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Apple has accused Indian antitrust investigators of "copy-pasting" claims from its rivals and failing to conduct their own analysis, arguing the regulator's findings against it should be thrown out.

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In a June 25 submission to the Competition Commission of India (CCI) reviewed by Reuters, Apple escalated its long-running dispute with the regulator, where Match and a group of Indian startups are among its opponents. The CCI's investigators privately concluded in 2024 that Apple had engaged in "abusive conduct" on the App Store and wrongly mandated the use of its own payment system.

Apple has denied the allegations. The company said it is a "minuscule player" with under 6% of India's smartphone market, and argued the investigation's conclusions rest on rivals' claims rather than the CCI's independent work. It warned that "forced alterations to Apple's carefully designed App Store could disrupt its integrated business model," and that remedies would "create regulatory uncertainty and could deter investments in India's digital economy."

In its submission, Apple provided tables intended to show the CCI's investigation team had simply reproduced filings from opponents in the case, including Match, Walmart's Indian payments app PhonePe, and Indian rival Paytm. "The DG [Director General] made no effort whatsoever to independently verify or critically assess these statements, often parroting them verbatim," Apple said.

Apple also claimed the CCI "blindly replicated" a graphic on worldwide consumer spending on mobile apps and games drawn from a 2024 EU ruling against the company, despite India facing different market conditions. In its own case, Google argued that Indian investigators had copied parts of a European ruling, but it had little effect on the final ruling resulting in forced changes to promotion of Android.

Apple is also arguing that officials failed to grant it "a single opportunity to record its statements and provide oral evidence" during the probe, in contrast to Google, which it says was given several chances to defend itself.

The regulator has accused Apple of stalling the case for more than two years by withholding responses and pursuing a parallel challenge to India's antitrust penalty law, which allows for fines of up to 10% of a company's turnover over the previous three years. That law lets India base any penalty on global rather than local turnover, the basis on which Apple has estimated its potential exposure at as much as $38 billion. Apple is separately contesting in a New Delhi court whether the law, which took effect in 2024, should apply to the full 2022–2024 period in question.

Apple had refused to supply global financial documents for that period before agreeing to cooperate in early June 2026, ultimately submitting only its local Indian turnover after requesting a "final extension" that ran to June 25, which was the same day it filed its copy-pasting accusation.

The dispute comes as India grows ever more central to Apple's business. The country is set to make 26% of the world's iPhones in 2026, up from 6% four years ago.

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Article Link: Apple Says India's Antitrust Case Against It Is 'Copy-Pasted'
 
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The dispute comes as India grows ever more central to Apple's business. The country is set to make 26% of the world's iPhones in 2026, up from 6% four years ago.
India is going to fine Apple $38B? Apple should pull out of India and rethink its plans.
Brilliant idea. It's not as if Apple needs India.

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Apple India may have hit a record $9 billion in domestic sales in 2024-25 (FY25), placing it among the country’s top 10 manufacturing multinationals by revenue. But it still accounted for just over 2 per cent of Apple’s global revenues of $416.1 billion, according to filings in the US and India.

Yet India's role in iPhone production tells a different story. One in every five iPhones made globally in FY25 came out of India, and the country contributed 12 per cent of Apple's global production value. Apple also began assembling the high-end Pro and Pro Max models in India for the first time.




In India, Apple Incorporated set a record for total revenue for the three months ended December 2025. "This was aided by double-digit revenue growth across Apple's four main device categories," said by CEO of Apple, Mr. Tim Cook during an investor call. He said Apple is optimistic about international markets, particularly India, describing the region as a "key growth market." Demand for iPhones, Macs, iPads, and the services category is extremely strong in India. Furthermore, Apple outperformed many other international emerging markets, reflecting an increase in the purchasing power of consumers in India and an increase in upscale consumption among Indian consumers. Analysts believe Apple's expansion of retail stores, including flagship stores in Mumbai and Delhi, as well as competitive financing and trade-in programs, have decreased the barriers to entry for new customers in India.
 
Any law that bases its penalties on a company's global revenues rather than its revenues within that jurisdiction is extortion, plain and simple. The government loses any notion of credibility and legitimacy when enacting and enforcing such laws. Can you imagine if you were facing lawsuits from 3 countries and each wanted 35% penalty of your global revenues? It would literally be more profitable to simply never pay the fines and cease operations in those countries.

Fines and penalties for violations of local laws can make sense if they are just. But to base fines and penalties on a company's business in jurisdictions outside your own makes no sense.

In this case there is literally a local subsidiary of Apple in India that is its own legal entity that Apple was required to establish in order to do business there -- it is called Apple India Private Limited (CIN: U30007KA1996PTC019630). Any lawsuit should be against that entity and any penalties calculated should be derived from revenues of that entity.
 
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"Apple has accused Indian antitrust investigators of "copy-pasting" claims from its rivals and failing to conduct their own analysis".

Whatever someone thinks of the merits of this case, if this is true, that's pure ineptitude.
 
Go for it India, get that EU fine money. While we're at it the U.S. and China should snag it up too.

