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Agree with what you've said (you're amongst the saner, more reasonable, posters here), though keep in mind that "spent 2 years working with the fraudster" could evaluate out to "sent 3 or 4 emails to the shady sister, over the course of 2 years, and she deleted them without a second thought." "Two years working with" sounds like some lengthy series of ongoing negotiations, which may not be the case. At this point we just don't know.
Agreed, especially given the possible language differences. My point was just that Apple didn't make their decision lightly-- they gave it time, made an effort, gathered evidence. Then they pulled the plug, but still listened to feedback.

There's a lot of stories that could be created from the scant details we have, but I have a hard time creating one that says Apple was too heavy handed. Could they have tried to hit all the email addresses connected to that credit card from the beginning? Sure, maybe. But hindsight always makes those missed opportunities more clear.

BIGBY, he's mad at the wrong entity. He really should be going after whoever used his credit card to fund their comment fraud, and trying to get their cooperation in restoring his credibility.
 
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The mere act of posting the recording (not to mention making it, unless he got permission earlier in the call) undermines my confidence and trust in him about 98%.

I can't speak for whatever jurisdiction the developer lives in, but where I live this is illegal unless all parties consent.
 
I think there should always be a way to dispute an issue with Apple.

There is. It's specified in Apple's developer agreement. You can't enroll as an iOS or Mac developer without legally agreeing to this developer agreement ahead of time.
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With all the shady activity they're seeing, and the incentives to try and hide that activity, the connections they drew were not unreasonable.

That could possibly be precisely what happened. A ton of review fraudsters probably used exactly the same method to hide multiple accounts ("my 23 sisters and my 47 cousins", etc., multiple accounts all using the same iOS devices). This just happens to be the one of the ones doing the same things (or looking no different), but this got the big PR on MR as well. A few dolphin got caught in the fish net, but the village got fed. Good for the app and fish consumer.

BTW, does using someone else's credit card actually comply with the Apple Store agreement?
 
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This dev, regardless of what he knew or didn't, was funding fraudulent activity.

This was well respected app developer - if Apple had made it known to him prior to banhammering his account that he was funding fraud, I feel as though he would have solved this problem for them.
 
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This was well respected app developer - if Apple had made it known to him prior to banhammering his account that he was funding fraud, I feel as though he would have solved this problem for them.

Give it a rest man. Who honestly believes, without their Apple is Hitler glasses on, that the very same sister who was making the false reviews for that whole period, just happened not to tell him that Apple were notifying her account about the abuse. Occams Razor man. He took a risk to make a gain and got caught.
 
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Give it a rest man. Who honestly believes, without their Apple is Hitler glasses on, that the very same sister who was making the false reviews for that whole period, just happened not to tell him that Apple were notifying her account about the abuse. Occams Razor man. He took a risk to make a gain and got caught.

Lol then why is he back?

Because Apple screwed up and realized it. I'm sorry my opinion isn't the same as yours, but hardly "Hitler Apple glasses." - you're talking to an app developer tapping this out on an iPhone 7.

Edit: and if any sister was letting their older sibling pay for something on their behalf AND also was doing fraudulent things to earn money, you better believe they'd keep that to themselves. Any sane person would.
 
Did I miss something? I might have but...

https://blog.kapeli.com

Didn't realize it's still gone. Bummer.
Point still stands though - Apple screwed up and ruined a developers reputation and livelihood over circumstantial evidence which is supported by his phone call and many many other high quality app developers.

Honestly, that undercuts my trust in the App Store. As I've said, how is Apple going to handle bad actors in small companies? Sucks though.

But I must be anti-Apple though, because I don't agree on any level with this outcome.
 
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Didn't realize it's still gone. Bummer.
Point still stands though - Apple screwed up and ruined a developers reputation and livelihood over circumstantial evidence which is supported by his phone call and many many other high quality app developers.

Honestly, that undercuts my trust in the App Store. As I've said, how is Apple going to handle bad actors in small companies? Sucks though.

But I must be anti-Apple though, because I don't agree on any level with this outcome.

It would seem so. He tried to game the system and he suffered the consequences after a very extended chance (2 years is more than generous, let's be honest here) to rectify it. Case closed.

Hypotheticals about bad actors in small companies are surely a worry but they don't apply here. There's really no reason to white knight this clown.
 
How bizarre for the developer of a successful app to feel the need to resort to fraudulent reviews and yet Apple's stance on this seems very robust indeed, suggesting they are 100% confident in their decision.

Not bizarre when you consider that other people wrote and own that documentation, and the creator of Dash basically sells access to that free content.

Keep it down, IMO. I never bought it and I never will. How dare that guy think he deserves any money for all of the content that Apple make available for free!
 
