Apple Says iOS 13 to Bring 'Biggest Update to CarPlay Yet'

[MozMan68]

Not sure I understand your issues. You should always be capable of navigating your music using CarPlay. I would only recommend using the steering wheel controls to skip, repeat, change volume while you are actively driving. Navigating CarPlay menus should be done by passenger or while pulled over in a safe spot.

As I stated above, he’s referring to the fact that some manufacturers limit one’s ability to search their entire catalog through the CarPlay interface while moving. Only recently played music or playlists are available to choose from in the music menu.

This forces one to go to their phone to make the selection which to me, is much more dangerous....and so frustrating.

 

[960design]

As I stated above, he’s referring to the fact that some manufacturers limit one’s ability to search their entire catalog through the CarPlay interface while moving. Only recently played music or playlists are available to choose from in the music menu.

This forces one to go to their phone to make the selection which to me, is much more dangerous....and so frustrating.

Thanks, makes sense. Silly manufactures, trying to keep us safe.
Fortunately, my car manufacturer allows complete navigation while driving. I do not doubt some bean counter has a little blurb on page 67, about increased sales through 'accidents' while navigating CarPlay.

 

[C DM]

Why? 3rd Party apps won't support it until the official launch in September.

Wouldn't those that support it already work? And you'd get the new design and any related native app updates?

 

[isaywhateveryo]

Is there a way to enter touch tone keypad numbers while in a call? That the keypad is locked breaks the ability to call many numbers that have automated systems.

 

[MozMan68]

Wouldn't those that support it already work? And you'd get the new design and any related native app updates?

They still work, but only in the current iOS12 full screen mode. The apps won’t be updated to the new configuration until September when iOS13 is officially released.

 

[C DM]

They still work, but only in the current iOS12 full screen mode. The apps won’t be updated to the new configuration until September when iOS13 is officially released.

Right. So it's still useful even without the 3rd party apps supporting the new features so far, given the overall changes as well as those for native apps.

 

[PeteLP]

They still work, but only in the current iOS12 full screen mode. The apps won’t be updated to the new configuration until September when iOS13 is officially released.

I’ve just seen screen shots of the iOS beta, showing google maps and multiple third party music apps working properly with the new dashboard feature. It’s also been reported that these apps and others work properly in that mode already. It doesn’t sound like the apps themselves need to be updated to support CarPlay’s dashboard.

[Edit: Dashboard is NOT currently working properly for Google Maps or Waze. See this POST]

Regarding car manufacturers need to update for CarPlay updates:

Most CarPlay changes need no updates by car manufacturers. But some do.

Examples requiring manufacturer changes

- apple’s recent support for larger screen resolutions providing more screen real estate. (This is not required for dashboard, but WOULD allow for manufacturers to show much larger maps and a larger dashboard, when a mfr makes changes to support it)
- support for wireless CarPlay
- support for CarPlay’s ability to show info on heads up displays and additional alternate screens
- Apple support for providing access to a cars own physical controls using CarPlay apps

Any update that can be displayed with existing screen real estate and existing resolutions, is automatically supported without any changes from the mfr

 

[MozMan68]

I’ve just seen screen shots of the iOS beta, showing google maps and multiple third party music apps working properly with the new dashboard feature. It’s also been reported that these apps and others work properly in that mode already. It doesn’t sound like the apps themselves need to be updated to support CarPlay’s dashboard.

Regarding car manufacturers need to update for CarPlay updates:

Most CarPlay changes need no updates by car manufacturers. But some do.

Examples requiring manufacturer changes

- apple’s recent support for larger screen resolutions providing more screen real estate. (This is not required for dashboard, but WOULD allow for manufacturers to show much larger maps and a larger dashboard, when a mfr makes changes to support it)
- support for wireless CarPlay
- support for CarPlay’s ability to show info on heads up displays and additional alternate screens
- Apple support for providing access to a cars own physical controls using CarPlay apps

Any update that can be displayed with existing screen real estate and existing resolutions, is automatically supported without any changes from the mfr

Sorry...but I disagree...more than a few people have confirm that Google and Waze work on the iOS13 beta, but only in full screen mode.

