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Using your own hyperbole:

To be fair, our president is only blocking apps from countries that cultivate malware, not all brown apps. Else why are Saudi Arabians and folks from other Muslim countries still allowed in?

Once a better app approval process is implemented, then all apps will be allowed back in the country. The ban will be be lifted in four months.

So it's really not such an unsound executive order when you break it down. :)
Can you please explain how an app can be a terrorist?
Also, the Saudi Arabian apps should be blocked IMO, they're the bad guys not Iran, Iraq or Syria! Look at facts. However, I know POTUS want to block them too but he can't at least for now as he's doing business there.
 
Can you please explain how an app can be a terrorist?
Also, the Saudi Arabian apps should be blocked IMO, they're the bad guys not Iran, Iraq or Syria! Look at facts. However, I know POTUS want to block them too but he can't at least for now as he's doing business there.
The poster that I was replying to was referring to Muslims as brown apps and I was just using the same hyperbole. I don't actually think that apps are terrorists or vice versa. Ha! :)

As for the actual hard data that went into determining the countries on the banned list, I honestly don't know and won't act like I do. But I'd imagine there's some thought behind it for sure.
 
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The poster that I was replying to was referring to Muslims as brown apps and I was just using the same hyperbole. I don't actually think that apps are terrorists or vice versa. Ha! :)

As for the actual hard data that went into determining the countries on the banned list, I honestly don't know and won't act like I do. But I'd imagine there's some thought behind it for sure.
Fair enough.

I'm not sure about that though.
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This has been removed from the front page I see. Too controversial for Macrumors?

Just today in Australia there are articles about two dual Australian-Iranian nationals. One a 12-year-old who was born in Australia but is not allowed to go on his school's field trip to the US and one a young woman living and working in the US who can't leave because she won't be readmitted and she thinks likely won't be reemployed by her employer. She even says she's not religious and I believe her because she wasn't wearing a head-scarf.

Even if you support the latter the former is just stupid...to turn away child tourists on a school trip!

So these are the deportations Trump promised except its not Mexican illegal immigrants who's getting targeted or even illegal immigrants at all but people from certain countries that have done nothing wrong, applied and were granted the correct visas and have been perfectly law-abiding productive citizens.

Seems to me Trump is just going after easy targets because he knows he can't deliver on his promise to send back all the undocumented Mexican immigrants.

Strange times!
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Fair enough.

I'm not sure about that though.
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Wow, those Saudis seem like a murderous bunch! When you're rich I guess you think you can get away with...well...murder!

For all the talk of Trump breaking the system I think all he's going to end up doing is preying on and blaming the unfortunate while not actually changing the culture in Washington or making America great. Washington's corruption is probably a cesspool that goes too deep. It's hard to even peer in and not be consumed by it I imagine.
 
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Fair enough.

I'm not sure about that though.
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Very interesting stats. Unfortunately those numbers don't quite dig into the heart of the issue Trump is supposedly helping solve. He's trying to block entry from countries from which there is a high occupation of ISIS members, and thus high-risk to our citizens.

I actually tried to find a heat map that shows ISIS occupation by country and couldn't find one that is either 1) Easy to read or 2) Up to date (the ones I found on Google were all late 2015 :confused:).

Something that I haven't seen many folks mention is the fact that the ban is a temporary freeze on visitors from those countries. It's nothing permanent. President Trump wants to use that time to create a better vetting process (nothing bad about a better vetting process, right?). Unfortunately his ban did originally cover green-card holders too, which I disagree with. Thankfully the green card holders are no longer under that ban.

Interesting fact: Obama put a six month freeze on visa applicants from the middle east a few years ago.
 
As others have pointed out here, it always amuses me how people suddenly hate the electoral college when their candidate loses. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Exactly. It isn't about the process because the process always gets blamed when the progressive / socialist / leftist choice looses.

Brexit & Trump are proof of this hypocrisy - the amount of criticism towards the UK national popular vote deciding brexit was astounding. And now Trump winning the presidency without the US national popular vote is causing leftist heads to explode. The only thing leftist policy is good for is making the political class rich. The Clintons $100 million net worth being the perfect example of this.

Hopefully we're seeing the last dying gasps of the failed leftist ideology. It's been so fun to watch. I'm popping popcorn (and stocking up on ammo).
[doublepost=1485834628][/doublepost]Also keep in mind, the Iranian nuclear deal was just about money:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ing-25-billion-worth-of-planes-to-tehran.html

The amount of cash flowing into political coffers from this deal will be huge.
 
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Maybe you're just trolling but I'm so tired of seeing this nonsensical description of the voting process of our Republic. Working as intended by our Founders, by the way, despite massive attempts to interfere with that process with such things as the 17th amendment for instance.

It isn't that the rural areas are more important, it's that no area is more important. Check a county by county election result map if you're interested in an example of the need for such a system. If you're being reasonable and open to discussion you'll begin to understand the wisdom of our republican form of government as established by our early political figures. To prevent the drowning out of less populated areas of our nation by those with huge urban centers. Hence the two houses of Congress. One for the people, one for the states, the Senate, where all states are EQUAL. The 17th has done much to damage that balance and a return to the original intent would go a long way to reestablishing order.

Our Founders, Jefferson in particular, were extremely wary of large urban centers and the havoc they eventually wreck on governments and the citizens of a nation through corruption. They were coming from Europe where such evil was visited daily on its citizenry by pompous, arrogant, aristocracy and monarchies. Disdainful of those they deemed unenlightened and beneath them. You know the type, right? Cheeto loving peasants.
Yeah it's not 1776 anymore, and there's never been a more dangerous argument than "we've always done it this way"
 
Yeah it's not 1776 anymore, and there's never been a more dangerous argument than "we've always done it this way"
Things have not changed all that much. People are still stupid and self centered and given a choice between being self sufficient or have the government take care of everything, people lean toward government assistance because it's easier. The founding fathers understood this basic human flaw and tried their best to avoid it. The electoral college is just as important today as it ever was. It keeps our republic from slipping back to where it shouldn't be.
 
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