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Apple Reveals All-New Mac Pro With Up to 28-Core Processor and 1.5TB of RAM, Starting at $5,999
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The Promise Pegasus J2i looks like it mounts right there. They also have a larger unit that can be mounted in one of the MPX bays.
My bad, I see them keep saying "PCI Express" everywhere, I just thought they'd do the sensible thing and do it properly. Now I see it's kind of on the wrong side of the cards
Possibly. Maybe to allow aftermarket (non mpx) video cards to route DP signals to TB3 ports....
Yeah that’s a possibility too. It really gives some aspect of scale when you realise an mpx module can fit four spinning rust drives!
I'm reserving judgement until iFixit finds some 6/8pin power connectors to power those standard PCI-E cards that require more power than the slot alone provides (w/o the Apple/MPX connection). From what I understand the MPX connection provides the additional power required by those cards (usually supplied by 6/8pin connections) as well as the video path from the card to the TB3 ports. If I misunderstood this point, more than willing to be corrected.
I'm hoping that it's real. I want to believe it has the level of expansion the slots should provide. But w/o *power?
* Yes, could just buy a power supply from Newegg, set it behind the Mac Pro, snake in one of the 8pin connectors into the case to power a standard card if needed.. can make it all work out somehow.. but.. why in the name of God should anyone have to do that with a $6000+ computer?
Ah, thank you, had not seen that when I first read (and was looking for it too)
Appreciate the info.
I put a lot of effort into comparing apples to apples. Every component listed is at least workstation grade, if not server grade. They will all work together perfectly. I did make one mistake and assigned the W-3225 CPU when it should be the W-3223 - So $2000 in components, not $2500. Please tell me - What am I missing? What am I getting for the extra $4000? A different case? Less expandability? The inability to use over half the graphics cards on the market (without support)? Or just a fruit logo and Tim Cook's blessing to use his company's (admittedly good) software?
If you buy one of these machines it'll last you a solid 5-8 years at least. Look at the price per year, it's not that bad. Investing in yourself is always a good idea.
Sorry if I missed this in prior replies but has anyone seen if the CPU is swapplable if you want to upgrade from 8 cores to 12 cores at a later date?
Yes, Cheese Grater version 3.0!
[doublepost=1559673087][/doublepost].... But hey, a least it still has a 3.5 mm headphone jack!
My new TV came with hokey little legs at the sides and I replaced them with a VESA-mounted pedestal stand.
I'm sure there will be 3rd party stands using the VESA mount.
I'm sure there will be 3rd party stands using the VESA mount.
I don't want to sound like a complainer, so I want to start off saying I don't hate the new Mac Pro. I'm okay with the aesthetics and I like the specs. But I am disappointed because it feels like Apple created a new pro that is no longer for me. I'm heart broken because it feels like a "breakup" is going to happen soon where I really don't want to.
I own Mac Pros for a while. G3, G4, G5, 2009 Mac Pro (with 8 cores). My first 8-core Mac Pro cost me $3000+ (I forgot the exact amount I paid for it). and I never regretted it. I upgraded with Sapphire Radeon GPU, and even with the OWC's PCIe SSD. It was heavy as heck! My only complaint was I hated moving it. 2013, I saw the "trashcan" Mac Pro and upgraded to the 8-core model for a little under $5000. I knew then I needed to start saving up for my next Mac Pro when this one inevitably gets obsolete in 5-7 years. It's almost that 6-year mark and I've saved roughly $6k for my next upgrade... but I really needed more cores not more IO. My workflow is to run VMs (windows VM). I'm beginning to feel a CPU pinch in my VM's performance and would have really liked it to give more virtual cores to my VMs.
MacOs Fusion with Windows VM + Unity provided me one of the BEST VM desktops I've experience, and I used Windows as my host, Linux (Redhat, Ubuntu, Elementary-Loki)... With Linux I've been really testing my productivity with various Linux flavors with VMware Workstation Pro (and KVM and VirtuaBox) -- VMWare still provided me the fastest performance even on Linux. But my own evaluation of Linux is still much less ideal than Mac OS.
I was really hoping $4999 - $5999 would be a 16-core SKU, and not an 8-core SKUs... and that AMD Ryzen zen3 CPUs would have help drive down cost where $5000 would get us 16-cores easily. But at $5999+tax and I still can't even get more core-count meant I may need to look elsewhere to spend $5K (though I was saving for $6-7k). I'm not very hopefully even for $7k (after tax) I can get 16-core from Apple's Mac Pro.
With Threadripper at 32-core/64-threads, and Zen3's 12-core/24-thread, it's making me think I'd have to force myself to use Windows10 host (with painful process of locking down custom security and disabling the annoying Windows update), and run my VMs that way off VMware Workstation.
Had $5999 been a 16-core SKU, I would have easily upgraded to this new SKU so that I could stay with the MacOS hostOS. I haven't finalize my decision yet... still conflicted, I need to see if AMD really would release a 16-core Zen3 CPU or not, and/or see what $5000 could get me in terms of threadripper. I really want something in mini-ITX form factor (easy to move around). I do have an old HP BlackBird002 gaming chassis I saved that I can convert to threadripper.
