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Well I sure you can pay for the world's obesity problem.

What? Perhaps I should have been more blunt with my statement. I was referring not only to bacon, but to the implications this could lead to in regards to privacy. Though, it seems to be something that kids these days don't care about anyways.

Enjoy your micro-managed cookie cutter no freedom having life. You'll get what's coming to you, don't say I haven't warned you.
 
What? Perhaps I should have been more blunt with my statement. I was referring not only to bacon, but to the implications this could lead to in regards to privacy. Though, it seems to be something that kids these days don't care about anyways.

Enjoy your micro-managed cookie cutter no freedom having life. You'll get what's coming to you, don't say I haven't warned you.
People have been predicting that technology would take away our freedom or otherwise destroy our souls for thousands of years. None of the dire predictions have come to pass- we now enjoy far more freedoms than at any time in history while simultaneously enjoying unprecedented prosperity and good health.
 
This is genius.

Just ordered some beacons. Finally, home automation might actually automate reliably without the need to press switches.
 
This is genius.

Just ordered some beacons. Finally, home automation might actually automate reliably without the need to press switches.

This is stupid not genius. Home automation sensors were able to determine human presence for decades. With new revolutionary tech you'll have to haul your i device around the house all the time.
 
This is stupid not genius. Home automation sensors were able to determine human presence for decades. With new revolutionary tech you'll have to haul your i device around the house all the time.

This is genius upon entering the front door when no one is home. No fiddling with key/phone/app, the door just opens and the lighting and heat settings activate depending on hour of the day.

That is not stupid.

Same thing when going to bed. I always charge my phone by the bed, and now the beacons will tell my software when to shut down the house.

That is not stupid either.
 
People have been predicting that technology would take away our freedom or otherwise destroy our souls for thousands of years. None of the dire predictions have come to pass- we now enjoy far more freedoms than at any time in history while simultaneously enjoying unprecedented prosperity and good health.

With all due respect, Proline, I think you may actually be delusional. You should seek professional help.

Your statement couldn't be further from the truth. I feel bad for you and your family.
 
This is stupid not genius. Home automation sensors were able to determine human presence for decades. With new revolutionary tech you'll have to haul your i device around the house all the time.
That simply isn't the case. Current and past home automation sensors have not met widespread appeal. While variable in quality, they often have high error rates such as not being able to track stationary objects (the lights go off when you reading your newspaper), false positives (the toilets that flush while you are trying to wipe your behind), lag (lights that don't come on until you are halfway across the room), etc. as well as poor coverage (you have to have them all over your house), and lack of intelligent software and coherent networking. While current home automation has some successes, most people find it annoying and gimmicky on the balance because of all the problems put together.

An iBeacon could cover an entire level of a typical house and solve many of these problems making home automation actually work. A system where if you have been on the toilet for more than 30 seconds it flushed as soon as you step away from it suddenly becomes realistic. Lights could come on when you are nearing a room, not when you are already in it. Coffee pots that start when you get out of bed.

The obvious problem is that the iBeacon solution would require everyone to carry a phone at all times. This won't catch on. However, we could be moving this way when other 'wearables' are thrown into the mix. What you have to remember is that home automation currently is like what MP3 players were like in 1999- cool for some enthusiasts but gimmicky for everyone else. iBeacon could help change that.

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With all due respect, Proline, I think you may actually be delusional. You should seek professional help.

Your statement couldn't be further from the truth. I feel bad for you and your family.
I knew you would say that. You are probably one of those conspiracy nuts who reads about the NSA all day. However, scandal of the day notwithstanding, freedoms are at an all-time high. 300 years ago you would have had a choice of one or two religions or faced serious persecution. 250 years ago you would have had no say at all concerning the laws of your country. 200 years ago you could have been a slave. 100 years ago you wouldn't have been allowed to vote if you were a woman. 50 years ago you could have been chemically castrated by the state for being gay.

Freedoms have gone up in no small part because of technology, that's really the only way to explain the huge progress in the last century compared to the millennia before that. Communications and integration technologies are a huge part of these advances. Enjoy reading your doomsday newsletters, but sadly for you and happily for everyone else you will die an old man without getting to see the Orwellian apocalypse that you fantasize about.
 