This was well respected app developer - if Apple had made it known to him prior to banhammering his account that he was funding fraud, I feel as though he would have solved this problem for them.
So you're pulling a quote from my paragraph that explicitly started with the phrase, "I understand looking at this from the dev's point of view, but from Apple's point of view..." and then arguing from the devs point of view. That's the whole problem here-- you're not stepping back and realizing that based on the limited information available and a little human frailty, reasonable people could have constructed very different stories.

So, again from Apples point of view, well respected by what metric? BIGBY we have no proof that he wasn't actually involved in the fraudulent activity, all we know is that one of his apps was used by people who liked it. BIGBY he showed himself to be a bit unethical by recording and publishing a private conversation.

Again, as I've said over and over, maybe in an alternate universe where Apple chose to contact all of the emails of all of the linked accounts they saw to be owned by the same entity, one of those emails would have gotten to the dev and he may have figured this out before he got shut down. That didn't happen. As far as I know, they have no idea which account is the "true" cardholder-- from Apple's point of view they're all owned by one entity. I certainly don't think Apple intentionally avoided talking to someone who could fix the problem.

In this universe, Apple went directly to developer that was the source of the fraud, was unable to resolve the issue, and shut down all of the accounts connected to that developer. They then tried to work directly with the "respected" developer to get this all untangled, and BIGBY that developer threw a hissy.

So I think the difference between Apple contacting the developer before and after banning would have been a matter of a few days of account activity. We've seen that happen to other apps for various reasons. Mistakes happen some times, and people need to adapt. Apple looked willing to adapt. BIGBY, the Dash developer reacted in a way that may have cut him off permanently.

So, while you may be right that things would have gone differently in that alternate universe where Apple flawlessly followed your prescription for fraud resolution, and I may be right that in an alternative universe where Bogdan didn't react so rashly Apple may have followed through on their steps to overlook the fact that BIGBY he was financing a fraudulent account, we don't live in either of those universes.
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Not bizarre when you consider that other people wrote and own that documentation, and the creator of Dash basically sells access to that free content.

Keep it down, IMO. I never bought it and I never will. How dare that guy think he deserves any money for all of the content that Apple make available for free!
Because the interface was incredibly clean, well integrated, and easy to use. This wasn't just a file reader, it had some very sophisticated search capabilities and support for expanding code macros-- at least on the Mac app. I didn't use the iOS one.

I won't download the Mac version outside the Mac App Store though. There's very few apps that I will-- mainly because I don't trust random developers with my credit card details or to install code on my machine.
 
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Not bizarre when you consider that other people wrote and own that documentation, and the creator of Dash basically sells access to that free content.

Keep it down, IMO. I never bought it and I never will. How dare that guy think he deserves any money for all of the content that Apple make available for free!
Google charges you, by way of showing you ads, for access to bits of data from other people's websites - how dare Google thinks they deserve any money for all that content that everyone on the Internet makes available for free. So obviously you never use google.com to search for anything, because they're evil, right?

He isn't charging for content that others made, he's charging for a very nice search engine you can run on your Mac that can find things quickly in local copies of that content - which you have instructed the program to download (it doesn't come with any of the content built-in).

But, hey, if you're looking to get morally outraged, don't let facts get in the way.
 
I subscribe to zero conspiracy-theory websites. How many do you subscribe to?

You seem a little too focused on your own take on this to actually listen to what I am saying: there have been numerous positive mentions of the Dash app BY WELL-KNOWN DEVELOPERS ON THEIR OWN WELL-KNOWN WEBSITES/BLOGS AND TWITTER ACCOUNTS. What in the hell does that have to do with dummy accounts?

I said my decision to use the software was based on reviews that weren't on the App Store.
You're saying "well those are probably faked reviews you're talking about"
I'm saying, "no, the ones I'm talking about were written by developers who are well known in the software development community, published on their own authenticated twitter accounts / websites."
You're still saying, "well those are probably faked reviews you're talking about - it's trivial to make dummy accounts".
The situation I described couldn't be affected by dummy accounts, it could only be affected by getting real developers (with reputations to uphold) to post fake reviews on their own websites - given your insistence that this was the Dash developer's action, I suggested the only thing left you might be talking about was some sort of mind control or coercion.
Your response is that I'm a conspiracy theorist. NO, I'm suggesting that only some conspiracy theory that you subscribe to could explain your continued reliance on the same response over and over.
I don't think you're listening. Smh.

ok. well, you started talking tinfoil hats and "mind control" and a bunch of other nonsense. perhaps you didn't comprehend my comment before going off on that rant. i said

And what makes you think all those reviews on OTHER sites were legit?

