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Apple Rumored to Launch MacBook Pro With M5 Chip Before M5 Pro and M5 Max Models

tenthousandthings said:
I think the point is that Apple may have learned something when they launched M4 in the iPad Pro without also launching it in the base M4 MacBook Pro. They want Snapdragon X2 Elite laptop comparisons to be made to the MacBook Pro with its active cooling system, not the passive iPad Pro.
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Yeah, that's a good point.

And more broadly, they may want the first benchmarks of the M5 chip to look better than they would if they were only measured based on the iPad Pro, in order to generate excitedment for the remaining M5 Macs.

Specifically, while the the GB SC score for the base 10-core M4 MBP was only about 1% higher than that for the 10-core iPad Pro (3739/3692), the MC score was 7% higher (14723/13751). [Source: Pimate's website.] And that's obviously due to the difference in thermals.
 
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So the whole "everyone copies Apple" can be finally thrown out the window for good when a simple Google search for "laptops with OLED" shows even a Dell has an OLED screen? No offense to Dell owners (I'm writing this on a HP laptop, though my go-to is my 2025 MBA). In conclusion: Unless your MacBook is near-antique, I see a big reason to wait for Apple to finally pinning down a date that will announce a definite debut.
 
hajime said:
Is 1 fan sufficient to cool the M4 in a 14" case? I hope it can handle the M5.
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I would think so. When doing regular stuff, I don’t hear a peep out of the fans in my 14” M4 Pro MBP.

Only when I ramp it up (doing LLM stuff) does it get really got and both fans need to do some work.

One-fan or no-fan MacBooks will just thermal throttle instead, I’d imagine. It shouldn’t worry most people.
 
JSRinUK said:
I would think so. When doing regular stuff, I don’t hear a peep out of the fans in my 14” M4 Pro MBP.

Only when I ramp it up (doing LLM stuff) does it get really got and both fans need to do some work.

One-fan or no-fan MacBooks will just thermal throttle instead, I’d imagine. It shouldn’t worry most people.
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Same experience. Apart from LLMs and DiffusionBee I never managed to trigger the fan at all. And those two things either aren’t throttled or I don’t notice any difference at the beginning vs after a while.
 
JSRinUK said:
I would think so. When doing regular stuff, I don’t hear a peep out of the fans in my 14” M4 Pro MBP.

Only when I ramp it up (doing LLM stuff) does it get really got and both fans need to do some work.

One-fan or no-fan MacBooks will just thermal throttle instead, I’d imagine. It shouldn’t worry most people.
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The plan Mn chips are substantially smaller than the Mn Pro chips. There is not as much stuff to generation as much heat. The Max chip is way more than twice as big as plain M ( ~150mm^2 versus > ~500mm^2 ). If two fans cover twice as big then one fan has extremely good chance of covering something less than half as small. ( given all in approximately same clock range and on same fab process ).

One fan for a plain Mn isn't going to thermal throttle as long as the single fan is approximately the same size as those used in the two fan set up. It is the SAME 14" encloure. There is nothing at all forcing the one fan set up to use a much smaller fan. ( In fact, probably can use an incrementally bigger fan because the logic board is going to be smaller. (again the Pro and Max packages are substantially larger. )

it is only zero fans that can run into an issue.
 
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