...and checking your medical records then denying your purchase of bacon.


NO F'N THANK YOU!
??? Are sales people allowed to deny sales of bacon when they see an overweight person now? How does iBeacon change that?

Food that is bad for one person is bad for everyone, not just people poor medical histories. Hell we don't even forbid cigarette sales except to minors.
 
Apples top secret app is the one I'm eager for them to use.

It's called iBetterQC.

The result is better product quality and bug free performance.

Bring it on Apple!
 
I wonder when Apple will start selling iBeacons to the public. This could be really useful for small businesses. Walk into a restaurant and their menu shows up on your iPhone...

Do you really want this? Just imagine how much garbage commercials your phone would collect as you walk in the city. One ate every corner and/or door.
 
??? Are sales people allowed to deny sales of bacon when they see an overweight person now? How does iBeacon change that?

Food that is bad for one person is bad for everyone, not just people poor medical histories. Hell we don't even forbid cigarette sales except to minors.

I'm not talking about sales people denying sales.

I'm talking about the bigger picture. So much of our "money" is already electronic... you don't think it would be a pretty easy switch to flip to deny someone's purchase of something deemed harmful to them, or the sale of anything for that matter?

It's coming.

You know...they did a dry run of cutting off money at a select few Walmart stores not too long ago, didn't you hear? Granted it was EBT but that is irrelevant. The people went bat***** crazy. Try that on a larger scale and then be forced to 'contain it' ... they do the training for these scenarios all the time. Get a clue!

Manufacture a crisis, save the day, become the hero that everyone 'wants' to protect them via whatever means/loss of freedoms.

If you can't see what's happening, I just don't know what to tell you. Prepare yourself.

When your government says you're allowed to do certain things and not allowed to do another- that IS NOT FREEDOM.

Sometimes I wonder why I even care so much if people truly do not want to take personal responsibility.
 
I knew you would say that. You are probably one of those conspiracy nuts who reads about the NSA all day. However, scandal of the day notwithstanding, freedoms are at an all-time high. 300 years ago you would have had a choice of one or two religions or faced serious persecution. 250 years ago you would have had no say at all concerning the laws of your country. 200 years ago you could have been a slave. 100 years ago you wouldn't have been allowed to vote if you were a woman. 50 years ago you could have been chemically castrated by the state for being gay.

Freedoms have gone up in no small part because of technology, that's really the only way to explain the huge progress in the last century compared to the millennia before that. Communications and integration technologies are a huge part of these advances. Enjoy reading your doomsday newsletters, but sadly for you and happily for everyone else you will die an old man without getting to see the Orwellian apocalypse that you fantasize about.

*Yawn*

You're a bigger slave today than at any time in history, my friend.

No amount of argument from me will bring you out of your coma. You must realize things on your own.

Laugh at me all you want, it doesn't hurt my feelings.

A slave who believes he is free is the best slave, as he knows not of the chains that bind him.

If you really want to live in that kind of world, be my guest... just don't go on telling me that it's a fairytale perfect little world because I know better.
 
Do you really want this? Just imagine how much garbage commercials your phone would collect as you walk in the city. One ate every corner and/or door.

It would depend on how it is implemented. I certainly wouldn't want them on the lock screen, but an iBeacons app could be very useful. It might display all the beacons in your general vicinity, and you could tap on them to get more information.
 
When your government says you're allowed to do certain things and not allowed to do another- that IS NOT FREEDOM.
LOL. You aren't talking about freedom, what you want is anarchy. Every government has rules, that's the point. If you want anarchy go live in some tribal society like Afghanistan where you can do whatever you want (until someone stronger comes along and kills you).

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Laugh at me all you want, it doesn't hurt my feelings.

A slave who believes he is free is the best slave, as he knows not of the chains that bind him.
I can laugh at you, and I will. You realize you're talking about a product you can buy for your phone, right? Get some perspective man.
 
LOL. You aren't talking about freedom, what you want is anarchy. Every government has rules, that's the point. If you want anarchy go live in some tribal society like Afghanistan where you can do whatever you want (until someone stronger comes along and kills you).