I don't know how you interpret that to mean anything other than ALL those other reviews. I never said that these "well known" developers that you seem to idolize didn't actually write some positive reviews. I merely implied that perhaps not ALL of the external reviews were legit. Typically when app shills flood the web with fraudulent reviews, they don't just target iTunes, but other sites as well. Are you saying that if someone were posting fake reviews that you think they would limit themselves to ONLY iTunes?
 
He tried to game the system and he suffered the consequences after a very extended chance (2 years is more than generous, let's be honest here) to rectify it. Case closed.
Yes, two years would be an extraordinary amount of time to grant someone to stop doing something wrong - a) if he was aware they were notifying him (it's not clear whether notifications were going to him or only to the second account), and b) if he was the one who actually did the bad things. It's not clear yet that either of these conditions obtain. Too often there is a tendency to say, "well, we have to convict, because look how bad/severe/flagrant the crime was" - but that's flawed logic - the only valid reason to convict is that you actually have the person who did the crime.
 
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Yes, two years would be an extraordinary amount of time to grant someone to stop doing something wrong - a) if he was aware they were notifying him (it's not clear whether notifications were going to him or only to the second account), and b) if he was the one who actually did the bad things. It's not clear yet that either of these conditions obtain. Too often there is a tendency to say, "well, we have to convict, because look how bad/severe/flagrant the crime was" - but that's flawed logic - the only valid reason to convict is that you actually have the person who did the crime.

This has been covered many, many times in this thread

Give it a rest man. Who honestly believes, without their Apple is Hitler glasses on, that the very same sister who was making the false reviews for that whole period, just happened not to tell him that Apple were notifying her account about the abuse. Occams Razor man. He took a risk to make a gain and got caught.
 
This has been covered many, many times in this thread
Go look at all my other posts on MacRumors, over the past dozen years. Show me the ones where I've been wearing "Apple is Hitler glasses". Please. I'll wait.

"very same sister" ... "just happened not to tell him"

So, you're saying that your expectation is that a relative who was doing something shady (and trading off / endangering his reputation as a developer in the process) would naturally be completely open and honest with him about it and would immediately inform him of new evidence of her wrongdoing, like email from Apple saying "hey, stop the wrongdoing"? Would it be surprising news to you to learn that many people who do bad things keep it a secret, even from their relatives? You pick a funny place to bring up Occam's Razor.

I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm not saying he isn't. I'm saying we don't have all the facts. (As I stated earlier, at the minimum, he has shown some very poor judgement, such as publishing that recording.)
 
Go look at all my other posts on MacRumors, over the past dozen years. Show me the ones where I've been wearing "Apple is Hitler glasses". Please. I'll wait.

"very same sister" ... "just happened not to tell him"

So, you're saying that your expectation is that a relative who was doing something shady (and trading off / endangering his reputation as a developer in the process) would naturally be completely open and honest with him about it and would immediately inform him of new evidence of her wrongdoing, like email from Apple saying "hey, stop the wrongdoing"? Would it be surprising news to you to learn that many people who do bad things keep it a secret, even from their relatives? You pick a funny place to bring up Occam's Razor.

I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm not saying he isn't. I'm saying we don't have all the facts. (As I stated earlier, at the minimum, he has shown some very poor judgement, such as publishing that recording.)

No. no, you're right. The sister who he bought the account (and maintained it for two years). The sister who he gave hardware to. The sister was just posting reviews in his favor without his knowledge for, um, reasons. How could I be so stupid? :rolleyes:

It's done. He's out.
 
Is it too much to ask that the "linked accounts" be notified of fraud?

If there is suspicious card activity on a authorized users account, my bank notifies the authorized user and me as the card holder.
 
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I don't know how you interpret that to mean anything other than ALL those other reviews. I never said that these "well known" developers that you seem to idolize didn't actually write some positive reviews.

Then your comment was a non sequitur - given that you were presenting it as a counter-argument to my statement, which was that I was persuaded to use Dash specifically by reviews and comments from other developers. Either you were asserting that the reviews I based my decision upon were fake, or your reply "and what makes you think ..." was trying to draw a connection between my specific statement (about relying on particular web reviews), and your belief (that at least some review somewhere on the web was fake) where actually none existed.

Let's review:
citysnaps asked if the reason Dash was considered successful might be largely because of the fraudulent reviews (ignoring for the moment that it seems the reviews deemed fraudulent were for the apps on the other account, not for Dash).

I replied that a lot of developers like it and use it and that "I didn't decide to use it by reading the reviews for it on the App Store ..., I was convinced to use it by lots of positive references to it from other developers (some of them well known)..." I was showing that at least some people like the app for reasons entirely unrelated to the reviews on the App Store.

