Apple Says Recently Discovered iOS Mail Vulnerabilities Pose No Immediate Threat, But a Patch Is in the Works

[dk001]

Here's the better course of conversation, what are YOU doing about it if you arent required by work to use Mail? What solution/app are you using then.

And do you feel a 3rd party app, not the Gmail app for Gmail (1st party apps) is a bigger or lesser security hole than this issue

Bashing on/arguing about Apple employees is getting nowhere, no one has any idea who is to blame (could be multiple people or teams, and Apple doesn't really care what anyone here thinks of them.

ProtonMail. I am thinking about going back to Lavabit.
I have slowly moved all my important stuff off of GMail and others. Eventually I will close all but 1 account. That is my original Gmail beta account from way back in the day 🤪 and maybe one account to use for signup type crap.

 

[citysnaps]

It’s a fact. Resource used in one area impinges on that in another unless that area has more than it needs.
It might not fit your narrative but it’s true, sorry.

No worries on you being sorry. It is a hoot you believing there's direct linkage between Apple's latest emoji addition implementation forcing Apple to cut back technical staff for Mail. And that's fine. Keep believing your "facts."

 

[dk001]

people ask for facts, you give them facts but they still have a tough time proccesing the truth and still want to fight and arguee what is right in front of them, you guys wants to defend apple when apple screw up, that’s why apple takes for ever to fix bugs and vulnerabilities because you guys act like is all right, apple get the wrong message and they think is all right because you guys accept mediocresy, we in the other hand like things to be the way it should be, the closest thing to perfection, i know no os is perfect, i know most os have bugs, but apple fix a bug but then replace it with another new bug, this sound like microsoft years ago, now it seems like microsoft is the old apple and apple is the old microsoft. if apple do something good i say yes that’s good but don’t expect me to say that is good when is really bad and unacceptable

if is a strike i’m not going to call it a low ball

if is a strike then it is a strike, let’s be fair

this is not about i like apple, i’m an apple fan, this about calling it like it is

apple is running out of time and they only have afee years left to start doing things right once again or the ship will sink to the bottom of the sea

who’s responsable for that, the sailors or the captain?

There is a reason why so many iOS/iPadOS core apps are shuttered on my devices and I use alternatives even though I have to go through the hassle as I can not make them default.
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Let's not conflate product quality with financial success. The first is still great, but with increasingly obvious slips, cracks and bursting seams that would have been unthinkable before. The second is also a result of stock buybacks besides the almost comical margin milking.

That said the amount in the coffers does give them a bit better flexibility to fix things.
Hoping they do.
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No worries on you being sorry. It is a hoot you believing there's direct linkage between Apple's latest emoji addition implementation forcing Apple to cut back technical staff for Mail. And that's fine. Keep believing your "facts."

After reading both your and @H2SO4 entries, you are both talking about different things.
JMO

 

[VanNess]

Well since mail is barely functional if you’re a gmail user then it’s probably technically true that the vulnerability wont pose any immediate threat because most of the time its stuck on “checking for mail”. If/when they ever get it working again then maybe it will

The only reason not to use gmail’s native app at this stage is if you just can’t stand gmail’s native app - of which I am one. Nevertheless Mail is iOS 13 remains abominably horrid despite numerous revisions to iOS 13 - and that god-awful reply button, orphaned at the bottom of the screen and completely separate from the rest of the message controls at the top of the screen that expands to reveal a lot more functions unrelated to a reply is just all kinds of stupid.

 

[Carrotcruncher]

I guess that is what he meant: Why does Apple prioritize hiring graphic designers that are very good in the first place? I'd rather have them hiring more programmers and spend the money on testing than hiring that graphic designer. I'm perfectly happy with a more robust OS that looks overall a bit more crappy as long as the functionality and easy of use is still there. But that's just me and I'm known to have no taste for aesthetics

Yea but don’t you know how important those emojis are dude, people can’t communicate without em these days, not even the Apple tech team ! 😀😀
A recent email about Apple email to the tech lead went something like this
Dear tech lead, 📧 is 💩, 🐛 🐜 🕷 and 🦠📱🤨🤦‍♂️🤥🤭🤫🤔🤮

 

[Whathappened]

Nitpicking about the something so basic that shouldn't be broken in the first place. After 13 versions and untold number of patches of iOS, Apple still can't figure out how to make Mail watertight? To the point that "ZecOps recommends using a third-party email app like Gmail or Outlook"?? That's the bigger evil IMHO.

