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For a split second I didn't notice it was behind a store window. Just about freaked by by all that glare. ;) Has anyone seen the real deal yet? How do they compare with a matte screen?

Had the chance to play with them this morning at the Apple Store... matte is matte...yes the glare is considerably less in the retna then recent models, but retna's are still glossy (that makes sense yes?) so they don't look like mattes (or johns.. sorry bad joke). Point is, less glare yes. Definitely.
 
Maybe I'm crazy but should'nt a laptop be usable outside? This looks about as usable as my Ipad in Direct Light, meaning Not at all.

"This" referring to what? The image on the article shows no glare on the actual MBP and the glare over the giant fake MBP is clearly from the Apple store's glass window, not from the screen itself. They probably just put a regular HDTV in there and TVs usually don't have glass covering them.
 
Maybe I'm crazy but should'nt a laptop be usable outside? This looks about as usable as my Ipad in Direct Light, meaning Not at all.

How many laptops have e-ink (the technology that works great in e-readers outside)? Or work well in direct sunlight?

Pretty close to zippo. nil. nadda. which might not make you crazy but ...

The point is what renders LCD's not terribly effective in direct sunlight is not just glare but backlighting.
 
I'm still not sure what to think about them replacing the 17" MBP workhorse with a non-upgradable high-res 15" Macbook Air. Skinny is neat, but not really the #1 priority of the "pro" set.

Apple is going to be selling more cinematic displays to "pros." 2 side by side thunderbolt ports! I still want one.
 
I just got back from playing with the new MBP. I was surprised - the glare was not even close to what I thought it would be. Worth checking out at your Apple store. But be warned, you will want one!
 
Maybe I'm crazy but should'nt a laptop be usable outside? This looks about as usable as my Ipad in Direct Light, meaning Not at all.

Are you referring to the glare from the store glass in front of the giant, person sized Macbook Pro display?
 
Who cares? Do you repair your TV, Refrigerator, Washer and Dryer, etc when they have issues?

If people want superior products and new designs, then certain things will have to be sacrificed. Components that you can just swap and remove and repair yourselves is one of them.

They are fitting a ton of hardware/components into a small space. Increased portability and performance come at the expense of easy modification and do it yourself upgrades. The majority of buyers probably don't care about the tradeoff.
 
Wow, look at that tiny MacBook Pro in the middle of the picture next to the larger 13" that fills the screen. That has to be like a MacBook Pro 2" model. It'd fit in my pocket for sure.
 
I'm still not sure what to think about them replacing the 17" MBP workhorse with a non-upgradable high-res 15" Macbook Air. Skinny is neat, but not really the #1 priority of the "pro" set.

Especially when the Mac Pro is being given 'Wait until next year' sort of treatment. as much as I trust Tim Cook, I grok corporate speak, and that means, "with what we know today, upgrading the Mac Pro at this time doesn't maximize the bottom line." To which I say... "If not now, when?"

The 17" was the 'portable Mac Pro.' Now you don't have a Portable version, nor do you have a future compliant top end desktop (thunderbolt, USB3.0, 1600MHz memory, Nvidia as base product, PCI 3.0).

Since I've 'devolved' from a power user to a normal user (alas... I'm management now... I just need lots of VMs... but horsepower is secondary to stability), but I like 'big iron' (I'm old... humor me), so without modern flagship, you end up starting to look like a 2nd rate fleet.
 
Amazon pre-order

Well, I 'pre-ordered' on Amazon (using Prime) to save tax and burn up some Amex points (total of $750 saved on the base retina unit)...that's the good news.

Bad news is I have no idea as to when I can expect my nice, white box to arrive. I assume that Apple will not ship to 3rd party resellers (amazon, Best Buy) until this initial batch is sold out (which it obviously is), and even at that point there's no telling where I stand in the pecking-order on Amazon shipments.

Long question short: is there a history of long (3-4 week) shipping estimates changing/being updated to shorter intervals. Or in other words, is Apple known to give the 'worst case' date and then modify as supplies become more certain?

I am typically a 'custom-order a MBP mid-cycle/wait in line for an iPhone/iPad' type of guy, and not accustomed to their shipping methodology.
 
If a 17" workhorse was their priority, maybe they should have, you know, actually BOUGHT SOME.

