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VesselA

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Something has put me off using the iPad air for the year and a half I've had it and I think its the display glass.

Its amazing how something as subtle as the sound it makes when you hit the screen affects the user experience.

If you slightly hit the display with your nail it makes a horrible hollow plastic sound and a normal finger tap also has a louder and deeper noise than a "true glass" display.

ITs amazing, this has really put me off using the device. The original couple of iPads it felt like a mobile computer screen whereas the air feels like a cheap plastic piece of trash.

So there must be something going on with the display glass, I think they made it thinner to make it lighter and are using some type of glass / plastic hybrid. Is it "gorilla glass" or something, does anyone know?

Well its just dawned on me whey I don't use the iPad much anymore and its this horrid display "glass" - I also notice it leaves smudges much more than the iPad 4 display which seems to be actual glass.

I wonder if this is a sign of poor judgment since Steven Jobs left, as someone must have tested this thing and not noticed the display made the device horrible to use.

I hear the iPad air 2 solves this issue by removing the air gap, but Im sure its the same type of plastic/glass hybrid which may mean it still smudges more. Seriously considering if the iPad 4 was the last great iPad, it seems apple have sacrificed quality for thin and light stats.

What puts me off the iPad air 2 is the LOSS of battery life compared to the air and the screen distortion and vibration. - To release a device with worse battery life than previous generation is a deal breaker to me I think.

ipad air 3 - I hope apple increase the battery life again and sort out the vibration and screen distortion issue (WHICH SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IF THEY HAD TESTED THE PRODUCT BEFORE SELLING IT) even if they have to make it 1 or 2 mm thicker, don't you think thats a better trade off?

I have a feeling apple will sneak in and extra gig of ram to the iPad air 3 in October so that iOS 9 screen sharing will work smoothly on 3 gigs and tempt Air 2 owners to upgrade from what will eventually be a laggy and stuttery performance after future versions of iOS 9 come out.
 
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xaqt93

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Something has put me off using the iPad air for the year and a half I've had it and I think its the display glass.

Its amazing how something as subtle as the sound it makes when you hit the screen affects the user experience.

If you slightly hit the display with your nail it makes a horrible hollow plastic sound and a normal finger tap also has a louder and deeper noise than a "true glass" display.

ITs amazing, this has really put me off using the device. The original couple of iPads it felt like a mobile computer screen whereas the air feels like a cheap plastic piece of trash.

So there must be something going on with the display glass, I think they made it thinner to make it lighter and are using some type of glass / plastic hybrid. Is it "gorilla glass" or something, does anyone know?

Well its just dawned on me whey I don't use the iPad much anymore and its this horrid display "glass" - I also notice it leaves smudges much more than the iPad 4 display which seems to be actual glass.

I wonder if this is a sign of poor judgment since Steven Jobs left, as someone must have tested this thing and not noticed the display made the device horrible to use.

I hear the iPad air 2 solves this issue by removing the air gap, but Im sure its the same type of plastic/glass hybrid which may mean it still smudges more. Seriously considering if the iPad 4 was the last great iPad, it seems apple have sacrificed quality for thin and light stats.

What puts me off the iPad air 2 is the LOSS of battery life compared to the air and the screen distortion and vibration. - To release a device with worse battery life than previous generation is a deal breaker to me I think.

ipad air 3 - I hope apple increase the battery life again and sort out the vibration and screen distortion issue (WHICH SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IF THEY HAD TESTED THE PRODUCT BEFORE SELLING IT) even if they have to make it 1 or 2 mm thicker, don't you think thats a better trade off?

I have a feeling apple will sneak in and extra gig of ram to the iPad air 3 in October so that iOS 9 screen sharing will work smoothly on 3 gigs and tempt Air 2 owners to upgrade from what will eventually be a laggy and stuttery performance after future versions of iOS 9 come out.

I feel like you are very ignorant. I can honestly tell you that my iPad Air 2 runs great on iOS 9 beta. No lagging what so ever. In fact, I am currently using two apps at once with no loss of performance. Now, as for the glass, that is all in your head my friend. My iPad definitely feels like real glass. And I have also upgraded to the iPad Air 2 from the iPad Air and I actually haven't seen any difference in battery life what so ever.
 