But Windows 10 Pro/home... uck (I like Windows 10 Enterprise a lot though... no forced auto-updates, and it leaves me alone to be productive and never cost me loss of work).
I own Mac Pros for a while. G3, G4, G5, 2009 Mac Pro (with 8 cores). My first 8-core Mac Pro cost me $3000+ (I forgot the exact amount I paid for it). and I never regretted it. I upgraded with Sapphire Radeon GPU, and even with the OWC's PCIe SSD. It was heavy as heck! My only complaint was I hated moving it. 2013, I saw the "trashcan" Mac Pro and upgraded to the 8-core model for a little under $5000. I knew then I needed to start saving up for my next Mac Pro when this one inevitably gets obsolete in 5-7 years. It's almost that 6-year mark and I've saved roughly $6k for my next upgrade... but I really needed more cores not more IO. My workflow is to run VMs (windows VM). I'm beginning to feel a CPU pinch in my VM's performance and would have really liked it to give more virtual cores to my VMs.
MacOs Fusion with Windows VM + Unity provided me one of the BEST VM desktops I've experience, and I used Windows as my host, Linux (Redhat, Ubuntu, Elementary-Loki)... With Linux I've been really testing my productivity with various Linux flavors with VMware Workstation Pro (and KVM and VirtuaBox) -- VMWare still provided me the fastest performance even on Linux. But my own evaluation of Linux is still much less ideal than Mac OS.
I was really hoping $4999 - $5999 would be a 16-core SKU, and not an 8-core SKUs... and that AMD Ryzen zen3 CPUs would have help drive down cost where $5000 would get us 16-cores easily. But at $5999+tax and I still can't even get more core-count meant I may need to look elsewhere to spend $5K (though I was saving for $6-7k). I'm not very hopefully even for $7k (after tax) I can get 16-core from Apple's Mac Pro.
With Threadripper at 32-core/64-threads, and Zen3's 12-core/24-thread, it's making me think I'd have to force myself to use Windows10 host (with painful process of locking down custom security and disabling the annoying Windows update), and run my VMs that way off VMware Workstation.
Had $5999 been a 16-core SKU, I would have easily upgraded to this new SKU so that I could stay with the MacOS hostOS. I haven't finalize my decision yet... still conflicted, I need to see if AMD really would release a 16-core Zen3 CPU or not, and/or see what $5000 could get me in terms of threadripper. I really want something in mini-ITX form factor (easy to move around). I do have an old HP BlackBird002 gaming chassis I saved that I can convert to threadripper.
But Windows 10 Pro/home... uck (I like Windows 10 Enterprise a lot though... no forced auto-updates, and it leaves me alone to be productive and never cost me loss of work).
From: "a thermal corner." (as many here, including myself pointed out)
To: "a price point corner."
To: "a price point corner."
People who use that aren't "Pro", not to Apple apparently.
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Why? Really? Why?
im not completely surprised by the cost... i mean i remember when i bought my first power mac, an 8500/120 in 1995 for $4500. Im pretty disappointed by their insistence on custom proprietary GPUs yet again, but the return of internal expansion is something that ive been praying for, for the last six years. I certainly can't justify the price of one new, but in a few years when my current dual xeon hackintosh system (with 7 expansion slots) bites the dust i'll definitely be looking at getting one of these. the loss of internal expansion was what drove me to the hackintosh route to begin with.
The thing is, most of the people clamoring for a return to a modular Mac Pro will never need as much power as this new machine provides. What they really desired was the upgradability: RAM, PCIe, and HDD (yes, 3.5 SATA HDD which can store terabytes of files that don't require SSD speed).
I find it hard to believe that folks at Apple were not smart enough to recognize this segment of their clientele. I consider myself a power-user who would be just fine with an 6- or 8-core i9, but who refuses to have inaccessible and/or soldered storage and RAM. If Apple were such geniuses at design, they would be able to provide user-upgradability to their consumer-level Macs without sacrificing form or function. The fact that they don't is evidently a deliberate choice, and as such, one of the prime reasons Apple has continued to lose my trust and likely my future business.
I find it hard to believe that folks at Apple were not smart enough to recognize this segment of their clientele. I consider myself a power-user who would be just fine with an 6- or 8-core i9, but who refuses to have inaccessible and/or soldered storage and RAM. If Apple were such geniuses at design, they would be able to provide user-upgradability to their consumer-level Macs without sacrificing form or function. The fact that they don't is evidently a deliberate choice, and as such, one of the prime reasons Apple has continued to lose my trust and likely my future business.
Yes, but if and only if those apple parts are really standard. If you have to buy expansion and upgrade options only from apple, it could be a financial nightmare. Technology is becoming cheaper, not more expensive. Apple seems to be wanting to go against current on that fact. I see no excuse for a 6000 computer with 256 SDD with basically Intel Architecture and an AMD video card. The premium is just too high.
