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Apple Sales and Marketshare Up (IDC)
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Photorun said:
It fluctuates, and is hard to calculate, but this estimate places Linux desktop share at 2.8% and server share at 28.3%. I would guess Linux could move into 38-40% of the serverspace in the next decade, and maybe 2.9% desktop share, if the scruffies among us start reproducing.
Ok, can't let this one go...
First of all, Apple was NEVER on the verge of bankruptcy. Show me the financial sheet that EVER had Apple in debt for more than 1% of total earnings or was ever anywhere near 'dead'. Apple didn't pull its head out of its ass and rehire SPJ, they fired a ******* and BOUGHT (with cash, which isn't bad for a company that you say was on the verge of bankruptcy) a better operating system than the one they were developing internally. That operating system just happened to be owned by Steve Jobs' company NeXT, and was (apparently) for sale.
I wish people would pull their collective heads out of their asses and get their FACTS straight before they post on an Internet forum. Apple has NEVER been in financial trouble as a company. They had a moron at the helm that made BAD product decisions and they got rid of him well before they went anywhere near the edge. Sheep that read trade journals tell it differently, while investors and insiders know better. Apple has been in a turtle and a hare race for some time, and their turtle just might reclaim the top spot it lost in the 1980s.
Let's let history judge what happens. My money is on the turtle.
execproducer said:
First of all, Apple was NEVER on the verge of bankruptcy. Show me the financial sheet that EVER had Apple in debt for more than 1% of total earnings or was ever anywhere near 'dead'. Apple didn't pull its head out of its ass and rehire SPJ, they fired a ******* and BOUGHT (with cash, which isn't bad for a company that you say was on the verge of bankruptcy) a better operating system than the one they were developing internally. That operating system just happened to be owned by Steve Jobs' company NeXT, and was (apparently) for sale.
I wish people would pull their collective heads out of their asses and get their FACTS straight before they post on an Internet forum. Apple has NEVER been in financial trouble as a company. They had a moron at the helm that made BAD product decisions and they got rid of him well before they went anywhere near the edge. Sheep that read trade journals tell it differently, while investors and insiders know better. Apple has been in a turtle and a hare race for some time, and their turtle just might reclaim the top spot it lost in the 1980s.
Let's let history judge what happens. My money is on the turtle.
mcarnes said:But still only 4.3%
Do you know what this means? It means 95.7% of computer users in the world are idiots. So sad.
But what about Linux and others a part of the UNIX family tree? I wouldn't call them idiots, that title belongs to only one type of computer user...
Stock vs flow
Arrgggghhh the machinations of statistics...
Apple's share of Q3 box shipments was up 30% to 4.3%. A good result. THis is a flow. It has an impact on current revenue and earnings and was borne out in Apple's Q4 numbers last week.
Apple's installed base is much larger becuase of the high share of the flow it had in the past... this is a stock and doesn't contribute that much to current revenue and earnings.
The important number is the flow as this is the place where purchase decisions are made. it may be the halo effect but it could be other factors... such as Job's getting on the front cover of Time again!! Some analyst must be able to work out the halo effect alogrithm somehow...
My gut feel is the halo 'conversion ratio' would be around 10:1 at a v v v rough guess - that's 10 Ipod buyers = 1 Mac buyer, but it could possibly be lower than that, say 15:1 or even 20:1....
Arrgggghhh the machinations of statistics...
Apple's share of Q3 box shipments was up 30% to 4.3%. A good result. THis is a flow. It has an impact on current revenue and earnings and was borne out in Apple's Q4 numbers last week.
Apple's installed base is much larger becuase of the high share of the flow it had in the past... this is a stock and doesn't contribute that much to current revenue and earnings.
The important number is the flow as this is the place where purchase decisions are made. it may be the halo effect but it could be other factors... such as Job's getting on the front cover of Time again!! Some analyst must be able to work out the halo effect alogrithm somehow...
