pulled from my preferred phone, but I'm not sure I'm quite prepared to draw this analogy.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Or, Apple will see what's happening, and instead of building a dome over their walled garden - Apple will tear down the walls.
Not likely - but if the teens and twenty-somethings decide that Apple is "not cool" Tim will have a major crisis on his hands.
And, looking at many of the comments in this and related threads here on a strongly pro-Apple site, "not cool" seems to be a common interpretation.
You know what, it's simple.
If the product overall does stuff you want the way you want, buy it. If there are too many negatives. Buy something else. If no one makes a close to ideal product for you, choose what's best or don't buy at all if you don't need it. I like my iphone. I'd be upset if Kindle was no longer on the iphone (I don't use it but I like the option particularly cause Amazon is cheaper and does have a few more books I want). But really, *for me*, it wouldn't affect me too badly (I use iBooks mostly). So I'd keep using it. When Apple does something to make the device truly unusable to me, I'll change. That's capitalism at work 😉.
Even if Apple stopped supporting Kindle, those with Kindle already and Kindle books will still be able to use what they have on the iphone. No one is saying Apple is going to go into your phone and erase the app (I have an app on my phone that Apple pulled and they pulled it because of a very big violation 😉. Apple just stopped them from selling more, they didn't go back and erase the app off of the phones that already got it).
Yeah, it sux you'd no longer be able to get more Kindle books on your phone. Oh wait, you probably could buy books off your computer's Kindle app and transfer them to the phone (I'm betting since Kindle advertises being able to read the books you buy off of one device you can read them in all there is a way to do this. I don't know, I preferred iBooks format though it would be nice if iBooks was as cheap and had more selection. For what I usually get though they aren't too lacking). This would really only affect those who hadn't gotten the phone for Kindle yet.
And you people comparing this to tyrannical regimes (the real reason for this rant)... Really?!!!! No one forced you to buy Apple. No one is forcing you to keep using that device. No one is saying you can't go buy an Android right now and set fire to your iphone. No one is putting a gun to your head, threatening you with arrest, threatening you with torture... Apple is just saying this is what they will make available for their device, take it or leave it. You are free to choose some other device (that will have its own limitations and stuff that you won't like. And stuff you might like better. That's the point, you pick which one does what you need best).
Shoot, you knew Apple liked control when you bought the devices. Let me tell you from some one who had the first Mac, this is not *NEW*, this has always been their way. If you don't like it, why aren't you already on the anti-apple train? I have friends who've been saying for years how they don't like Apple's closed system. This is far from new. This is a complaint Windows fans have had about the Mac way before the idevices got popular.
Get a grip... seriously.
(oh, and I really love the people blaming this on Steve leaving. Steve Jobs can do no wrong, right? This has to be some one else's fault).
If the product overall does stuff you want the way you want, buy it. If there are too many negatives. Buy something else. If no one makes a close to ideal product for you, choose what's best or don't buy at all if you don't need it. I like my iphone. I'd be upset if Kindle was no longer on the iphone (I don't use it but I like the option particularly cause Amazon is cheaper and does have a few more books I want). But really, *for me*, it wouldn't affect me too badly (I use iBooks mostly). So I'd keep using it. When Apple does something to make the device truly unusable to me, I'll change. That's capitalism at work 😉.
Even if Apple stopped supporting Kindle, those with Kindle already and Kindle books will still be able to use what they have on the iphone. No one is saying Apple is going to go into your phone and erase the app (I have an app on my phone that Apple pulled and they pulled it because of a very big violation 😉. Apple just stopped them from selling more, they didn't go back and erase the app off of the phones that already got it).
Yeah, it sux you'd no longer be able to get more Kindle books on your phone. Oh wait, you probably could buy books off your computer's Kindle app and transfer them to the phone (I'm betting since Kindle advertises being able to read the books you buy off of one device you can read them in all there is a way to do this. I don't know, I preferred iBooks format though it would be nice if iBooks was as cheap and had more selection. For what I usually get though they aren't too lacking). This would really only affect those who hadn't gotten the phone for Kindle yet.
And you people comparing this to tyrannical regimes (the real reason for this rant)... Really?!!!! No one forced you to buy Apple. No one is forcing you to keep using that device. No one is saying you can't go buy an Android right now and set fire to your iphone. No one is putting a gun to your head, threatening you with arrest, threatening you with torture... Apple is just saying this is what they will make available for their device, take it or leave it. You are free to choose some other device (that will have its own limitations and stuff that you won't like. And stuff you might like better. That's the point, you pick which one does what you need best).
Shoot, you knew Apple liked control when you bought the devices. Let me tell you from some one who had the first Mac, this is not *NEW*, this has always been their way. If you don't like it, why aren't you already on the anti-apple train? I have friends who've been saying for years how they don't like Apple's closed system. This is far from new. This is a complaint Windows fans have had about the Mac way before the idevices got popular.
Get a grip... seriously.
(oh, and I really love the people blaming this on Steve leaving. Steve Jobs can do no wrong, right? This has to be some one else's fault).
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No one asked you write this post also. 😛
On a more serious note this isn't about the one-off case that we are talking here. This can cause a major change in the mindsets of developers for iOS platform. Having control is one thing and changing rules in the name of control for your own profits is another thing. I still very much love Apple and am planning to buy the new iPad and MBP whenever the hell they appear, but this kind of utter stupidity reduces the chance of me recommending that to someone else. Marketing can only get them so far if it doesn't include word of mouth. This kind of control can be only be seen as user hostile.
How long will it take for Apple to take 30% cut from the pizza you ordered on your iPhone? How long will it take for Apple to take 30% cut from Netflix and Hulu's subscription money for the movies you watched?
And you know what happens if Apple keeps taking 30% cut for every damn thing, devs stop supporting that platform and move where they can make some money so that they can also survive and not just feed the giant gorilla thats controlling them.
And then I go buy another phone next time I'm up for an upgrade. If it gets that bad, so do other people. Capitalism and a free market at work.
This does not make them equal to the Nazis or Mubarak like several people keep liking to liken them too. I think what set me off is that ridiculousness I keep seeing thrown around in this thread.
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
Fair enough. Currently developers make a lot of money from iOS platforms than other competing platforms (few exceptions though). And Apple makes a rule restricting something, than those small devs cant put work in making the app available for multiple devices and might likely settle for a slightly smaller cut. The other devices is now a lot less attractive due to the lack of software. Now you might say with the above situation playing out, you can still settle for Apple's platform as they have all the apps - this is also unlikely as some major, essential apps might be forced to leave.
So, all in all what I am saying is, if Apple continues to act this way - then the situation gets extremely fragmented and no one device can give user a supreme experience.
I don't understand, elaborate? How is the current situation even remotely relevant to the platforms you cited?
More like a popular mall (say Disneyland, a theater or arena) with a captive audience. If you want to open up a restaurant in the mall, you have to pay rent AND as part of the agreement to must use the mall payment system, and they will take 30% of your revenue. You cannot re-direct customers to a side cash register outside of the mall payment system.
Ever wonder why it costs $10+ to buy a beer in some arenas or airports?
P.