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Apple Reverses Course, Allows Transmit to Reinstate 'Send To' Feature

theheadguy said:
You're missing the point, and a fairly simple one at that.
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Please enlighten me then, but I think I got the point - it's just a stupid point to make. Apple essentially invented the modern appstore as we know it today, I hope it continues to evolve its positions and rules - Apple can be forgiven if a side-effect is that it makes Apple look inconsistent. One of the great things about software as a product is that the product is dynamic and can change at very low cost. It would stupid of Apple to dig in their heels and say that every decision ever is final, and it's unreasonable to expect it to get it exactly right every time.

For example, this guy gets it:
Swift said:
This was obviously a bad decision from the start, and very quickly has been corrected. They make thousands of decisions a day. The rules have been changing from the beginning, and were MUCH stricter under Jobs. So relax.
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My thought on this is that the Apple app reviewers don't really know and make their own judgement calls, and when it generates enough interest that the press is covering it, that makes the issue visible to Apple execs, and they then decide how to handle it. This is exactly what I thought would eventually happen.

As a developer, I've had issues with Apple reviewers rejecting a version of an app for a feature that Apple documentation says is acceptable, and then I redesign the app, only to submit it later with the feature it was rejected for and it gets approved with no issues. That makes me believe that the reviewers are not very well trained, and not very knowledgeable about Apples policies.
 
JackieInCo said:
These reversals really make Apple look like they have no idea what they are doing.
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yeah -- so do their record sales every quarter and all-time high stock price. no idea what theyre doing!

i wish my company could be as clueless.

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Aluminum213 said:
Welcome to post Jobs era folks, where an MBA numbers guy is running the company
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and their phones & laptops are better than ever in history, theyre selling more than every in history, and the stock is stronger than ever in history.

Cook just nominated Person of the Year by the FT. who's your ceo? lets see your company's stats...
 
It was probably pulled by a midlevel employee upon discovery of non-compliance and more thoroughly reviewed and reinstated by someone more senior once it came to their attention.

Nothing to see here. This happens.
 
People complained about Apple forcing them to remove the feature.....and complaining about Apple allowing them to add it back, SMH people :rolleyes:
 
Bob Sanders said:
The functionality was different in each case. Neato should have been banned, a keyboard in a Today view widget is idiotic. Drafts probably should have been allowed because it was small and functional.

The Transmit share sheet ban was always destined to be overturned. It didn't make a bit of sense and the person behind it probably got yelled at by upper management today.
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And?

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Rodneyt78 said:
People complained about Apple forcing them to remove the feature.....and complaining about Apple allowing them to add it back, SMH people :rolleyes:
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Really? That's what you came away from this with?
 
oneMadRssn said:
One of the great things about software as a product is that the product is dynamic and can change at very low cost.
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It's only very low cost if you don't have to pay for the lost time.

If a developer invests 100 hours into a feature that gets rejected because Apple likes the dynamic nature of rules that developer lost 100 hours.

This isn't Kindergarten where you can change rules constantly because there are no consequences besides that your friend doesn't like you anymore (for the next hour).

This is business, and third party developer invest time and money to make apps. Apps that make iOS the great platform it is. And it's just not fair to waste the time of developers because you don't have to pay.

Sure, Apple doesn't do that deliberately. But still. It's annoying and in the end it hurts the platform. They should get their act together. Quickly.
 
Really seems like they should raise the issue and figure it out first, before pulling the app. It's kind of like "guilty until proven innocent" and creates confusion and frustration for everyone involved.
 
Apple either needs to put someone in charge of app store policy and make sure that all of the reviewers have a clear policy in place as to what can be allowed—and if it's questionable, they can easily escalate it up to their boss for clarification. Or if such a position already exists, they need to fire whoever is in charge of their policy and implementation or demote them to a lower position. It's just embarrassing and makes Apple look like a power tripping mega-corporation. I tend to believe they're simply incompetent and not being malicious when it comes to these approvals. I mean, doing this really does defeat the whole purpose of iCloud Drive to a certain extent as well as 3rd party file services across iOS, which was one of the main new features in iOS 8.
 