My gut feel is the halo 'conversion ratio' would be around 10:1 at a v v v rough guess - that's 10 Ipod buyers = 1 Mac buyer, but it could possibly be lower than that, say 15:1 or even 20:1....
Finally, what an incredible lag time between the iPod being released and it influencing peoples choice of computer.
I suppose most switchers waited until the current PCs needed replacing before they moved onto Apple.
Good job. Apple now has Momentum. The move to Intel should bring more good things, and hopefully a lot more selection when it comes to software.
I suppose most switchers waited until the current PCs needed replacing before they moved onto Apple.
Good job. Apple now has Momentum. The move to Intel should bring more good things, and hopefully a lot more selection when it comes to software.
Calm down! Apple wasn't bancrupt, but things looked very bad back then. And indeed the revenues went down the drain in correlation with having no good products.dagger01 said:
When SJ came back the company was close to become insignificant and die a slow an painful death. The iMac stunt he was pulling helped for a a few quarters but still didn't change a lot, the marketshare was still going down again.
That the iPod worked out so well was not only brilliant marketing, there was also a good portion of luck. Almost nobody believed it would take off, especially not like we know it today. Without the iPod Apple would be history today. That is a fact! Read the numbers of the last 3 years. Also 4 billion $ of cash are gone after a while when you make losses. The only reason why the market share of the Mac is up to 4.3% is the Halo effect of the iPod, not because people in general think that the Mac is so cool, especially when you take into account the premium prices that Apple is charging for their products...
And let's face it... 4.3% is still almost insignificant for the industry as a whole. Still long way to go. It starts to become interesting when Apple is at >10%. Before it is just a toy for people who want to be different...
So maybe YOU should pull your head out of SJ's ass and realize that Apple could have failed and that it didn't was also due to a big portion of luck. But of course... you always knew Apple would make it! WOW!
BTW... it is always history that judges. Every boom is over one day. We will see if the Mac will die with the iPod then or if it can survive as an independent platform. Also you don't know the outcome...
groovebuster
besides only a small increase, how does someone vote this negative??
i'm still waiting for the thread that has zero negatives....
i'm still waiting for the thread that has zero negatives....
3.3 to 4.3 is a 30% increase. Not bad.
Of course, if you don't count Windows machines that control elevators (steady, now!)--and other uses where no person actually USES the machine--Apple has a much larger share.
And even if half the computers in the world (installed base) were Macs, Apple would have LESS than half market share, because Macs last longer.
Of course, if you don't count Windows machines that control elevators (steady, now!)--and other uses where no person actually USES the machine--Apple has a much larger share.
And even if half the computers in the world (installed base) were Macs, Apple would have LESS than half market share, because Macs last longer.
picklescott said:
Exactly, it's already bad enough.. I hardly go through the forums here, I find myself having to sift through 50+ posts on any given topic that say "Oh cool, way to go apple!" or "No powerbooks!!??" or mindless dribble (like I am doing here) before I find any posts with any kind of actual insight to the actual topic.
It would be nice to have some sort of peer moderation like slashdot, just so that when there are topics of 300+ posts, I can quickly find something worth reading instead of going through three pages of crap then finally closing the browser out of frustration due to not finding anything 'juicy' and have to actually "get some work done" (imagine that).
Apple is doing it! Slowly, yes, but they are still heading in the right direction!
If Apple is going up, then Microsoft's Mearketshare has to be going down, right? Let's just hope things continue in this direction.
If Apple is going up, then Microsoft's Mearketshare has to be going down, right? Let's just hope things continue in this direction.
Hmmm... when you have a marketshare of 90% and you are losing 1% doesn't give you sleepless nights, especially when the market as a whole is still growing. Linux is a way bigger threat to M$ at the moment than Apple, especially outside of the US. Many countries and provincial governments are thinking about switching to Linux because they don't want to throw all the money all the time into the direction of a monopolist... Apple wouldn't be an alternative, because they would be dependant again on one (american) company. Even worse they would have to purchase the Soft-AND the Hardware from the same people.EricNau said:Apple is doing it! Slowly, yes, but they are still heading in the right direction!