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I have a feeling apple will sneak in and extra gig of ram to the iPad air 3 in October

i dont think so.

the battery life in air2 is similar to air1.

the plastic feel/sound is true however, but i dont know.. i think i have felt the same for all ipads. they all sounds similar when hitting the screen by a nail.. :D
 
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iKnowMr.Jobs

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I feel like you are very ignorant. I can honestly tell you that my iPad Air 2 runs great on iOS 9 beta. No lagging what so ever. In fact, I am currently using two apps at once with no loss of performance. Now, as for the glass, that is all in your head my friend. My iPad definitely feels like real glass. And I have also upgraded to the iPad Air 2 from the iPad Air and I actually haven't seen any difference in battery life what so ever.

I upgrade from an Air 1 as well. For what I paid after I sold my Air 1 (in the ball park of $200), it was worth it. The lament display really does make all of the difference in feel. At first, I did see a small dip in battery life on the Air 2 from the Air 1 in one of the earlier versions of iOS 8 but that's been long resolved. If anything, my Air 2 lasts longer on a charge than I ever remember my Air 1 lasting.
 

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There's no sound when I tap on my iPad Air 2 and I have long nails. If finger prints bother you, get the gold or silver version.

You sound like you got OCD to me.
 

xaqt93

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I upgrade from an Air 1 as well. For what I paid after I sold my Air 1 (in the ball park of $200), it was worth it. The lament display really does make all of the difference in feel. At first, I did see a small dip in battery life on the Air 2 from the Air 1 in one of the earlier versions of iOS 8 but that's been long resolved. If anything, my Air 2 lasts longer on a charge than I ever remember my Air 1 lasting.
Very much agreed. Plus, running iOS 9 beta 4, watching a video while running two apps at once is more than amazing. I give Apple major props for this on the iPad
 
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Something has put me off using the iPad air for the year and a half I've had it and I think its the display glass.

Its amazing how something as subtle as the sound it makes when you hit the screen affects the user experience.

If you slightly hit the display with your nail it makes a horrible hollow plastic sound and a normal finger tap also has a louder and deeper noise than a "true glass" display.

ITs amazing, this has really put me off using the device. The original couple of iPads it felt like a mobile computer screen whereas the air feels like a cheap plastic piece of trash.

So there must be something going on with the display glass, I think they made it thinner to make it lighter and are using some type of glass / plastic hybrid. Is it "gorilla glass" or something, does anyone know?

Well its just dawned on me whey I don't use the iPad much anymore and its this horrid display "glass" - I also notice it leaves smudges much more than the iPad 4 display which seems to be actual glass.

I wonder if this is a sign of poor judgment since Steven Jobs left, as someone must have tested this thing and not noticed the display made the device horrible to use.

I hear the iPad air 2 solves this issue by removing the air gap, but Im sure its the same type of plastic/glass hybrid which may mean it still smudges more. Seriously considering if the iPad 4 was the last great iPad, it seems apple have sacrificed quality for thin and light stats.

What puts me off the iPad air 2 is the LOSS of battery life compared to the air and the screen distortion and vibration. - To release a device with worse battery life than previous generation is a deal breaker to me I think.

ipad air 3 - I hope apple increase the battery life again and sort out the vibration and screen distortion issue (WHICH SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IF THEY HAD TESTED THE PRODUCT BEFORE SELLING IT) even if they have to make it 1 or 2 mm thicker, don't you think thats a better trade off?