If that has changed, I personally have not seen evidence of that.

Can anyone on here confirm?

I'm just not sure how they could work properly with a completely different layout and code specifically associated with mulitple tiles.

 

[PeteLP]

Sorry...but I disagree...more than a few people have confirm that Google and Waze work on the iOS13 beta, but only in full screen mode.

If that has changed, I personally have not seen evidence of that.

Can anyone on here confirm?

I'm just not sure how they could work properly with a completely different layout and code specifically associated with mulitple tiles.

[Edit: Dashboard is NOT currently working properly for Google Maps or Waze. More info in THIS POST]

Here’s the article that claims it’s working on third party apps already:
https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/carplay-ios-13-homescreen-dynamic-layouts/

Here’s the photo showing the dashboard working with google maps and YouTube music:

 

[MozMan68]

Here’s the article that claims it’s working on third party apps already:
https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/carplay-ios-13-homescreen-dynamic-layouts/

Here’s the photo showing the dashboard working with google maps and YouTube music:

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I stand corrected...although, others on here stated it was not that way. I wonder if something has changed or they just didn't know what they were doing?

Can someone on here verify and post a screen shot.

That first pic with Google Maps looks like Apple Maps, doesn't it? Even the University symbol, while they are similar, looks like the Apple Maps one...even the color.

 

[PeteLP]

I stand corrected...although, others on here stated it was not that way. I wonder if something has changed or they just didn't know what they were doing?

Can someone on here verify and post a screen shot.

That first pic with Google Maps looks like Apple Maps, doesn't it? Even the University symbol, while they are similar, looks like the Apple Maps one...even the color.

No one in this thread has claimed they've tried it. They've claimed it wouldn't work until the actual iOS release and the new versions of the apps were released, but I believe that was just an assumption on their part.

You already have your screen shot in my post and my link to a msg from someone who actually HAS tried it.

BTW the Google Maps icon has a large solid green section with a "G" on it, and an orange location marker. The apple maps icon doesn't have those things, just a map. But yes, the maps themselves look very similar.

 

[MozMan68]

No one in this thread has claimed they've tried it. They've claimed it wouldn't work until the actual iOS release and the new versions of the apps were released, but I believe that was just an assumption on their part.

You already have your screen shot in my post and my link to a msg from someone who actually HAS tried it.

BTW the Google Maps icon has a large solid green section with a "G" on it, and an orange location marker. The apple maps icon doesn't have those things, just a map. But yes, the maps themselves look very similar.

Look again...while google and Waze may be operating in the background, all of those pics show Apple Maps on the screen.

Look at the color of the line on the Waze map integrated as well as what I pointed out on the Google shot. Those are NOT Google and Waze Maps on the split screen, just the directions popping up...which makes no sense as well as why would they pop up if you were in the app?

They should just “run” with directions showing in the upper right.

Google and Waze are “operating” in split screen mode, but they are not truly running like Maps is currently integrated.

 

[PeteLP]

I stand corrected...although, others on here stated it was not that way. I wonder if something has changed or they just didn't know what they were doing?

Can someone on here verify and post a screen shot.

That first pic with Google Maps looks like Apple Maps, doesn't it? Even the University symbol, while they are similar, looks like the Apple Maps one...even the color.

APOLOGIES

I've just done some more digging, and it appears that the link above, where I got the photo and where the author claimed that Google Maps WAS now working with Dashboard, was showing photos and comments from a reddit thread, though I didn't see any attribution in that post.

(i found that reddit post with my own googling on this subject in general, which I began doing and writing up before you posted your last post. I was searching for this because I found another MacRumor thread where people claimed it wasn't working, like you mentioned)

AND later in that original Reddit thread the author realizes that its NOT working with google maps showing on the dashboard.