If Apple is going up, then Microsoft's Mearketshare has to be going down, right? Let's just hope things continue in this direction.
groovebuster
wrong numbers?
I'm not sure that these numbers are even correct.
Doesn't anyone remember that the end of last quarter saw Apple's share go from 3.7% to 4.5%?
So what happened? It seems as though it should be at 5% or above.
I'm not sure that these numbers are even correct.
Doesn't anyone remember that the end of last quarter saw Apple's share go from 3.7% to 4.5%?
So what happened? It seems as though it should be at 5% or above.
Last time they were talking about market share in the US... this time they were talking about world-wide market share.melgross said:
groovebuster
groovebuster said:
No, this is US marketshare. They said that worldwide share went up to 2.3% which is just as incorrect.
EDIT: added link.
http://news.com.com/PC+shipments+leap+past+expectations/2100-1003_3-5897839.html
groovebuster said:So what is correct then?
If last quarters numbers were correct, and they went up 30% from 4.5%, then they should be 5.85%
So something is very wrong somewhere.
I wish that it was as easy to find something specific on the net as they say it is. But I'll try to find the old numbers.
jgrackmalloy said:
It's very difficult to determine Linux'es market-share on the dekstop. Some people think that Linux has surpassed Mac, while others believe that Linux has around 2%. Things get twisted because many people buy a name-brand Windows-computer, and replace the OS with Linux. Yet those sales are counted towards Windows's market-share, even though the computer never really ran Windows.
then we have the downloads. Some people download a Linux-distro, but never install it. Then there are those who make copies of that download and give it to several people. I know of cases where a Linux-distro was downloaded once, and installed on about 1000 computers.
End result is something that no-one can really figure out. There are estimates, but hard facts are missing. usually people think that Linux has around 1 - 6% market-share right now. And it may or may not be more than Macs market-share.
I don't really care who "wins", Linux or Mac. Last time I checked, the two weren't even competing. If Linux does well, Apple benefits. If Macs do well, Linux benefits. And if either of them does well, we all benefit, because it means that there are less clueless virus-magnets and spambots on the Internet. Linux and Apple can co-exists a lot better than Linux and Microsoft, or Apple and Microsoft could. I use both, although I do have W2K buried deep inside my Tower-PC for those occasional Windows-only apps (read: games).
The numbers you are referring to are 2 years old... Would be interesting to see some more actual numbers...jgrackmalloy said:
I know a lot of people who run both (Windows & Linux) on the PCs. These computers still count as Windows machines. So what does the market share really mean? You can't really determine how many people are using Linux because there are no licenses being sold. So it will be always in favor of M$ and even Apple... yes, I know some fellows who installed Linux on the iBooks/PowerBooks and deleted Mac OS X...
groovebuster
Great minds think alike...Evangelion said:
Not entirely true. The market itself is growing too (16% 2Q04 -> 2Q05). But it is hard to find real numbers these days...melgross said:
groovebuster
Ok, amazing! I actually found something I was looking for!
This is for the 2nd quarter.
http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/44995.html
So what were they measuring 2nd quarter?
No no no. Apple's marketshare went up 30%. Apple's sales went up 44%.
EDIT add:
Now I read that the 3.3% was the last quarter a year ago. That still makes no sense of the new numbers with the quarter before saying 4.5%
This is for the 2nd quarter.
http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/44995.html
So what were they measuring 2nd quarter?
groovebuster said:
No no no. Apple's marketshare went up 30%. Apple's sales went up 44%.
EDIT add:
Now I read that the 3.3% was the last quarter a year ago. That still makes no sense of the new numbers with the quarter before saying 4.5%