I have a feeling apple will sneak in and extra gig of ram to the iPad air 3 in October so that iOS 9 screen sharing will work smoothly on 3 gigs and tempt Air 2 owners to upgrade from what will eventually be a laggy and stuttery performance after future versions of iOS 9 come out.
On the contrary, if I didn't know better, I'd say they tested it and purposely went ahead with that design. From a business/accounting perspective, providing too much value and quality may win over more customers, or win them over better, but that doesn't always translates into more profits.
 

bhayes444

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It doesn't sound the same as an older device likely because the glass on the screen is thinner. It sounds like glass to me when I tap on my iPad with a nail, but not like a glass I drink out of. If you don't like these aesthetics that Apple has put on the iPad Air, that's fine, but they really are minor quibbles. I've noticed my Air 2's screen smudging a bit more than my mini 2 did, but a quick wipe down more than solves that issue. For me the Air 2 feels more fragile because of it's lightness, but the materials it is made out of counter that thought in my mind and tell me that the device is quite durable; then again the roughest thing I do with my tablets is tossing them on a bed or couch...
 

nia820

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I've noticed my Air 2's screen smudging a bit more than my mini 2 did, but a quick wipe down more than solves that issue.

The finger prints is an issue with iPad Air 2. I've notice how easily it gets smudge as well. I think it's the anti glare coating they added. I have a space grey version and I'm seriously considering selling it and getting a silver or gold version just so the fingerprints can be less obvious.
 

bhayes444

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The finger prints is an issue with iPad Air 2. I've notice how easily it gets smudge as well. I think it's the anti glare coating they added. I have a space grey version and I'm seriously considering selling it and getting a silver or gold version just so the fingerprints can be less obvious.
Yeah, it's got to be that coating. I just picked up the Space Gray and the white faced iPads would have less noticeable fingerprint smudges, but I like the look of the black better; even with the smudges.
 

VesselA

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It's glass, and your issues are all in your mind.
Greatly prefer my air 2 to my old iPad 3.

the issue of plastic cheap feeling display is not my imagination at all, it is an objective reality on the Air 1 - it seems you didn't read the post well enough to realise I was not talking about the Air 2. Many people have noticed how crap and cheap and hollow the Air one display sounds when you press on it.

I feel like you are very ignorant. I can honestly tell you that my iPad Air 2 runs great on iOS 9 beta. No lagging what so ever. In fact, I am currently using two apps at once with no loss of performance. Now, as for the glass, that is all in your head my friend. My iPad definitely feels like real glass. And I have also upgraded to the iPad Air 2 from the iPad Air and I actually haven't seen any difference in battery life what so ever.

Another ignorant poster - the glass issue is on the Air 1, which is what my post was about if you had read the TS carefully.

I feel like you are very ignorant. I can honestly tell you that my iPad Air 2 runs great on iOS 9 beta. No lagging what so ever. In fact, I am currently using two apps at once with no loss of performance. Now, as for the glass, that is all in your head my friend. My iPad definitely feels like real glass. And I have also upgraded to the iPad Air 2 from the iPad Air and I actually haven't seen any difference in battery life what so ever.

objective tests have been done showing the Air 2 has reduced battery life compared to the Air 1. Regarding the RAM< yes it works smoothly now - but when IOS9 gets more refinement and has a few other iterations you will end up finding it lagging and being nudged into upgrading.

I'd hate to be a "you're holding it wrong" kind of guy, but in this particular case... why not just cut your nails? Unless you're a woman with long nails, then yeah, I knew someone with an iPhone who'd make that tapping sound all the time.

because its noticeable even when you tap with a finger - you only occasionally hit a part of your nail on the display, but with the Air 1 display it becomes very noticeably plastic sounding. This issue doesn't exist with any iPad up to the air - the iPad 4 had a very solid glass feel and sound which makes all the difference. Even the Air two looks like it has a different sound and feel and apparently has smudging issues which affects how smoothly your finger or stylus glides across screen for drawing and general usage. Steve would have noticed all these things

There's no sound when I tap on my iPad Air 2 and I have long nails. If finger prints bother you, get the gold or silver version.

You sound like you got OCD to me.
my post was about the Air 1 please read more carefully

The Air 2 has been my very favorite iPad so far. Will be hard to improve on it but I know Apple will!

The OP needs to move on to the Samsung so he can complain about them.

if you had read the post carefully by the TS (thread starter) you would have known I was commenting about the original iPad Air, not the air 2. As for samsung, my note 12.2 has the solid glass feeling like the iPads did before the crap cheap plastic feel of the Air.