You then replied to me with, "And what makes you think all those reviews on OTHER sites were legit?" Counter-arguments generally need to actually be relevant to the assertion they're attempting to counter, or else they're pointless in the given context.

Thus, I necessarily interpreted your question in this way (because any other interpretation would render it not relevant to my comment that you were replying to - I made the assumption that you weren't just yelling random things): by "all those reviews" you meant the ones that led me to use Dash (since that was the main point of the bit of my comment you were replying to), and by "on OTHER sites" you meant the sites other than the App Store where I read these reviews that helped inform my decision to purchase the app. Thus implying that he had somehow saturated the developer community with fake reviews, causing them to be posted with the credentials of all sorts of other people. Which sounded awfully paranoid on your part.

I merely implied that perhaps not ALL of the external reviews were legit. Typically when app shills flood the web with fraudulent reviews, they don't just target iTunes, but other sites as well.

Ah, then I agree with your second sentence, while your first sentence says that you were, indeed, presenting something in the form of a counter-argument when it was not a valid, relevant, counter-argument. Why do this?

Are you saying that if someone were posting fake reviews that you think they would limit themselves to ONLY iTunes?
No, I am absolutely not saying that, and don't believe such. Someone posting fake reviews is likely as not going to do it in multiple places.

You also said, by the way, "In the end, the guy was a scumbag trying to mislead buyers and Apple nabbed him. Good riddance." That's you being judge, jury, and executioner, for someone you don't know, have never interacted with, over a situation where we have only a partial handful of the relevant facts and may never get the whole story. Seems pretty harsh.
 
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Did I miss something? I might have but...

https://blog.kapeli.com
The right thing here would be to refund every purchase, as a sign of good faith and admittance of wrongdoing. Then partner with another developer to get it back on the store and have those who got their app refunded to pay for the new app, if they are still interested and willing to forgive.
 
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The sister was just posting reviews in his favor without his knowledge for, um, reasons. How could I be so stupid? :rolleyes:
I don't know, but since you brought it up, how can you be so stupid? You seem to be missing the part where there were two accounts, one with only the Dash app, under his control, and one with a handful of mediocre apps unrelated to Dash, supposedly under his sister's control (he's said he gave her some old hardware to get started, and paid for the account). If she's doing nefarious things related to her apps (faking reviews or paying someone else to fake reviews), what do you think the chances are she would run to him and say, "hey, guess what, brother? I'm risking your reputation and livelihood in order to make a little extra money for myself by doing shady things!"?

I'm not saying he did or didn't do something wrong (I have no proof either way, and the information released to this point is far from complete). But don't use faulty logic to convict him. Don't go into torches and pitchforks territory. I severely dislike fake reviews. But it doesn't seem at all clear yet that he has posted or bought any fake reviews. I'm not harboring false hope that you'll be swayed by these words - it's clear you've already made up your mind and facts and logic are no longer necessary. It's a shame, I thought you were one of the smart ones.
 
So I think the difference between Apple contacting the developer before and after banning would have been a matter of a few days of account activity.

That's a lot of words to say very little. Apple lied when they said they've been in contact with him for the past two years over this issue, so from their POV there was a mistake or they blantantly lied for PR.

But let's look at Apples POV in regards to handling information: As you said it yourself, Apple did not know which account was the owner of the card - if that were the case, then they should have contacted both accounts. Straight incompetence not to. Especially prior to cancelling them both, and especially the one without fraudulent activity and one by a highly acclaimed developer who turned revenue in the store. Hell, they should have done it out of respect for the developer's own security two years ago (we saw an account associated with details of yours is producing fraudulent activity)

Like I've said prior - Apple banhammered an indie developer here, but I can only imagine the effect something like this would have in a business if all it takes is a bad actor with common account details to get all related accounts taken down without notice and with a vague response ("You were spamming."). Messed up, man.
 
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Do we actually have a source that says it was his sister, or did we just make that up earlier in the thread as a hypothetical that slowly became a fact?
 
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Good riddance!

I’m not doubting Apple in this case. Long overdue in my opinion, actually...

Once upon a time I bought the app DockView through the Mac App Store, a paid app at the time. A bit later, Bogdan Popescu decided to "upgrade" it to version 2 and make it free. Or rather, make it "free" with a required in-app purchase to restore the functionality that had been there from the start and customers like me already paid for once. This was his shady way of getting around the no paid upgrades situation in the App Store...

Dear Dash Users
Oct 11th, 2016


It does not look like Dash can return to the App Store anytime soon. Due to Dash’sremoval from the App Store, please note that you can no longer download the apps you paid for.

So... He has in the past screwed over buyers of his app(s) and now post a message like that...
 
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