Bob Sanders said:
The functionality was different in each case. Neato should have been banned, a keyboard in a Today view widget is idiotic. Drafts probably should have been allowed because it was small and functional.

The Transmit share sheet ban was always destined to be overturned. It didn't make a bit of sense and the person behind it probably got yelled at by upper management today.
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Neato should have been banned according to whom? Bob Sanders?:confused:
Not sure how their keyboard was idiotic, but you're more than entitled to your opinion. If the widget was functional and their customers found it useful, I personally don't see the problem. For those that didn't like it they could have easily not downloaded it. Some say it cluttered the NC. I say BS unless it cluttered every NC on every iPhone. :rolleyes: Neato's keyboard was no less functional than Draft's widget and it only affected those who wanted the app; not iOS in it's entirety.
 
macduke said:
Apple either needs to put someone in charge of app store policy and make sure that all of the reviewers have a clear policy in place as to what can be allowed—and if it's questionable, they can easily escalate it up to their boss for clarification. Or if such a position already exists, they need to fire whoever is in charge of their policy and implementation or demote them to a lower position. It's just embarrassing and makes Apple look like a power tripping mega-corporation. I tend to believe they're simply incompetent and not being malicious when it comes to these approvals. I mean, doing this really does defeat the whole purpose of iCloud Drive to a certain extent as well as 3rd party file services across iOS, which was one of the main new features in iOS 8.
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Or Tim Cook could offer Phil Schiller an early retirement package. :)

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69Mustang said:
Neato should have been banned according to whom? Bob Sanders?:confused:
Not sure how their keyboard was idiotic, but you're more than entitled to your opinion. If the widget was functional and their customers found it useful, I personally don't see the problem. For those that didn't like it they could have easily not downloaded it. Some say it cluttered the NC. I say BS unless it cluttered every NC on every iPhone. :rolleyes: Neato's keyboard was no less functional than Draft's widget and it only affected those who wanted the app; not iOS in it's entirety.
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Since widgets don't just show up in NC; users have to manually add them I think Apple should be more flexible. And rather than focusing on removing useful widgets how about dealing with all the stupid IAP apps and focusing on getting quality entertainment apps in the App Store.
 
69Mustang said:
Forgive me, I have no idea what your comment means.
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Sanders presented it as completely obvious that Neato should be banned. You presented it as completely obvious that Neato should not be banned. Both of you presumably would say that you are reasonable persons.

So, either these situations are not as obvious as you both seem to profess or one of you two is an outlier. Either way, an app reviewer making a decision that is considered not at all reasonable by a considerable amount of people is to be expected (because the situation is not obvious or because there certainly are 1-out-of-50-outliers* among the app reviewers).

*1 person, either your or Sandler, vs about 50 people posting in this thread
 
Can someone tell me how to get to that "send to" screen in the article? When I look at a file in Transmit, I see a "Add To iCloud Drive…" button, and then two spots on top of that a "Send to…" button which brings up a set of icons at the bottom of my screen with various apps like Google Drive. This "Send to…" button has always been there even when they supposedly removed the functionality, and I've never seen a screen like the one in the article's screenshot.
 
Wow, is anyone in charge at Apple anymore? Or are they happy just flailing about randomly these days?

What happened to a once great company?
 
manu chao said:
Sanders presented it as completely obvious that Neato should be banned. You presented it as completely obvious that Neato should not be banned. Both of you presumably would say that you are reasonable persons.

So, either these situations are not as obvious as you both seem to profess or one of you two is an outlier. Either way, an app reviewer making a decision that is considered not at all reasonable by a considerable amount of people is to be expected (because the situation is not obvious or because there certainly are 1-out-of-50-outliers* among the app reviewers).