What the photo is showing is the Google Maps ICON, and the Apple Maps MAP. (Like you said in your post above) Presumably that inconsistency will be cleared up in future releases, and the feature probably does require an update to third party map Apps. The now playing music widget might actually be working now for third party music apps.

I believe the misinformation came from an honest mistake on the part of the original poster. Sorry for the erroneous post.

 

[MozMan68]

APOLOGIES

I've just done some more digging, and it appears that the link above, where I got the photo and where the author claimed that Google Maps WAS now working with Dashboard, was showing photos and comments from a reddit thread, though I didn't see any attribution in that post.

( i found that reddit post with my own googling, which I began doing and writing up before you posted your last post. I was searching for this because I found another MacRumor thread where people claimed it wasn't working, like you mentioned)

AND later in that original Reddit thread the author realizes that its NOT working with google maps showing on the dashboard.

What the photo is showing is the Google Maps ICON, and the Apple Maps MAP. (Like you said in your post above) Presumably that inconsistency will be cleared up in future releases, and the feature probably does require an update to third party map Apps. The now playing music widget might actually be working now for third party music apps.

I believe the misinformation came from an honest, and legit mistake on the part of the original poster. Sorry for the erroneous post.

Well...one thing is clear...it was obviously VERY confusing.

I mean...I would probably think the same thing at first. And I edited my own first post 5 times as I kept going back and looking at it.

I think a smart (short term) move by Apple would be to NOT let 3rd party apps have the split screen option...force them to be full screen like today or run in the background like that article showcased.

I do t think it’s wrong to force people to use Apple Maps on their own product...at least at first.

 

[PeteLP]

Well...one thing is clear...it was obviously VERY confusing.

I mean...I would probably think the same thing at first. And I edited my own first post 5 times as I kept going back and looking at it.

LOL thats funny

I think a smart (short term) move by Apple would be to NOT let 3rd party apps have the split screen option...force them to be full screen like today or run in the background like that article showcased.

I do t think it’s wrong to force people to use Apple Maps on their own product...at least at first.

Well I think what we're seeing here is just Beta behavior, and expect that by the time iOS13 is released, and thereafter, Map apps will be required to support the dashboard properly if they want to be used on CarPlay

 

[Manatlt]

Here’s the article that claims it’s working on third party apps already:
https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/carplay-ios-13-homescreen-dynamic-layouts/

Here’s the photo showing the dashboard working with google maps and YouTube music:

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I know this turned out to be a mistake from the author, but from that image I instantly knew that's Apple Maps and not Google Maps.

 

[OlliFlamme]

Not a silly question at all. CarPlay did not need to be updated in my car. The new version just worked. It is still in early Beta, I would not recommend it for most at this point.

Indeed: not silly at all.

Apple’s stating this for example, on their current iOS 13 features web page:

Album art in Now Playing
Automakers can choose to showcase album art so it’s easier to find the perfect song, album, or playlist for your drive.

I guess we’re going to need some luck to keep having things the way we like in the future. Such an iOS Carplay toggle should be totally new, which means current car software supposedly cannot address and disable album showcasing, since that toggle didn’t exist before.
Which would mean that a surprise may pop up when our car’s software gets an update in the future: some manufacturers would choose to mess with that, wouldn’t they?

 

[960design]

Album art in Now Playing
Automakers can choose to showcase album art so it’s easier to find the perfect song, album, or playlist for your drive.

I may have misunderstood this, could you clarify?

For my vehicle the album was 'ghosted' in the full screen music controls and visible with the artist, song, album and album art within the central display ( between the speedo and tach ) on iOS 12.

 

[OlliFlamme]

I may have misunderstood this, could you clarify?

For my vehicle the album was 'ghosted' in the full screen music controls and visible with the artist, song, album and album art within the central display ( between the speedo and tach ) on iOS 12.

Well, all I could conclude was that car manufacturers are given a set of variables, it seems, which will enable or disable some CarPlay graphics in the first place and that send these to a particular display.

The note that I quote, is specifically about ‘now playing’ - which could be two things:
1. the now playing tab in Music, which would be in the main screen.
2. The constant graphics of what music is currently playing while being in other apps.

