Apple resurrects previous gen MBP?

[DogHouseDub]

Didn't read this anywhere - was looking for a refurb of the previous gen MBP so I could have dedicated ports for things I use (without dragging dongles around). They are selling them new. One 13" model, one 15" model. With upgraded processors. Did they get blowback over the new models?

 

[smallcoffee]

Didn't read this anywhere - was looking for a refurb of the previous gen MBP so I could have dedicated ports for things I use (without dragging dongles around). They are selling them new. One 13" model, one 15" model. With upgraded processors. Did they get blowback over the new models?

No. The new models are the best selling ones ever. And I have the new MBP and don't have to drag adapters around, I just buy USB-c.

 

[ApolloBoy]

Didn't read this anywhere - was looking for a refurb of the previous gen MBP so I could have dedicated ports for things I use (without dragging dongles around). They are selling them new. One 13" model, one 15" model. With upgraded processors. Did they get blowback over the new models?

Apple hasn't changed the previous models since they were last refreshed two years ago actually, they're still being kept around as a cheaper alternative to the 2016 models (albeit without a price cut!).

 

[MrGuder]

Didn't read this anywhere - was looking for a refurb of the previous gen MBP so I could have dedicated ports for things I use (without dragging dongles around). They are selling them new. One 13" model, one 15" model. With upgraded processors. Did they get blowback over the new models?

This post makes no sense. Why would you jepordize your 2007 membership with a post that makes you look like a newbie posting spam. Where have you been, previous models have been on Apples website for all the world to see. This is not new.

 

[mdapple]

This post makes no sense. Why would you jepordize your 2007 membership with a post that makes you look like a newbie posting spam. Where have you been, previous models have been on Apples website for all the world to see. This is not new.

that is what i call a toxic post lol

 

[ZapNZs]

Apple sold the 2012 MacBook Pro Unibody 13 through something like several months ago and may still have some for sale in their system that could pop up from time to time. IIRC, it used the same Ivy Bridge CPU for its entire near half-decade run. The 2015 may be sold as a cheaper version or an alternative for those whom have needs/preferences the current MacBook Pro does not meet, in their base formats, with certain upgrades available but not all upgrades that were originally available (ex: you can no longer buy a brand new 2015 15-in with dGPU.)

Apple got tons of blowback over their design decisions, but that happens with every major refresh. For example, in 2012, when the retina models moved to soldered RAM, that wasn't too well received. However, the platform went on to be very successful and liked by most owners.

 

[haydn!]

Didn't read this anywhere - was looking for a refurb of the previous gen MBP so I could have dedicated ports for things I use (without dragging dongles around). They are selling them new. One 13" model, one 15" model. With upgraded processors. Did they get blowback over the new models?

No. These have been on sale since the day the new MacBook's we're revealed. There is no spec changes though I don't believe, they're just the exact same 2015 models that were available before - albeit, now more expensive in the UK.

 

[Fishrrman]

Apple has continued to sell "new" units of the 2015 13" and 15" models since the 2016's were introduced last October.

They remain in the active product lineup -- although you don't see them on the MacBook Pro page at the Apple Online Store UNLESS you click the "buy" button. Then they can be found down at the bottom of the page...

 

[MrGuder]

I wonder what everyone will do when June 5th comes around and the Apple online store is taken down and when it comes back up after the WWDC announcement the 2015 MBP model is gone, no more. Will people regret not ordering it before it's gone. I mean it is a classic with the Apple logo and magsafe and dongle free ports. We know the time is coming when they stop selling the 2015 model and June 5th could be the time Apple let's it go. It's an easy way to get people to support the USB-C only MBP.

 

[The Mercurian]

No. The new models are the best selling ones ever. And I have the new MBP and don't have to drag adapters around, I just buy USB-c.

Disagree. Its impossible to tell how the 2016 is selling relative to the 2015. Yes yes yes but Apple say it is -> marketing spin.

 

[Count Blah]

Disagree. Its impossible to tell how the 2016 is selling relative to the 2015. Yes yes yes but Apple say it is -> marketing spin.

With years of pent up demand form people WAITING for any NEW updates, you have those with 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, all waiting for the latest and greatest design of the MBP. Only issue is that TONS of people saw the new MBP, and chose to go with the older 2015 MBP. SOOOOOOO MANY, that Apple had to admit that they botched the whole 'Pro' thing, in all of their lineups.

Thank you everyone, who bought the 2015 MBP, in response to the 2016 MBP. $$$ is the ONLY thing Apple hears, cares about, notices.