I'm honestly surprised more countries don't take a look these ridiculous multi-trillion dollar companies taking over the world and just grab a piece of the pie. Sure, that company might pull out of your area, but chances are they won't because they wouldn't be there if they didn't need the country to some degree anyway. And if they do, hey you get several billions on their way out, or will if they come crawling back in the future and pay up. These corporations are leeches, whining about how there's not enough workers in the U.S./Canada/Mexico with the skills but refuse to invest in stable countries in the West to build up manufacturing. Suck eggs.
 
I mean, yeah, that’s kinda what happens when you lose something like this. Everyone else with a claim lines up to file their version.

That’s why Apple fights back so aggressively. They know the App Store monopoly getting wobbly in one country could have a cascading effect.
 
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“India’s anti-trust suit seems to be a carbon copy of others. They must have outsourced their legal work to India.”
 
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. . . . The government loses any notion of credibility and legitimacy when enacting and enforcing such laws. . . . .
Nobody cares if a government lost a notion of credibility and legitimacy.

If they did we would not have the governments we have today in any country.

Citizens simply do NOT care. Or if they do care, they do NOT vote. Of if they vote, then the voting is rigged and they don't care if the voting is rigged.

Most are simply more interested in the next pop star or fashion, what money they can steal/embezzle, and/or what drugs they are going to get for the party tonight.
 
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Any law that bases its penalties on a company's global revenues rather than its revenues within that jurisdiction is extortion, plain and simple. The government loses any notion of credibility and legitimacy when enacting and enforcing such laws. Can you imagine if you were facing lawsuits from 3 countries and each wanted 35% penalty of your global revenues? It would literally be more profitable to simply never pay the fines and cease operations in those countries.

Fines and penalties for violations of local laws can make sense if they are just. But to base fines and penalties on a company's business in jurisdictions outside your own makes no sense.

In this case there is literally a local subsidiary of Apple in India that is its own legal entity that Apple was required to establish in order to do business there -- it is called Apple India Private Limited (CIN: U30007KA1996PTC019630). Any lawsuit should be against that entity and any penalties calculated should be derived from revenues of that entity.
They and the EU both realize that the company they’re attacking for their “dominant position” doesn’t really have enough marketshare in the region for any fines to matter. They’re literally attacking the minority player that is the only thing preventing them from having a REAL monopoly problem 🙂
 
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If Apple listened to all the people over the years who've said "Apple should just pull out of ______," Apple would have left the EU, China, India, Japan, etc., cutting their total addressable market by over 50%
If apple listened to all of the criticism over the years; we would have had side loading, lower commissions for devs, rollback to any version etc.
 
Brilliant idea. It's not as if Apple needs India.

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Apple India may have hit a record $9 billion in domestic sales in 2024-25 (FY25), placing it among the country’s top 10 manufacturing multinationals by revenue. But it still accounted for just over 2 per cent of Apple’s global revenues of $416.1 billion, according to filings in the US and India.

Yet India's role in iPhone production tells a different story. One in every five iPhones made globally in FY25 came out of India, and the country contributed 12 per cent of Apple's global production value. Apple also began assembling the high-end Pro and Pro Max models in India for the first time.




In India, Apple Incorporated set a record for total revenue for the three months ended December 2025. "This was aided by double-digit revenue growth across Apple's four main device categories," said by CEO of Apple, Mr. Tim Cook during an investor call. He said Apple is optimistic about international markets, particularly India, describing the region as a "key growth market." Demand for iPhones, Macs, iPads, and the services category is extremely strong in India. Furthermore, Apple outperformed many other international emerging markets, reflecting an increase in the purchasing power of consumers in India and an increase in upscale consumption among Indian consumers. Analysts believe Apple's expansion of retail stores, including flagship stores in Mumbai and Delhi, as well as competitive financing and trade-in programs, have decreased the barriers to entry for new customers in India.
9 billion evaporates rapidly when you have to spend billions for attorneys. Also spend a fortune in developing functionality unique to a country, keep getting fined for not meeting a target you thought you met…
 
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Any law that bases its penalties on a company's global revenues rather than its revenues within that jurisdiction is extortion, plain and simple. The government loses any notion of credibility and legitimacy when enacting and enforcing such laws. Can you imagine if you were facing lawsuits from 3 countries and each wanted 35% penalty of your global revenues? It would literally be more profitable to simply never pay the fines and cease operations in those countries.

Fines and penalties for violations of local laws can make sense if they are just. But to base fines and penalties on a company's business in jurisdictions outside your own makes no sense.

In this case there is literally a local subsidiary of Apple in India that is its own legal entity that Apple was required to establish in order to do business there -- it is called Apple India Private Limited (CIN: U30007KA1996PTC019630). Any lawsuit should be against that entity and any penalties calculated should be derived from revenues of that entity.
So how do they then have any power of enforcement when a global company just books all its revenue through somewhere else, like Ireland?
 
So how do they then have any power of enforcement when a global company just books all its revenue through somewhere else, like Ireland?
The revenue still exists in the original jurisdiction. It’s just offset by an expense from a company in a different jurisdiction.

For an oversimplified example, if Apple India makes $100 in revenue, Apple Ireland might charge them $99 for the product and IP rights. So Apple India only pays taxes on the $1 in profit to India, but the $100 in revenue is still on Apple India’s books.
 
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