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I can laugh at you, and I will. You realize you're talking about a product you can buy for your phone, right? Get some perspective man.


You realize that it always starts out small, right? It always starts out with good intentions and a promise that your dear leaders would 'never abuse' the power.

Then they kick you in the face and laugh, and you're too ignorant to see it. All you can do when faced with what's really going on is deny it. You could be showed all of the laws they've passed for themselves and all the details of their plans laid out, but you'll still deny it could ever happen. You've been conditioned to believe that nothing like that could ever happen, not to you, not to your country.

You don't see the chains and they're right in front of your face.

Peace out, Broski. I'm not arguing with you anymore.
 
You realize that it always starts out small, right? It always starts out with good intentions and a promise that your dear leaders would 'never abuse' the power.

Then they kick you in the face and laugh, and you're too ignorant to see it. All you can do when faced with what's really going on is deny it. You could be showed all of the laws they've passed for themselves and all the details of their plans laid out, but you'll still deny it could ever happen. You've been conditioned to believe that nothing like that could ever happen, not to you, not to your country.

You don't see the chains and they're right in front of your face.

Peace out, Broski. I'm not arguing with you anymore.
Fair enough. I'm sure you have a lot to read over at 911truth.org. Thank you for your time.
 
I'm not talking about sales people denying sales.

I'm talking about the bigger picture. So much of our "money" is already electronic... you don't think it would be a pretty easy switch to flip to deny someone's purchase of something deemed harmful to them, or the sale of anything for that matter?

It's coming.

You know...they did a dry run of cutting off money at a select few Walmart stores not too long ago, didn't you hear? Granted it was EBT but that is irrelevant. The people went bat***** crazy. Try that on a larger scale and then be forced to 'contain it' ... they do the training for these scenarios all the time. Get a clue!

Manufacture a crisis, save the day, become the hero that everyone 'wants' to protect them via whatever means/loss of freedoms.

If you can't see what's happening, I just don't know what to tell you. Prepare yourself.

When your government says you're allowed to do certain things and not allowed to do another- that IS NOT FREEDOM.

Sometimes I wonder why I even care so much if people truly do not want to take personal responsibility.
If someone could be denied a purchase of something with electronic transactions, they could easily be denied a purchase of something without the electronic transactions. The lack of electronic transaction doesn't do anything to prevent that.

I get what you're saying, but you're paranoid in the wrong direction. The things we buy are from private corporations who will stop at nothing to enable you to buy anything and everything. My concern is the opposite of yours - that iBeacon will make it easier than ever to make impulse purchases. And it's precisely because few people take personal responsibility. The solution to all the problems we create by over-consumption is...more consumption. eg The food industry creates the health problems that the pharmaceutical and healthcare industry happily address (by maintaining people's lives without actually curing them).
 
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Nope. NFC requires your device be within 4 inches or so to communicate. iBeacons are all based on the Bluetooth LE 4.0 standard, and can have a varying range of around 160 ft.

But Apples implementation of BLE can define geofences of varying degrees, so the idea of walking into your bedroom and the phone going into do not disturb mode is perfectly possible.

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And that is precisely why Apple chose not to jump on the NFC bandwagon.

Apple are, simply put, just smarter than everyone out there.

NFC is 4" by design. Its a security decision made because the primary us case is paying for something. Bluetooth LE has a much wider scope of functionality and Apple wasn't the only company to define it. They are on the committee and just the first to apparently take advantage of it.

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It's bad enough being accosted by salespeople in a store when you just want to look around. Who actually wants their phone to bug them too? Is it no longer possible to simply look at an object in a store without the experience being supplemented by infotainment beamed into a glowing screen?

You have to download an app from the business first. So in effect, opting-in for ibeacon functionality.
 
Well, iBeacons is a good thing, but I would prefer to have them both, with NFC. Almost everyone forgets that NFC can be passive device (requires no power), but bluetooth devices should have a battery (even if 4.0 LE is very efficient in power consumption). So, you can place NFC tag and forget it, but in case of iBeacon you need to keep in mind that one day it will stop working because of discharged battery.
 
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