Some claim the Air 2 solves the crap cheap display feel of the Air 1, but I'm also hearing it smudges way easier than true glass, I noticed this smudging issue with the Air 1 also, which really affects how smoothly your finger or stylus glides across the display.

Most of the masses probably won't notice these things, fore which I'm sure apple are glad, but people who are more aware like steve jobs would have noticed and not allowed these issues to go out to public I'm sure.

The display on a touch screen is your sole interface and if it feels plastic, cheap and smudges easily that is a huge design/ engineering error.

If you try and iPad 4, tap it glide a finger or stylus over it compared to the air most people would notice the difference side by side

On the contrary, if I didn't know better, I'd say they tested it and purposely went ahead with that design. From a business/accounting perspective, providing too much value and quality may win over more customers, or win them over better, but that doesn't always translates into more profits.

I don't think Steve would have allowed the crappy plastic sounding display to be made public on the Air 1 - and I doubt he would have allowed the smudging issue on the Air one and Air 2 to go into mass production - user end experience was supposedly very important to him.

It doesn't sound the same as an older device likely because the glass on the screen is thinner. It sounds like glass to me when I tap on my iPad with a nail, but not like a glass I drink out of. If you don't like these aesthetics that Apple has put on the iPad Air, that's fine, but they really are minor quibbles. I've noticed my Air 2's screen smudging a bit more than my mini 2 did, but a quick wipe down more than solves that issue. For me the Air 2 feels more fragile because of it's lightness, but the materials it is made out of counter that thought in my mind and tell me that the device is quite durable; then again the roughest thing I do with my tablets is tossing them on a bed or couch...

If you compare a medium tap, loud tap, finger glide and stylus glide on an IPAD 4 - to the iPad Air you would notice a huge difference, - you have probably forgotten the feel, sound and texture of the iPad 4 and before displays, there really is a huge difference.

ipad 1 - 4 felt like real glass and solid, so when you tapped even firmly there was little noticeable sound and the sound was quite higher in frequency. sliding was also smoother on genuine glass and hardly any smudging would accumulate.

Im thinking the iPad Air 1 and 2 have some type of plastic / glass hybrid like gorilla glass and it really ruins the natural fluidity of motion with the screen smudging

The finger prints is an issue with iPad Air 2. I've notice how easily it gets smudge as well. I think it's the anti glare coating they added. I have a space grey version and I'm seriously considering selling it and getting a silver or gold version just so the fingerprints can be less obvious.

that is honest and observant of you - so smudging is an issue on the Air 2 also? - I noticed this big time on my Air 1 - along with the crap cheap plastic sound of the display it picked up smudges WAY more than the iPad 4 I had, which really affects the smoothness of a finger or stylus glide. Im not sure if its the anti glare coating, it could be, or some type of hybrid plastic they are using on the glass
 
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You know, if you ask a question, and then proceed to rebut anyone who posts with a different opinion, telling them they're wrong, and haven't read the original post properly... you're not going to have much company on this thread of yours. Yes, you posted about the Air. Others were discussing the differences with the Air 2 as well. Threads wander a bit, that's to be expected.

I have an iPad Air and love the way the screen feels, FWIW.
 

VesselA

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You know, if you ask a question, and then proceed to rebut anyone who posts with a different opinion, telling them they're wrong, and haven't read the original post properly... you're not going to have much company on this thread of yours. Yes, you posted about the Air. Others were discussing the differences with the Air 2 as well. Threads wander a bit, that's to be expected.

I have an iPad Air and love the way the screen feels, FWIW.

you misrepresented what occurred - I posted an observation about the Air - then some pompous and rude comments were made against me as if I was talking about the Air 2 - people need to read more carefully before getting offended and being rude

You know, if you ask a question, and then proceed to rebut anyone who posts with a different opinion, telling them they're wrong, and haven't read the original post properly... you're not going to have much company on this thread of yours. Yes, you posted about the Air. Others were discussing the differences with the Air 2 as well. Threads wander a bit, that's to be expected.