*1 person, either your or Sandler, vs about 50 people posting in this thread
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What you wrote in your previous comment, the "self-professed experts" quip, doesn't resemble your explanation. I think the only person claiming expertise of behalf of me and Bob is you. Bob presented and opinion (which I acknowledged as such) and I presented an opposing one. Neither opinion should have been confused with a declaration of fact from an expert; self-professed or otherwise.:)

As for Apple's chances of consistency, that's all on Apple. It has nothing to do with the opinions of forum posters. The false binary you presented regarding our opinions isn't valid. I do have another opinion though. Apple could really help alleviate confusion by not approving apps, banning them for some perceived violation, and then reinstating the app with the offending functionality intact. Was it a mistake? Perhaps, most likely even. I just think they would be better served following an old construction adage: Measure twice and cut once.
 
nutjob said:
Wow, is anyone in charge at Apple anymore? Or are they happy just flailing about randomly these days?

What happened to a once great company?
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Well it's not like Apple had great relationship with developers in the SJ era. I agree with the guys on the ATP podcast. Look at the reorg back in 2012. You can definitely see the affects of that in subsequent software releases. It seems Federighi and Ive are open to things that never would have happened under Jobs. For example, according to Rene Ritchie Apple only started working on extensions a year and a half ago. But one group not impacted by the 2012 reorg was Schiller's group and Schiller owns app review. So perhaps there needs to be a culture change in that part of the organization. At a minimum though app review and app editorial need to better communicate so one group isn't featuring an app in the App Store only for the other group to reject the app a week later.
 
Soooo, what you're trying to say here Apple is that... you didn't have that policy as a means to protect us?
Then... what gave?
No comment? Nothing?

Okay, same business as usual. Wonder what you'll pull next, something nice that won't get this much publicity.

Seriously, I like that Apple is doing some QA on the App Store, but they are overusing their powers and their guidelines are crazily strict when they hinder real innovation (aka: things that are possible on anything but a mobile device bearing the fruity logo)

PS: Your QA isn't even that effective.
I've seen countless bad HTML-wrapper apps that are not just a pain to look at, but also lag, don't comply with the HIG, ......
THAT'S an area you should lay your eyes on.

Rogifan said:
Let's see you've got Craig Federighi overseeing iOS engineering, Phil Schiller developer relations and app review/approval and Eddy Cue App Store and app promotion. That mess needs to be sorted out. When Tim Cook did that reorg back in 2012 he attempted to streamline things but this is one area that still needs work. Honestly I don't get why developer relations and app reviews are part of marketing. Seems like that should be part of the software team.
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Seems like it shows what kinds of guys are working on facing the developer community now.
Marketing is skilled in pitching stuff. Like pitching a no.
Developers might be more understanding of other developers' wishes or needs.

Again: this is what it seems to me, not trying to make factual statements here.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
Simple economics

JackieInCo said:
These reversals really make Apple look like they have no idea what they are doing.
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The more you upload to icloud the bigger storage you will need and the bigger the storage the bigger the cost and eventually you can't afford to leave iCloud because you have too much information stored there.

Actually it is a very wise move.
 
I would critisize Apple, quality certainly has dropped since 10 years ago but...


after I learned they hire 98,000 employees!! I am much forgiving. Good luck managing that amount of people, with this large range of products. I think there are whole departments that Tim Cook does not even know they exist...
 
and so this should be in the app..

I can understand Apple taking stuff out and deciding their decision was competently wrong, you might even go go so far ans say, "there are several decisions we must deal with", but really ?

It's not that hard....

All Apple needs to do is think and act according....... But they don't think, otherwise the feature they took out, would have have left in originally. And this mess wouldn't have happened.

Apple knows this.. They know whats allowed and what's not...... They just being lazy because they have so many other apps to approve.....

What's better..... doing something right first time, or constantly going back over the same thing time and time again ?
 
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