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Why do a 'refrigitoaster' by combining router and ATV? Why assume that next to the TV is the best place for a router? Why tie them together at all? Combo devices (looking at you Time Capsule) assure that one dying breaks 2 services.
 
I like how you did that.

You're welcome.

Someone once said (I think in MacRumors) that the natural state of an Apply fan is waiting. We're like kids on the watch for a Christmas Holiday that won't pin itself to a calendar. I finally have the green light to get a Macbook and don't want to settle for the older models. I imagine I'm not the only one. :D
 
And who knows what else may accompany the refresh. Maybe the Macbooks will update. :)

You mean a Mini update##. There really isn't anything out there to give us a decent MacBook update unless the double RAM and the SSDs.
 
They don't need a new box - they need more channels to watch. At the very least for the UK market they need the network catch-up services such BBC iPlayer and ITV Player. Without these channels the AppleTV is a waste of money in the UK new design or not.
 
Why do a 'refrigitoaster' by combining router and ATV? Why assume that next to the TV is the best place for a router? Why tie them together at all? Combo devices (looking at you Time Capsule) assure that one dying breaks 2 services.

I think the reason to combine the APX and Apple TV is to increase the reliability of the wifi network (especially for airplay). You are already 10 feet from your aTV why route through your more distant wifi router.

Steve
 
To me this sounds like a push to get a larger number of people using AppleTV so they can justify the AppleTV Store on it. Think, if they currently have 30 million AppleTVs being used but can increase that number to 50 million in the next few months - they can use that as leverage to persuade developers to create apps for it. ;-)

or they're clearing inventory AND getting more people to buy the Apple TV. it's a win win.
 
Why do a 'refrigitoaster' by combining router and ATV? Why assume that next to the TV is the best place for a router? Why tie them together at all? Combo devices (looking at you Time Capsule) assure that one dying breaks 2 services.

Because it makes lots of sense. ATV already has the majority of the hardware to implement a router, for many homes it would be a far more economical solution. The especially the case if it routes both WiFi and Gb Ethernet.

Frankly if some of the rumors are true I'd be far more inclined to buy this machine. Right now ATV doesn't really do it for me.
 
Very interesting. My only concern with a new revamped Apple TV is a price hike. If it adds an App Store and some other features I can see Apple jacking up the price. Right now the ATV is great because it's only $99.

I know Apple makes their money on hardware sales, but with the MFi controllers and 30% cut on AppStore sales Apple can likely stand to have a low price point entry set top buyin to the Apple ecosystem. The other trick would be a way of linking the ATV with TimeMachine or other Apple NAS with better profit margins as the place to offload and store large items, such as Games(saves) and 1080p/4k video.

However I see some issues. Mainly of Apple allows Apps, people will perhaps expect some limited from of productivity Apps, such as Pages (or a 3rd party). Considering that Apple already allows Bluetooth keyboards, I don't think that's far fetched. Realistically all Apple has to do include mouse drivers and a next iteration ATV is just a weak PC of 5 to 10 yeas ago. This could eventually hurt their full desktop sales.

Here is the cap. A headless MacMini is 600 USD, will be able to drive 4k video out of the box with no effort, has more storage for said content, and does everying a full computer can do, including not having to pay subscriptions for some Web video content. If new ATV begins at 200, with 100 tacked on for each level of storage (32, 64) that would be hitting 400. This is too close to the MacMini's price point. For 200 more dollars you could get a set top PC with double or triple the hardware longevity (in terms of ability to keep up with evolving content). iPhones and iPads are one thing because they are portable and include built in screens/controls/batteries that bring the price up. But an ATV priced that way would defiantly deserve the label "Apple Tax" applied.

I guess they could price bump to 200 with 32GB of storage, but that's still a joke in terms of local storage and HD/4k content. And even at 300 (for 64GB) you're still cutting kinda close to a MacMini, which would be vastly superior in virtually every way.
 
Agreed. That sounds like 'his' network. If the ATV is on it is instant, and even from an off state it is ~5 seconds.

....Really? I have the same problem as the other guy, even like a 10second video recorded on my iPhone would take like a minute to 'buffer' on the Apple TV...
Interesting, I'll have to look into some network settings.
 
To me this sounds like a push to get a larger number of people using AppleTV so they can justify the AppleTV Store on it. Think, if they currently have 30 million AppleTVs being used but can increase that number to 50 million in the next few months - they can use that as leverage to persuade developers to create apps for it. ;-)

I think the leverage would be used more to convince content providers to make better deals. Much more of an issue then App Developers who are more open to a new platform.
 
There will most likely be a $99 ATV w/ no app store, a $149 ATV with 16GB and a $199 ATV w/ 32GB.