The exploit was detected/made public just recently and not x versions so how could one know it was not “watertight”?
Right now there isn’t even evidence that the exploit did any true damage to the mail app. It’s not even about accessing iOS itself.
If this was different (like if Apple knew about this for years), it’d be a really bad for Apple.
All you say is like the definition of nitpicking.
Just stop it and make a more realistic approach. They are going to fix it, pay for it and will continue to further improve the mail app and sometimes they will fail. Software development not only on that level is more complex than you might think.

 

[I7guy]

It’s a fact. Resource used in one area impinges on that in another unless that area has more than it needs.
It might not fit your narrative but it’s true, sorry.

This is a strawman. It’s true, sorry. It’s a strawman because there aren’t any facts. If you had factual information on apples resource allocation and we’re able to discuss it, that would Be different.

 

[H2SO4]

This is a strawman. It’s true, sorry. It’s a strawman because there aren’t any facts. If you had factual information on apples resource allocation and we’re able to discuss it, that would Be different.

Here's some facts for you.

1. Apple DOES Not have unlimited resource.
2. Apple work to an overall budget.
3. Apple have departments that work to individual budgets.
4. The budget of one department has a bearing on the budget of the other(s), se item 1 for the reason why.

I'll perhaps give you number 3 as maybe not the case but I strongly suspect that it is, and if you accept three then you accept 4. If you don't believe those you have never run a business or have run one badly.
Your argument telling me it's a straw-man is a straw-man.

 

[I7guy]

Here's some facts for you.

1. Apple DOES Not have unlimited resource.
2. Apple work to an overall budget.
3. Apple have departments that work to individual budgets.
4. The budget of one department has a bearing on the budget of the other(s), se item 1 for the reason why.

I'll perhaps give you number 3 as maybe not the case but I strongly suspect that it is, and if you accept three then you accept 4. If you don't believe those you have never run a business or have run one badly.
Your argument telling me it's a straw-man is a straw-man.

And this is still a strawman.
-no public company’s budget is unlimited
-every public company has a budget somewhere
-Company’s have departmental budgets
- Departmental budgets have to fit within the overall budget.

Pretty much generalized observations that apply to most companies.

- what’s the structure of the emoji department
- what’s the budget of the emoji department
- what’s the structure of the engineering department
- what’s the budget
- what’s the interdependence of the emoji department with the engineering department

If you don’t have answers to the above you’re posting strawman arguments.

 

[H2SO4]

And this is still a strawman.
-no public company’s budget is unlimited
-every public company has a budget somewhere
-Company’s have departmental budgets
- Departmental budgets have to fit within the overall budget.

Pretty much generalized observations that apply to most companies.

- what’s the structure of the emoji department
- what’s the budget of the emoji department
- what’s the structure of the engineering department
- what’s the budget
- what’s the interdependence of the emoji department with the engineering department

If you don’t have answers to the above you’re posting strawman arguments.

All of that tells me you're better at strawman arguments than most and that you definitely haven't run a business.
Here's another generalised one for you, "If you want to believe Apple's "emoji implementation team" and the group that handles the Mail application are the same or share responsibilities and compete for resources, please feel free".
Whether YOU THINK they are strawman or not they are fact, it's not my fault you cant handle that.

 

[I7guy]

All of that tells me you're better at strawman arguments than most and that you definitely haven't run a business.
Here's another generalised one for you, "If you want to believe Apple's "emoji implementation team" and the group that handles the Mail application are the same or share responsibilities and compete for resources, please feel free".
Whether YOU THINK they are strawman or not they are fact, it's not my fault you cant handle that.

What you posted ( plus the insults) says you don’t have any specific knowledge of how Apple internally operates and you’re spitballing, and attempting to justify your position with generalizations (strawman).

The position of emojis vs software development is a meme anyway. Apple has a fix for the bug that will be available shortly.

 

[H2SO4]

What you posted ( plus the insults) says you don’t have any specific knowledge of how Apple internally operates and you’re spitballing, and attempting to justify your position with generalizations (strawman).

Honestly I don't care what you think. You've refuted none of what I said. You're talking from a perspective that tells me you know nothing of how budgets and company spending works.

 

[I7guy]

Honestly I don't care what you think. You've refuted none of what I said. You're talking from a perspective that tells me you know nothing of how budgets and company spending works.

Some facts instead of hyperbole would be most welcome.

 

[H2SO4]

Some facts instead of hyperbole would be most welcome.

Ever run a business?

 

[I7guy]

Ever run a business?

No facts just some talking points anybody could look up on the internet?

 

[H2SO4]

No facts just some talking points anybody could look up on the internet?

Round and round. I run a business and am speaking from my limited experience of such. What that means is there’s a good chance I’ve a reasonable idea of what goes on.
If you don’t/haven’t then you are the one that really needs to substantiate your position.
Again, are you a business owner, do you have relevant working knowledge of what you speak?