 

[ApolloBoy]

Thank you everyone, who bought the 2015 MBP, in response to the 2016 MBP. $$$ is the ONLY thing Apple hears, cares about, notices.

Uhh but didn't the 2016 models sell incredibly well and improved the Mac's market share?

 

[leman]

Disagree. Its impossible to tell how the 2016 is selling relative to the 2015. Yes yes yes but Apple say it is -> marketing spin.

I think its pretty obvious from the earnings results. Not only they earn more money per sold Mac than last year, but also the sale volumes won't be that high if people only bought the old model. Or are you suggesting that everyone was waiting until October 2016 and then actively started buying 2 years old laptop with base configuration?
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Only issue is that TONS of people saw the new MBP, and chose to go with the older 2015 MBP.

What do you base this on?

SOOOOOOO MANY, that Apple had to admit that they botched the whole 'Pro' thing, in all of their lineups.

This is simply FALSE. The only thing Apple said is that the cylindrical Mac Pro design was a dead end because they didn't predict that TDP of high-end GPU will continue rising.

 

[Count Blah]

Uhh but didn't the 2016 models sell incredibly well and improved the Mac's market share?

The 2015 MBP sold extremely well also, as cited by Phil, when he admitted Apple dropped the Pro ball.

 

[smallcoffee]

Disagree. Its impossible to tell how the 2016 is selling relative to the 2015. Yes yes yes but Apple say it is -> marketing spin.

Nope

 

[ZapNZs]

I wonder what everyone will do when June 5th comes around and the Apple online store is taken down and when it comes back up after the WWDC announcement the 2015 MBP model is gone, no more. Will people regret not ordering it before it's gone. I mean it is a classic with the Apple logo and magsafe and dongle free ports. We know the time is coming when they stop selling the 2015 model and June 5th could be the time Apple let's it go. It's an easy way to get people to support the USB-C only MBP.

People said that in 2012 with the Unibody model too...

Half a decade later, the 13-inch was still for sale.
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Disagree. Its impossible to tell how the 2016 is selling relative to the 2015. Yes yes yes but Apple say it is -> marketing spin.

Agreed. We can assume that the 2016 has sold very well based on raw sales figures and general statements made by Apple. However, to my knowledge, we do not have a breakdown of the actual years/tiers being sold, as Apple does not provide that information. So we do not have hard statistical figures to quantify how well the 2016 or the 2015 models sold, no differently than we have with other transitional years-models.

Further, we would need these breakdown figures to examine how much the higher MSRP or consumer choice of higher tier models changes the quantity sales (i.e., 100,000 people buying a 2012 13-inch for $850 versus 50,000 people buying a 2016 13-inch for $1,700)

 

[Count Blah]

I think its pretty obvious from the earnings results. Not only they earn more money per sold Mac than last year, but also the sale volumes won't be that high if people only bought the old model.

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I said, people ONLY bought the old model /s

What do you base this on?

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/06/mac-pro-may-not-ship-until-2019/

Apparently, the negative response to the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, which many complained was not oriented towards pro users, was a major factor. Apple saw a surge of orders for older MacBook Pros instead of the new model, and that, combined with the reaction to the LG 5K display and the "constant negativity" from professional users, led Apple to "double down on professional users."

This is simply FALSE. The only thing Apple said is that the cylindrical Mac Pro design was a dead end because they didn't predict that TDP of high-end GPU will continue rising.

Sorry that your inference is off the mark.
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Nope

link to actual numbers?

 

[smallcoffee]

link to actual numbers?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.macw...ue-figures-apple-earnings-report-3581769/?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/bgr.com/2016/11/22/macbook-pro-2016-sales-strong-demand/amp/


Inb4 some wild goose chase reasoning about how they aren't

 

[CaptRB]

I wonder what everyone will do when June 5th comes around and the Apple online store is taken down and when it comes back up after the WWDC announcement the 2015 MBP model is gone, no more. Will people regret not ordering it before it's gone. I mean it is a classic with the Apple logo and magsafe and dongle free ports. We know the time is coming when they stop selling the 2015 model and June 5th could be the time Apple let's it go. It's an easy way to get people to support the USB-C only MBP.

I think "everyone" is a small group of users. I recall well the time when Apple phased on internal CD drives and that was the biggest explosion ever. There was even an outcry when the Mac mini went through some changes that folks didn't care for.

But I keep pointing out that Apple sells to a majority and not a minority. Every design choice they make is researched and studied. Most of the time they're right, at least so far as the Apple sales go.

