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So users have to be able to purchase items/content/etc through the app directly as well as outside the app. This is what its saying!

So if I'm currently a subscriber to, say, The Economist, they will now have to show me an in-app link to pay and remain a subscriber, next to the link to their website... and then give Apple 30% of my subscription fee if I buy in-app (for which priviledge they were forced to rework their app and their billing system and add an additional way of doing what I could do perfectly well all along)?

I'm sure this is going to make Apple very popular over at The Economist.
 
ebooks isn't the problem here.

the two most obvious responses from Amazon are, depending on the "keep the same price" question's resolution:

1. remove kindle for ios from development, or move it to jailbreak
2. offer two links in the ios kindle store, one for regular price, and one "through the app" version that's 40% more expensive (you know, to cover development costs to meet apple's new demands)

As others have pointed out, ebooks are sort of easy, and the real issue is other apps that use web links to purchase "app content" that in truth isn't "app content" at all, but generic content (things like skype credits, kindle books, ebay auctions, etc) being sold through an app. When you buy a kindle book, you own it on all of your devices. the "primary" intention is, of course, the Kindle.

Apple's stance makes sense for things like games (where you can "buy" a demo for 1 dollar, and then purchase more content through the app later...without their in-app rules, developers would be stupid not to take complete and total advantage of that loophole to incur a LOT more than 70% of the revenue.

But to impose this system on apps that are functioning as a store isn't going to work.



If Sony ebook store purchases fall under this restriction, then so do facebook credit purchases, or kindle store purchases. If apple enforces this on sony, or amazon, or google, but not facebook, then you'd better believe that the lawsuits will fly. Apple will lose.

In the mean time, think what would happen if someone like Mark Zuckerberg decided to call Apple's bluff on this policy and blocked ios from facebook until the policy was re-written...Apple would cave within a week.

It's one thing to have restrictive policies in a closed marketplace. It is an entirely different thing to arbitrarily and selectively enforce those policies on specific competitors. It has the same end effect as insider trading.
 
Here's some more from that Digitimes article:

"In other words, Apple wants its cut on sales enabled by its iOS devices, it has an established guideline that allows it to take it and that’s what it’s doing. Developers are still free to send customers to their own Web stores, but they must also offer them the option of purchasing content within their apps themselves, and they must route those sales through Apple which will then take its percentage."

Sounds like apps just need to offer customers the option. Customers then decide which way they want to purchase their books.

I don't disagree with this, but in that scenario, taking 30% off the top is way too much for what essentially is a processing fee.

Tony
 
I'm still not sure what the requirement is saying. If you have an app that has in-app purchases, can you ALSO redirect to the browser from WITHIN the app to purchase outside the app? If that's the case, and Amazon raising the in-app price according to their price increase, why the heck would anyone then buy the book as in-app?

This whole Apple position makes no sense. :confused:

tony

That's exactly what I was thinking. By the sounds of it, Kindle could just allow in app purchasing for 30% more than the amazon.com purchase price and the problem would be solved. But then nobody would use the in app purchasing feature so what's the point?
 
Simple, just make your out of app purchases 30% less.

If Apple are not hosting them, then you can charge the customer less.

Deal with Apple as Apple deal with sales tax. Apple sells a product then put tax on saying it's not our fault, it's the tax.

Well do the same back to them, price your books as normal and then load on the 30% apple sales tax onto the price.

Then the customer is free to decide where to buy the item from.

You would have to charge 43% more for in app purchases to maintain the same income.
 
Simple, just make your out of app purchases 30% less.

If Apple are not hosting them, then you can charge the customer less.

Deal with Apple as Apple deal with sales tax. Apple sells a product then put tax on saying it's not our fault, it's the tax.

Well do the same back to them, price your books as normal and then load on the 30% apple sales tax onto the price.

Then the customer is free to decide where to buy the item from.