 

[I7guy]

Round and round. I run a business and am speaking from my limited experience of such. What that means is there’s a good chance I’ve a reasonable idea of what goes on.
If you don’t/haven’t then you are the one that really needs to substantiate your position.
Again, are you a business owner, do you have relevant working knowledge of what you speak?

You're missing the point that it's not about anybody's claimed experience on the internet, which can be easily researched via web search
- it's about Apple's internal structure:
- how did the mail bug come to be in ios 6
- how did the mail get buried for so long
- does working on emoji impede working on software

Having experience in a small organization 10 or 20 people does not translate to being able to understand how major companies management structure and operating lines of responsibility, especially Apples'. It's probably a fair statement to say most people (that do not work for Apple) are spitballing when it come to how Apple operates. You have to back up your position with hard-facts, because without facts, what is posted is an opinion.

 

[dk001]

Round and round. I run a business and am speaking from my limited experience of such. What that means is there’s a good chance I’ve a reasonable idea of what goes on.
If you don’t/haven’t then you are the one that really needs to substantiate your position.
Again, are you a business owner, do you have relevant working knowledge of what you speak?

As someone who has run major projects and been on numerous teams, I get your point. It is quite obvious some either don't or just want to argue.

 

[I7guy]

As someone who has run major projects and been on numerous teams, I get your point. It is quite obvious some either don't or just want to argue.

Agreed. As someone who has run multimillion dollar multinational projects it’s motherhood and “Apple pie“ without any facts that relate to Apple whatsoever. (Interesting to see the passive-aggressive nature of some of the posts)

 

[H2SO4]

You're missing the point that it's not about anybody's claimed experience on the internet, which can be easily researched via web search
- it's about Apple's internal structure:
- how did the mail bug come to be in ios 6
- how did the mail get buried for so long
- does working on emoji impede working on software

Having experience in a small organization 10 or 20 people does not translate to being able to understand how major companies management structure and operating lines of responsibility, especially Apples'. It's probably a fair statement to say most people (that do not work for Apple) are spitballing when it come to how Apple operates. You have to back up your position with hard-facts, because without facts, what is posted is an opinion.

My company is quite small. The company I used to work for is global. You have no knowledge. None. That's what I'm getting from you. You know enough to construct a strawman but have zero relevant/actual experience except internet research to put forward an argument.
You'd be surprised about some of the seemingly insignificant things that come up in board meetings.

 

[I7guy]

My company is quite small. The company I used to work for is global. You have no knowledge. None. That's what I'm getting from you. You know enough to construct a strawman but have zero relevant/actual experience except internet research to put forward an argument.
You'd be surprised about some of the seemingly insignificant things that come up in board meetings.

After all this "discussion" you should have been able to leverage your experience and answer the questions relating to Apple relevant to the thread:
- how did the mail bug come to be in ios 6
- how did the mail bug get buried for so long
- does working on emoji impede working on software (features, bug fixes etc)

But you cannot because you used the strategy "if you can't discredit the posts, discredit the poster". The lack of answers is deafening.

 

[H2SO4]

After all this "discussion" you should have been able to leverage your experience and answer the questions relating to Apple relevant to the thread:
- how did the mail bug come to be in ios 6
- how did the mail bug get buried for so long
- does working on emoji impede working on software (features, bug fixes etc)

But you cannot because you used the strategy "if you can't discredit the posts, discredit the poster". The lack of answers is deafening.

From the evidence I've seen, I'll leverage a word I learned here on MR today that describes you perfectly;
Ultracrepidarian.

 

[I7guy]

From the evidence I've seen, I'll leverage a word I learned here on MR today that describes you perfectly;
Ultracrepidarian.

Here's an extra credit assignment. Can you tell which criteria in the link provided below your posts fall into? Because you don't seem to want to discuss the posts related to the thread topic.

15 Logical Fallacies You Should Know Before Getting Into A Debate

There are 15 common logical fallacies you should know before getting into a college debate.

thebestschools.org

 

[H2SO4]

Here's an extra credit assignment. Can you tell which criteria in the link provided below your posts fall into? Because you don't seem to want to discuss the posts related to the thread topic.

15 Logical Fallacies You Should Know Before Getting Into A Debate

There are 15 common logical fallacies you should know before getting into a college debate.

thebestschools.org

I can't be bothred to even read them. Whether you agree or not, like it or not, deem it strawman or not, I posted some facts that you cannot refute as hard as you try.
When you do I'll be back to answer your questions.

 

[1144557]

Back to reality rather than measuring sticks, what apps are people using then if not the Mail app that are more "secure?"

Not protonmail, that is its own service not a universal app for all account types