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I have to agree with this statement. There is still a market for the 2000 - 4000 MacBook Pro like there was with the previous, previous generation G5.
$6000 to start for the BASE model with only 8-cores? Another $6000 for the monitor that goes with it plus another $1000 if you want your monitor on the actual "Pro" STAND..... $13,000 for the BASE CONFIGURATION with monitor..... Does it even have the new PCIe 4.0 standard that will become available this summer? I see NOTHING on Apple's site to indicate that it does. So $13,000 and that's not even with 4TB of hard drive space!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry, I can't put ENOUGH exclamation marks to indicate what a farking POS RIP-OFF this thing is). To think the "last" Cheese Grater Mac Pro started out at a mere $2000 and could be purchased by someone that doesn't make a six figure salary to pay for the farking thing.
Meanwhile, you'll be able to get a PCI 4.0e based Windows machine this summer for $2000 with a 12-core AMD processor, 32GB of ram and a new 7nm Radeon card that will KILL every standard Mac there is. With the announcement of "notarization" being MANDATORY in the future, I'm thinking of giving Windows 10 a real chance with a new gaming rig based around the new PCIe 4.0 motherboards that come out this summer and if it's pleasant to use, I might just switch back to Windows full time. Apple is beyond greedy at this stage. They've become reckless. I'm sure the Apple Kool-Aid drinkers will encourage me to leave after 13-years, but soon that's the only people that will be left. Kool-Aid drinkers that don't know the first thing about a computer and just do Facebook and yet still paid $2K for an iMac or Macbook that a $300 PC could have done for them just fine. The real "power" users aren't going to pay $13k for a Mac Pro with a bus that is out-of-date on release and won't be updated AGAIN for another farking SIX YEARS (Apple has PROVEN this is how much they care about their Mac Pro users by doing it twice already and Mac Minis average 3.5 years between releases too.... iPhones are all Apple really cares about.
Meanwhile, you'll be able to get a PCI 4.0e based Windows machine this summer for $2000 with a 12-core AMD processor, 32GB of ram and a new 7nm Radeon card that will KILL every standard Mac there is. With the announcement of "notarization" being MANDATORY in the future, I'm thinking of giving Windows 10 a real chance with a new gaming rig based around the new PCIe 4.0 motherboards that come out this summer and if it's pleasant to use, I might just switch back to Windows full time. Apple is beyond greedy at this stage. They've become reckless. I'm sure the Apple Kool-Aid drinkers will encourage me to leave after 13-years, but soon that's the only people that will be left. Kool-Aid drinkers that don't know the first thing about a computer and just do Facebook and yet still paid $2K for an iMac or Macbook that a $300 PC could have done for them just fine. The real "power" users aren't going to pay $13k for a Mac Pro with a bus that is out-of-date on release and won't be updated AGAIN for another farking SIX YEARS (Apple has PROVEN this is how much they care about their Mac Pro users by doing it twice already and Mac Minis average 3.5 years between releases too.... iPhones are all Apple really cares about.
I think the only differentiator here is the design and how they have arquitected the system to provide more power, cooling, etc. Also, that afterburner thing, which is clearly proprietary. The rest is just uplift unfortunately. I do not understand how a base model comes with 256 SDD and costs 6000 dollars. That is a not logical at all.
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In the case of the base, I would buy the iMac Pro instead of this one. I get more for less money.
[doublepost=1559680727][/doublepost]Power Mac G5
Apple Power Mac G5
Developer Apple Computer, Inc.
Type Desktop
Release date June 23, 2003
Introductory price US$1,999 (equivalent to $2,723 in 2018)
[doublepost=1559680961][/doublepost]https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-how-much-top-spec-price-estimate-ballpark
Alrighty. Let's start with your Power Supply... the Mac Pro is running a 1.5KW PS. Are you accounting for that? Your $50 case is going to compare to a custom designed Aluminum enclosure for longevity and thermal efficiency? Where is your fan, cable, and cooling budget? How loud will this machine be?
Plus your spec'd MB only supports a 205W CPU, not the 300W plus that the Mac Pro offers. And you need to add in a warranty of some sort (intangible benefit), and all of the custom controllers (T2, TB3, etc).
Sure, you can get the entry level performance at a cheaper price, and a DYI guy can go build their own hardware solution and sideload macOS on it. But if you're running a production studio and have employees that draw salary regardless if their computer is working (and don't have time to set up and maintain some custom rigs), then you buy a Mac Pro and forget about it. And don't discount all of the time it takes you to build and configure the computer, which is ~$50/hr minimum for an insured contractor.
I'm also worried about the potential ripple effect of pricing this high. Tech companies seem to be testing the depth of consumers' wallets more frequently of late.
Software lock-in and outrageous prices will eventually doom such companies, but not before they've left a trail of debt and debris in millions of customers.
Software lock-in and outrageous prices will eventually doom such companies, but not before they've left a trail of debt and debris in millions of customers.
You make a right point. The point other people are making is that this is clearly a machine for that market. (the production studios), however there is no Mac Pro for the 'entry level' pros. That is the issue being discussed.