Applications should NOT be locked down through ONLY the App Store. Imagine having to ask Apple to install a program on your macbook. Imagine having to ask Apple to OK a program used at work.

Is the only alternative to jailbreak your phone or switch to Android (and then root that, since their app store is locked down too)?

Go watch the 1982 commercial that apple fanboys love and tell me how apple isn't the evil company anymore?

They make great HW.
They make great SW.

But it's time to take down the walls and allow competition.

That being said, I can't blame them. Until the EU or US Gov steps in with new laws they will milk this as long as they can.
 
Plain stupid. I will not hesitate to switch to Android if Apple makes it difficult to buy kindle books. My whole library is kindle and I like it that way. I don't buy ibooks because they can only be used on iOS whereas kindle is multi platform. I love my iOS devices but I do not want to be locked in forever. Apple has a lot of leverage and controls the pad market for the moment but eventually they will drive customers like me away.
 
That's exactly what I was thinking. By the sounds of it, Kindle could just allow in app purchasing for 30% more than the amazon.com purchase price and the problem would be solved. But then nobody would use the in app purchasing feature so what's the point?

Well that assumes Amazon would need to up the price 30%, they still have to pay whatever there current transaction fee is.

So the total loss to Amazon may be 15-25% or 0% depending on what they are paying to handle the transactions just now.
 
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Well now we know what the Sony rejection was all about. Is this only limited to eBooks or will other third party purchases/subscriptions be affected?
 
Why will Kindle be affected? There is no in-app purchase of books to begin with.
 
It seems simple enough to me. Amazon will simply remove Kindle in app purchases. You will have to buy on their web site, android or Kindle device. Then sync it to your iOS when you bring it up. Its not as convient this way, but it will work and save Amazon the 30%.
 
Uh, no? Who gets screwed by that?

People who can't read, I guess.

Is that a large market? People buying e-books who also can't read? I somehow doubt it.

Fair point. But then what's the point?

You're going to make App developers like Amazon, Netflix, etc all have a "BUY IN APP" option that nobody will EVER use because Apple tells you?

Think about that for a minute.

I was okay with this "Tax" in game machines, but an iPhone is a computer, and should be treated like such.

Look at some of the new Android phones that literally can hook up to a screen and BECOME a computer.
 
How about if we all don't take this so personal. If Apple decides that they would rather risk losing the Kindle, Nook, etc. apps, that's a business decision on their part. If Amazon or B&N decide that they don't want to pay a premium in profit for the right to sell in the Apple store, that's a business decision on their parts.

And my decision will be made with no emotion, also. If I can't use Kindle on my iPad, I will sell it and buy an Android tablet.

That's nice, but when I spent £699 on an iPad I did so knowing I could buy and read Kindle books on it. If Apple remove that functionality then I will sure as hell take it personally.

If it happens yes I'll sell it, but I'll be pissed and taking a hit simply because as a company they can't be trusted by their customers.

Its not about Apple or Sony or Amazon. Its about the customers who bought an iPad based on functionality which may be removed.

By all means dick about with iPad2 to your heart's content, Apple.
Make it only run on special Apple store electricity, needing special Apple glasses to see the screen. Go wild. At least people will know what the restrictions are when they buy and not 9 months later. :mad:
 
You're going to make App developers like Amazon, Netflix, etc all have a "BUY IN APP" option that nobody will EVER use because Apple tells you?

Think about that for a minute.

Why is it "you're going to make?"

Apple's the one making the stupid rules up, not me. That was kind of my point. It's pretty dumb.
 
The problem here is that the AppStore should not be the EXCLUSIVE App supplier to iOS.

The iPhone should be unlocked and allowed to load other app stores as the consumer sees fit.

We don't need AT&T telling apple to block apps...
We dont' need Apple shutting down Google Apps because they are competition...
And we dont' need Apple STEALING 30% of every amazon, ebay, or any other purchase.

I have a feeling the EU is going to tear Apple apart in the coming years. This is VERY microsoft 1990s all over again.