I guess it’s number two that is being described.

For my vehicle (a recent BMW with wireless CarPlay) iOS 12 can only show the now playing album graphic in a split screen view on my car’s centre display. That split screen can be toggled by the user, and the now playing is one of the options that can be displayed in that part of the screen.

As far as I know, no info whatsoever from CarPlay is displayed outside that display in my car. Technically it must be possible, to show particular CarPlay info on the display behind the steering wheel and/or on the HUD, but I get none of those. For example, only the directions of BMW’s (excellent) navigation app is shown on the HUD. As soon as I use another navigation app, I have zero instructions there, which is a pity.

If let’s say, a new software from BMW would enable the view of route instructions on the HUD fed by CarPlay - which I very much would like to have - I would be dependent on a software update from the car manufacturer.

That means that the experience of an extensive update in the CarPlay functionality within a major iOS update can very well need a complementary car software update.

FYI: there is a thread discussing the iOS 13 Carplay here.

 

[fallingrock0]

Probably a silly question - but will CarPlay need to be updated on my car as well as the phone? Or will it only be for new builds?

As others have said, you won't need to update your head unit software to use the updated CarPlay.

CarPlay is essentially an external display for your phone ... your phone does all the hard work (processing, navigating, mapping, etc) ... the head unit just displays the information in a format designed for cars.

 

[Mark0]

As others have said, you won't need to update your head unit software to use the updated CarPlay.

CarPlay is essentially an external display for your phone ... your phone does all the hard work (processing, navigating, mapping, etc) ... the head unit just displays the information in a format designed for cars.

Thanks, I appreciate the information

 

[960design]

Well, all I could conclude was that car manufacturers are given a set of variables, it seems, which will enable or disable some CarPlay graphics in the first place and that send these to a particular display.

Attached two (crappy) images of what I'm seeing:
Cluster:

Display:

 

[OlliFlamme]

Attached two (crappy) images of what I'm seeing

Thanks, this was interesting!
This obviously is a layout totally handled by your car’s own software.

It is similar to what I got in my car, but on a split view on the main display: integrated ‘now playing’ info fed by the car’s software can be shown in the far right if I enable split view and choose to have the now playing interface there.

Besides feeding a screen of graphics for the CarPlay user experience, the iPhone also communicates some info to the car’s software to integrate in the car interfaces. It probably is just the same stuff that would be visible to you in that display when you have your iPhone paired with Bluetooth without CarPlay. You know: when the phone calls and all other stuff are handled by the car’s own entertainment system.

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FWIW:

My hopes on a wide screen Apple CarPlay experience were shattered: I tested the public beta today and oddly, I got the same partial display real estate as in the previous iOS. The BMW system simply allocates only like 75% of the display starting from the left.
The remaining 25% or so is either a generic stationary image telling me that Apple Carplay is what I see. Alternatively, I could have the split view with different alternatives offered by the car software, like I mentioned above.

This resulted in a very crammed Carplay experience which honestly makes zero sense to me: you get a split view from the new CarPlay within the existing split view.

Sorry, no pictures

It was so annoying that I reverted to iOS 12 after arriving at my job. Restoring my phone really offered a relief on the one hour trip back home from work today.

I will be very sceptical and instead of being an early adopter, I will be very wary before upgrading to iOS 13 for the sake of CarPlay.

I am 100% sure that if the experience is to get similar to the Mercedes experience shown during the keynote, i will have to get a software update from BMW to enjoy it in all its glory.
I am curious about how long time that will take. Having had to pay 30 EUR for enabling CarPlay makes me have high expectations.

I only want an experience similar to this, nothing else:

 

[960design]

I only want an experience similar to this, nothing else: [image removed]

That image is exactly what my center display looks like when I tap the little icon bottom left. I tapped the music icon to show the album art is now displayed in main as well as in cluster.

 

[drjeffb]

Can't get carplay to work properly on my Ford...after upgrading to IOS 13 developer. It does work with the public beta... very strange