But can they bring back the SD slot just for me?

R

 

[ZapNZs]

I think "everyone" is a small group of users. I recall well the time when Apple phased on internal CD drives and that was the biggest explosion ever. There was even an outcry when the Mac mini went through some changes that folks didn't care for.

But I keep pointing out that Apple sells to a majority and not a minority. Every design choice they make is researched and studied. Most of the time they're right, at least so far as the Apple sales go.

But can they bring back the SD slot just for me?

R

Continued sale of the 2015 model in its present state, at least the 13-inch, would make financial sense for Apple to do for at least several years IMO.
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/apple-q2-2017-financial-results-revenue-figures-apple-earnings-report-3581769/?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/bgr.com/2016/11/22/macbook-pro-2016-sales-strong-demand/amp/


Inb4 some wild goose chase reasoning about how they aren't

Here is your wild goose chase:

That does NOT quantify the specific sales of the 2016 model, even though it suggests that the 2016 is the driving force behind the income increases.

For example, we could use this to say with a reasonable degree of confidence that it is the 2016 that is selling very well and that the demand for the 2016 has been pretty strong:
"Major Apple assembler Quanta Computer reported on Friday its best first quarter sales since 2012, boosted by the MacBook Pro range of personal computers. The company said Apple's notebook line will further help lift the company's performance later this year along with virtual reality headsets from Microsoft. Apple's Mac sales rose 14% year-on-year in the past quarter.

The Nikkei reports that Quanta Vice Chairman C.C. Leung stated that they expect their notebook shipments will enjoy a more than 10% sequential increase in the current quarter, and the second half now looks pretty good."

Further, we can note that Apple's strong sales come about after a very weak year when other brands saw market share gains, suggesting that the 2016 has played a significant role, considering the 2015 was what was being sold during that weak year.

It should also be noted that the anecdotal reports of huge 2015 sales do also NOT quantify the specific sales of the 2016 model, and offer a very limited amount of evidence.

Making a solid conclusion here is not possible because we are data deficient. What we can say for sure is Apple is selling a lot of MacBook Pros. Likely, the 2016 is the driving force behind the increase. But 'likely' isn't 'statistically'!

 

[Count Blah]

Thank you ZapNZs.

The only evidence we have is a quote from "Quanta Computer, the sole producer of MacBook Pro products", stating that demand was high. Since they produce all the MBPs, and we don't have any sales breakdown, then ...

I don't know why people don't understand that many held off on purchases, because of the MBP redesign. So yes, there is a bigger demand this year, compared to last.

 

[smallcoffee]

All you are doing is trying to work around the fact that this was a perfectly fine update to the MacBook Pro. It was, and continues to be a best seller. It is what it is, whether it fits your narative or not.

 

[Count Blah]

All you are doing is trying to work around the fact that this was a perfectly fine update to the MacBook Pro. It was, and continues to be a best seller. It is what it is, whether it fits your narative or not.

Perfect for you, Congrats.

 

[smallcoffee]

Perfect for you, Congrats.

Perfect for most people too. If you're using legacy ports or whatever (are you using floppy drives too?) then I guess I could see how a modern computer wouldn't work so well

 

[The Mercurian]

I think its pretty obvious from the earnings results. Not only they earn more money per sold Mac than last year, but also the sale volumes won't be that high if people only bought the old model. Or are you suggesting that everyone was waiting until October 2016 and then actively started buying 2 years old laptop with base configuration?

The earnings results are anything BUT obvious. You all seem to forget the international element. The prices were put up in many countries including on the old models (especially the UK). And yes - I think that a sizeable cohort of people waited to see the new model - then bought the older one when they were disappointed. So these best ever sales figures are a mix of sales of new one and sales of old one. And frankly - while the sales dollars are up - the sales of units are not much different (4% up on this time last year). Given the pent up demand I find that unimpressive.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/apple-q2-2017-financial-results-revenue-figures-apple-earnings-report-3581769/?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/bgr.com/2016/11/22/macbook-pro-2016-sales-strong-demand/amp/


Inb4 some wild goose chase reasoning about how they aren't

Irrelevent. These are the only data of relevance: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/Q2FY17DataSummary.pdf
As you can see - not enough info given to back up claims of best sales ever for the 2016 MBP. Mac including desktops are all in one category. Its global average so ignores currency fluctuations and international pricing which have both changed.

The only real clue will be when the next one comes out. If they continue down the road they are on then sales were great. If they say 'we listened to those of you were not happy and we changed x,y, z,' - then sales were less great than they bragged about/hoped.