Gah I love Apple products, but Android is looking better and better all the time..

Good luck with that! Don't get me wrong, I agree with you but I think apple is never going to allow other stores, and EU has many problems right now to give a **** about iCostumers
 
Applications should NOT be locked down through ONLY the App Store. Imagine having to ask Apple to install a program on your macbook. Imagine having to ask Apple to OK a program used at work.

Just a question.
Do you think Amazon's kindle device users should have the right able to buy books from other vendors? And those vendors should be entitled to install rival bookstores on the Kindle itself.

If not, why not?

C.
 
cue the big brother music.

Apple is at it again. Looks like they're upset that some other people are making money off the iPad and they want a cut of the money.

I wonder how people would react if Microsoft tried this with windows. Sorry you cannot run this program on windows until we have the same functionality.

While I like iBooks better then kindle, having apple squash competition in such a way is not kosher.
 
A goodie, another layer of complexity to help the bottom line of Apple CONsumer Electronics.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Apple has lost the mobile space to Android/Google.
 
How is this the policy that's been in place all along? Nothing adheres to it. Netflix, Kindle, etc..
 
This is all about Marketing

It seems simple enough to me. Amazon will simply remove Kindle in app purchases. You will have to buy on their web site, android or Kindle device. Then sync it to your iOS when you bring it up. Its not as convient this way, but it will work and save Amazon the 30%.

Kindles purchases are not in app. They send you to Safari.

It's funny, I ran into something like this just yesterday. I downloaded a FREE app with ads all over the place. I thought, I wonder if they have a paid version in the App store that removes banners. They DIDN'T, but what they did have was a little option in the settings that said "Remove banners". When I clicked on there I found a "Pay 4.99" to remove banners from their very own servers.

You may think I'm strange, but this to me feels wrong. The entice you with a free version (MARKETED by APPLE) and when you like it they make you pay outside the App Store, thereby cicumventing Apple? That's crap. I give you access to my millions of customers and you can't even pay me for making you rich?
 
It seems simple enough to me. Amazon will simply remove Kindle in app purchases. You will have to buy on their web site, android or Kindle device. Then sync it to your iOS when you bring it up. Its not as convient this way, but it will work and save Amazon the 30%.

"apps that offer purchases elsewhere must support in-app purchases as well"

Oh look..the new iOS update supports recurring billing for monthly fees!

So that rules out EBAY, Netflix, HULU, anything with a monthly/one-time fee for content.

You can sure tell what direction Apples going to go...I can't see how anyone would support this move...
 
Honestly, Apple does not need the 30%. It's nice, but it's not really making them a lot of money -- their hardware is the money maker. This is just like iTunes... using the content to sell hardware.

But why should Apple give up a chance to make money on something bought on the iPad? Why should Amazon, Sony, B&N all get to grab Apple's customers and just WHISK them away to the 'net and leave Apple standing there with their pants down and a Kick-Me-Hard sign plastered to their back? Because you few people on this board deem it reasonable? Please.

Also, these companies are also forcing Apple's customers into jumping through an extra hoop with these purchases outside the App-in-question. Apple wants for the iPad for EVERYTHING that's done on the iPad, iPhone, iPod (whatever) to be seemless and transparent. You want something? You click BUY and it's yours. Buying outside of the app is confusing to many. So these businesses are convoluting the whole system of simplicity. I'm surprised Apple is even allowing outside purchases. I think it's totally reasonable that Apple would force the purchase to also be made in-app.

Is 30% cut for Apple fair? I don't know. I don't manage a multi-million dollar wireless bookstore and don't know what it costs to deliver billions of purchases. I know Apple needs to cover costs of operations and make some money or WHY DO IT?

The haters here need to step back and get a grip. It's Apple's store. They can do what they want. If you don't like it, don't buy from them. Don't get an iPad. Buy another phone and jump to Windows. Apple has been fine all along without your business and they will continue to be.
 
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