The only reason it was discontinued is that the bloody thing didn't sell. Let's stop pretending it did, 'kay?

I can take partial blame for that. I have been saving up for a year to get "the new MBP" and wanted the 17". To my chagrin, now that the 17" is gone and the 15" MBP-R is out, that is what I sepnt my money on. So by holding out for a new 17", I ended up getting the 15".
 
Who cares? Do you repair your TV, Refrigerator, Washer and Dryer, etc when they have issues?

If people want superior products and new designs, then certain things will have to be sacrificed. Components that you can just swap and remove and repair yourselves is one of them.

I agree to this to some extent... but this is the Fleet Flagship (at the moment, since the Mac Pro Motherboard wasn't upgraded to support the latest greatest stuff, eg PCI 3.0, thunderbolt, USB3.0), one would argue that general futureproofing for the 'fleet leader' is a good thing.

However, I think we are starting to sense that 'professional' people are treating laptops like cars... 'lease them' for 2 years, then upgrade in whole. who modifies a BMW with aftermarket parts? puts a new Engine in? New Transmission? larger gas tank?

The 'hacker' laptop owner... well, if you're a true hacker... time to get the solvents and the soldering irons out;-)
 
Long question short: is there a history of long (3-4 week) shipping estimates changing/being updated to shorter intervals. Or in other words, is Apple known to give the 'worst case' date and then modify as supplies become more certain?

There are folks already seeing that their ship dates are days earlier than initially listed on their order. Mine still shows July 2-9 and am hoping my ships early. I upgraded to the 768GB so my ship date jumped 2 weeks from that alone.
 
MBPR Sounds very promising. I'm definitely not a power user but I like owning quality products and when it comes to my MBP's I hold on to them for a long time so I don't mind paying the premium. I'm not too concerned about upgradability as the minimum specs are more then enough for me to use the web browsing, email, MS office, Music/movies and airplay and the latest OS for a very long time.

Battery replacement is a bit more of a concern but by the sound of it the new unibody batteries seem to last a lot longer then the current removeable battery in my early 2008 pre unibody mbp.

Trying to decide if I want to make the move now or wait another year as mountain lion will still work on my 08 MBP.

Either way I would suggest most people wait to buy any mac till they ship with Mountain Lion pre installed. Ya its easy to upgrade but its always nice to have a clean installed OS.
 
I can take partial blame for that. I have been saving up for a year to get "the new MBP" and wanted the 17". To my chagrin, now that the 17" is gone and the 15" MBP-R is out, that is what I sepnt my money on. So by holding out for a new 17", I ended up getting the 15".

funny... I see 62 online stores selling the 17" new. It's not like they are dropping support for the darn thing tomorrow. If you need 17", then get 17"

If you need "badassest Mac Laptop" then you're misreading your original requirements, as 'want' != 'need'
 
Received new MBP-R this morning!

Custom MBP-R with 16 gb ram and 512 gb hd and a 2.7 cpu. Ordered it about 1:15pm on launch day!

Was given an estimate of the 21st - the 25th! Thats eight days earlier then I was lamenting waiting and BEFORE I could have picked up a stocked model in my area!

So pumped. Transferring from my 2007 17" MBP now. Waited a long time for this and wish there was a 17" version but I am very happy with this forma factor!
 
Long question short: is there a history of long (3-4 week) shipping estimates changing/being updated to shorter intervals. Or in other words, is Apple known to give the 'worst case' date and then modify as supplies become more certain?

I am typically a 'custom-order a MBP mid-cycle/wait in line for an iPhone/iPad' type of guy, and not accustomed to their shipping methodology.

Generally, yes Apple gives the most pessimistic shipping time so people are thrilled if it ships "early." Two big factors here: 1) availability of Retina displays and 2) how fast the production line is ramping up since this is an all-new machine.

Also the 3-4 weeks is for CTO, not retail. I would imagine Apple has a separate production line and allocation system for 3rd party resellers and distributors. They'll probably be getting stock sooner than 3-4 weeks.
 
"This" referring to what? The image on the article shows no glare on the actual MBP and the glare over the giant fake MBP is clearly from the Apple store's glass window, not from the screen itself. They probably just put a regular HDTV in there and TVs usually don't have glass covering them.



These displays are cardboard behind the store window the only glare is the store window no HDTV

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