Unlikely, they can’t get the T2 working currently on the dropped 2018 MacBook Air.
Currently OCLP is not working on the 2018 MacBook Air because of the T2 chip. We’ll have to see what happens to the other T2 models just dropped.
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Apple Says macOS Tahoe is Compatible With These Macs
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Unlikely, they can’t get the T2 working currently on the dropped 2018 MacBook Air.
In a perfect world the price of old hardware would drop every year even if no replacement has been released to reflect the fact that the machine is another year closer to losing software support. The fact that Apple charges full price for a 2 year old design is proof that they think they can get away with it and after so many years of doing just that the customer base seems to have proven them right.
Personally I look at the original release date and start discounting in my head once a machine is 6 months old (to get the initial bugs dealt with). If I'm buying a year old Mac from the refurb website it's usually 10-15% off which seems fair to me. Occasionally Apple will have an even older model available, but usually the discount is only 20% which I don't think accurately reflects the value of the older hardware and reduced support lifespan.
Additional discounts are necessary in my mind if the machine (Mac, iPad, phone, etc.) is used rather than refurbished, open box or demo. Reduced warranties and batteries that have already been cycled many times must be reflected in the price.
Some people are willing to pay ridiculous prices for older Apple stuff. I'm not one of them.
Apple confirmed that Tahoe is the last version of MacOS that will support Intel. They did so at the end of their technical keynote (platforms state of the union).
I will be installing it on my 2020 Intel iMac. I don't see a reason not to and plenty of reasons to.
I think they mean that it is the last version that any Intel Macs will run, not that it would be the last version that would run x64 apps.
It is.
All Apple Silicon devices will be supported. It's referring to the last-update of the Intel.
i've been reading and kinda laughing at some of the reactions to the new OS info.
Tech fans like me, and some of you, we really have to calm the f down at times...
Lots of people are complaining about some macs being cut from a new OS... it really doesn't mean that computer is useless... and when my parents were alive, i'd pass the laptop down the family and they'd do the basic stuff on it..
macOS 13 got a security update just on the 12 May this year...
Windows is just as bad, i got a surface pro 4 in 2016. i7, 16gb ram i did max it out to push the life of it..
It ran windows 10. but when windows 11 was announced, it wouldn't meet the needs... less than 5 years..
i'll get slated for my opinion i know, but calm the hell down.. it's not the end of the world... or is it?
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Tech fans like me, and some of you, we really have to calm the f down at times...
Lots of people are complaining about some macs being cut from a new OS... it really doesn't mean that computer is useless... and when my parents were alive, i'd pass the laptop down the family and they'd do the basic stuff on it..
macOS 13 got a security update just on the 12 May this year...
Windows is just as bad, i got a surface pro 4 in 2016. i7, 16gb ram i did max it out to push the life of it..
It ran windows 10. but when windows 11 was announced, it wouldn't meet the needs... less than 5 years..
i'll get slated for my opinion i know, but calm the hell down.. it's not the end of the world... or is it?
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It's unlikely the other T2 machines would be any different. The 2019 iMac was the only regular Intel Mac that was dropped this year (because it was the only regular Intel Mac still supported).
It is also possible that OCLP won't work with Tahoe at all because the only Intel Macs it supports are T2 Macs.
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Yes, they were clear that it is the last version that will run on an Intel Mac. However, in the platform state of the union, they suggested to developers that it was time to transition their users off of Intel.
Although if the PPC->Intel transition is any guide, *NEXT* year will be the last to run Intel. (10.5 was the last to run on PowerPC, 10.6 was the last to run PPC apps. Although 10.6 didn't come out until two years after 10.5.)
Intel 32-bit got significantly longer support - 10.6 was the last to run on 32-bit; 10.14 was the last to run 32-bit apps, a full 10 years later.
Motorola 68k got the best - you can run some apps developed for the original 1984 release of the Macintosh through "Classic" up to 10.4's death (10.5's release) in 2007. The last release to run on a 68k was 8.1, which came out (and was replaced by 8.5) in 1998. So nearly a full decade of still being able to run apps for a different architecture after native-boot support went away.
Windows is different. Microsoft never really strictly enforced the Windows 11 requirement. You can easily bypass Windows 11 requirement. Windows is also not going to loss application support anytime soon. Even if you stuck with Windows 10, you probably gonna get Firefox, Google Chrome or any mainstream application working in the future.
macOS is different. Not only Apple put so much barrier on back porting macOS on old machine (that's why OCLP exists), but also when Intel machine gets dropped entirely, the usefulness of these Intel machine will decline as time goes by. You can't even get main stream browsers three years down the road. Microsoft certainly kills Office support as soon as macOS Tahoe stops is obsolete (ie. October 2027), Intel Mac will be obsolete by then.
Unless you are willing to install Windows or Linux on it.
For the same reason that was happening when people upgraded their machines from OS X Snow Leopard to OS X Lion.
Same thing that happened when upgrading from Mavericks to Yosemite, and from Mojave to Catalina.
People with long-term memory remember well how these transitions worked out - they simply didn't.
Compatibility wasn't even the major issue, the major issue was that these updates were so badly programmed and/or tested that the major issue was performance.
That being said, I got a 128 GB RAM iMac 5k 2019 and it's funny that I can't upgrade. Guess I'll bootcamp more into W11 then.
Yup, just checked it on their website. It's at the 54-minute mark in the video.
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/102/
The Windows 11 hardware requirement is quite annoying, but you're right you can just get around it (at least for now). I think they're charging $30 for another year of Windows 10 support (which would bring my PC into it's 13th year). Missing H265/VP9 hardware codecs is really the only sign of its age.
I'm kind of amazed I can still install my original copy of Photoshop 7 from 2002 and it runs without hiccup, 23 years later. Yet many years, the annual .1 macOS update breaks something in the suite or other software.
I think it is fine. Probably it is the last OS they want support intel macs with. Next year, intel is gone for good. That is why
Frankly my most 'modern' Mac is an Intel MacMini from 2018, so that's me "done".
Although I am not entirely sure why I should care as I do a lot of productive work on my 32-bit polycarbonate iMac running macOS 10.6.8 . . . the "ever onwards, ever upwards" hype just gets up my nose.
Although I am not entirely sure why I should care as I do a lot of productive work on my 32-bit polycarbonate iMac running macOS 10.6.8 . . . the "ever onwards, ever upwards" hype just gets up my nose.
Microsoft are offering another year of security updates for USD 30. Longer for businesses too.
This is part of the (there are many) factors of apple 'no getting' gaming. People don't think of Macs as consoles that have a limited lifespan and then need to be replaced; they think of them as PCs. Gamers build up libraries of games and go back to old games. On a modern PC I can install and run a DOS game from the early 90s, Sim City 2000 for Windows 95, a mid 2000s game like Aliens vs. Predator, something from the late 2010s like a grand theft auto and the latest triple A title. All on the same device.
Windows PCs have a culture of backward compatibility, either through official settings, patches, remasters and emulation. It's a deeply rooted aspect of Windows PCs and is supported by Microsoft - they make it as easy as possible.
With Mac, I would NEVER risk buying a game in the App Store - it could be broken with any subsequent release as apple ruthlessly drops standards or brings in new ones. The only safe way to buy games is with something like Steam or GOG.
Yes, that was disappointing. Were they the same generation of Xeon's as the 2019 Pro?
I will wait for at least the first point release (in this case 26.1) but that is something I do with every MacOS release. Why would this one be any different?