I wonder if instead Apple will leverage iCloud, which already knows which apps you've bought. So instead of downloading them onto your ATV, the apps will just stream over the Net like a movie. Maybe the technical challenges inherent in such a setup are what's holding up the new ATV.
 
I know Apple makes their money on hardware sales, but with the MFi controllers and 30% cut on AppStore sales Apple can likely stand to have a low price point entry set top buyin to the Apple ecosystem. The other trick would be a way of linking the ATV with TimeMachine or other Apple NAS with better profit margins as the place to offload and store large items, such as Games(saves) and 1080p/4k video.

However I see some issues. Mainly of Apple allows Apps, people will perhaps expect some limited from of productivity Apps, such as Pages (or a 3rd party). Considering that Apple already allows Bluetooth keyboards, I don't think that's far fetched. Realistically all Apple has to do include mouse drivers and a next iteration ATV is just a weak PC of 5 to 10 yeas ago. This could eventually hurt their full desktop sales.

Here is the cap. A headless MacMini is 600 USD, will be able to drive 4k video out of the box with no effort, has more storage for said content, and does everying a full computer can do, including not having to pay subscriptions for some Web video content. If new ATV begins at 200, with 100 tacked on for each level of storage (32, 64) that would be hitting 400. This is too close to the MacMini's price point. For 200 more dollars you could get a set top PC with double or triple the hardware longevity (in terms of ability to keep up with evolving content). iPhones and iPads are one thing because they are portable and include built in screens/controls/batteries that bring the price up. But an ATV priced that way would defiantly deserve the label "Apple Tax" applied.

I guess they could price bump to 200 with 32GB of storage, but that's still a joke in terms of local storage and HD/4k content. And even at 300 (for 64GB) you're still cutting kinda close to a MacMini, which would be vastly superior in virtually every way.

The issue with the Mac Mini is it is a computer. I tried using one but my wife and kids were lost even with Front Row which now does not even exist. Not everyone is a geek (I say geek proudly) so does not want a computer as the media access point.
 
I am finally guying to buy an Apple TV as soon as they add this feature, which I want more than anything else:
I push AirPlay on my iOS device, and in <1 second, I see that content on the tv.

I don't care if it's mirroring an app or streaming a 2GB video, it needs to be instant. Waiting 2+ minutes to so that it can buffer a 3 minute long home video from my photos app is just useless, and the primary reason I don't yet have an Apple TV.
2+ minutes?? Something's wrong. Mine has never taken more than 5 seconds.

Without knowing anything more about your setup, if I had to guess, I'd say your router is the problem.
 
You mean a Mini update&#55357;&#56860;&#55357;&#56860;. There really isn't anything out there to give us a decent MacBook update unless the double RAM and the SSDs.

I don't ask for much :)
Just 8 GB of RAM and 256 GM SSD at $1299. Sadly, I have to occassionally run Win 7 and it eats up about half of the usable portion of a 128 GB drive

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Possible, because MR writes:

Hmm. I remember that article. I thought the "announcement" would just indicate something months further down the line. Maybe I am wrong. I'd certainly like to be in this case. :D
 
Not going to happen. The TV apps want you to verify your cable provider before giving you access. The TV industry saw the cable cutters coming so they made it you had to log in to your cable company to use these apps. :mad:

That makes sense right now because the revenue stream they get from cable companies far outweighs anything they could get from an app. However, if they can get a critical mass of ATV (or other box users such as Amazon'r rumored box) they may start offering subscriptions via an app.

Of course, if cable cutting becomes popular you'll see a lot more hard caps from ISPs as cable companies seek to recoup lost cable revenue from internet users.
 
I hope they continue to support the 99 box if they come out with something more expensive. Perhaps the new box can stream content and games saved locally to the older boxes and use them as satellite boxes.
 
It's possible that they will introduce hardware now and unlock features (App Store / Broadcast TV) toward the end of the year.
 
I am interested what places like Best Buy and Walmart will do in response to this sale. I don't think the big retailers will allow themselves to be outsold. While the Apple Store often has nice sales, the very best sales can usually be found with other retailers.
So, I'm sure these retailers are now all working on a similar promo, taking the big hint from Apple themselves to clear some of their Apple TV stock.

Since it is a week long offer, maybe wait a few days in case a better promo comes out. Just don't forget to grab one. I have two in my home (living room, and bedroom) and love them.
 
With the talk of combining ATV and APX or linking with TC to provide local storage, I'd like to see the introduction of local 'VideoStream' so you can offload video shot on the iPhone without having to plug in to your Mac.

When you're home, connected and charging your iPhone would push video to the local storage, then, when you fire up iMovie/FCP it would download, acknowledge it's saved and push a "succesfully imported, would you like to delete" message to your iDevice...
 
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