I have an iPad Air and love the way the screen feels, FWIW.

the comments were not wandering onto the air 2- several people made insulting comments with the false claim I was criticising the Air 2, whereas if they had read the whole post it was obvious I was talking about the Air 1. However it seems the Air 2 display has a smudging issue also, which makes it poor also imv
 
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the comments were not wandering onto the air 2- several people made insulting comments with the false claim I was criticising the Air 2, whereas if they had read the whole post it was obvious I was talking about the Air 1. However it seems the Air 2 display has a smudging issue also, which makes it poor also imv
There is a report post button if you require a mod/Admin to cast an eye
 

xaqt93

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objective tests have been done showing the Air 2 has reduced battery life compared to the Air 1. Regarding the RAM< yes it works smoothly now - but when IOS9 gets more refinement and has a few other iterations you will end up finding it lagging and being nudged into upgrading.

I'm perfectly aware that your post was about the Air 1. All I'm saying is most of what you are saying is in your head. I don't have lag at all. I'm running a beta, and that means that it is only going to get better...not worse. And as for Apple nudging me to upgrade, it won't happen because I'm not going to upgrade just because of a little lag that barley even exist. The last lag I had on an iPad was my iPad 2. And it wasn't even noticeable unless you had a bunch of apps open. Also, if Apple is so bad and nudges you to upgrade every year (which is what you are saying if you think iOS 9 will nudge me to upgrade before iOS 10 even comes to developers) then why are you even buying the company's products? I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't mind you buying a Surface, and I'm sure Apple won't miss you either.
 

VesselA

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I'm perfectly aware that your post was about the Air 1. All I'm saying is most of what you are saying is in your head. I don't have lag at all. I'm running a beta, and that means that it is only going to get better...not worse. And as for Apple nudging me to upgrade, it won't happen because I'm not going to upgrade just because of a little lag that barley even exist. The last lag I had on an iPad was my iPad 2. And it wasn't even noticeable unless you had a bunch of apps open. Also, if Apple is so bad and nudges you to upgrade every year (which is what you are saying if you think iOS 9 will nudge me to upgrade before iOS 10 even comes to developers) then why are you even buying the company's products? I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't mind you buying a Surface, and I'm sure Apple won't miss you either.

The post was primarily about the iPad Air's display and how it is objectively crap and cheap feeling, this is something many have noticed and I would never buy another product with such a poor display as this. I'm sure if Steve Jobs reviewed the unit he would also say it was substandard and shameful, even if some can't tell the difference

I'm perfectly aware that your post was about the Air 1. All I'm saying is most of what you are saying is in your head. I don't have lag at all. I'm running a beta, and that means that it is only going to get better...not worse. And as for Apple nudging me to upgrade, it won't happen because I'm not going to upgrade just because of a little lag that barley even exist. The last lag I had on an iPad was my iPad 2. And it wasn't even noticeable unless you had a bunch of apps open. Also, if Apple is so bad and nudges you to upgrade every year (which is what you are saying if you think iOS 9 will nudge me to upgrade before iOS 10 even comes to developers) then why are you even buying the company's products? I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't mind you buying a Surface, and I'm sure Apple won't miss you either.

Yeah - holding off also to see the specs of the surface pro 4 and also not going to buy an iPad Air 2 as I hear it has the same issue with the Air 1 with terrible smudging that the iPad 4 and prior never had. If they release an Air 3 which doesn't smudge as much, and the issue with vibration and screen distortion is sorted, they may almost have a sale here
 
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VesselA

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Using words like "objectively" repeatedly doesn't convert opinions and anecdotes into facts.

when multiple independent reviewers notice the plasticky hollow poor quality of the display, and many have, that is fairly objective
 

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when multiple independent reviewers notice the plasticky hollow poor quality of the display, and many have, that is fairly objective

So, mass hysteria produces facts? That's actually quite ironic, in light of your avatar ("Truth over > Culture").
 
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