There should be a choice given to consumers to sideload apps.
Face it, Apple would never do that. Just get an Android phone.
There should be a choice given to consumers to sideload apps.
For all the endless clickbait articles on this on the net, it really boils down to one thing.
Apple: "We're not making enough money."
Epic: "We're not making enough money."
Don't get caught up in all the phony talk of ethics, fairness, anti-competitive practices. It's just a case of two extremely wealthy tech companies whining about not making enough money.
In other news: Millions of Americans without jobs. Pandemic raging.
I'm actually completely with Epic on this matter. At least with Android people can install apps from outside the Play Store to avoid these charges. Apple doesn’t need to take any cut in my opinion. It’s pure greed. They don't need that money. They should be supporting their developer community by allowing them to keep 100% of their money. As a consumer and developer I’m a big believer in supporting developers. If I am buying or subscribing to an app for my Mac I will always first check if it’s available direct from the developer website rather than the app store as I want to support them financially for their hard work. I don’t see why Apple should get any of that money.
Get an Android phone if you want to side load apps and want more freedom and don’t want Apple controlling what you put on it. There is a reason they’re different.
Apple should decrease their app revenue cut from 30% to 15% to show how much they care about their developers.
I shouldn't have to. I should be able to use an iOS device and run the software and apps on it I want. There is no other acceptable position.
Really? Apple's 30% cut has been constant since the App Store launched over ten years ago *and* they seem to be loosing their grip (iOS now allows default mail/browsers, widgets, multi-tasking etc.).
From my perspective, Epic are the ones playing dirty turning this into a publicity stunt and throwing a tantrum because they want to pay less. If this was just about freedom and offering prohibited apps (e.g. xCloud) then they wouldn't also be suing Google where this isn't an issue.
TL;DR Epic are a billion dollar company and are fighting to line their pockets and not for "freedom" or for us.
Apple is anti consumer. They allow anticompetitive practices by letting Amazon to use their own payment processing but do not allow Epic to do so. This just means that customers have to pay higher prices for apps and developers have less resources to create better experiences.
Apple is anti developer. Disabling Epic access to Apple dev kit will hurt all developers making games and other apps on iPhones / Mac. Many if not all top triple A games on the App Store use Unreal Engine. I am a game developer personally use Unreal Engine on my Mac (maybe not much longer).
Another anti competitive practice Apple does is not allowing cloud streaming games with xCloud / Stadia but lets Netflix stream movies. Apple is stifling innovation in order to squeeze as much money from customers as possible.
This is not the Apple that I fell in love with and it seems like this marks the end of Apples golden years.
Epic is right, Apple has become rotten.
I get the logic, and that Apple can’t review every single app’s payment system so it is indeed safer from their pov for everyone to use apple’s... but.... I don’t believe it for a second.
There’s no ‘safety’ reason why bigger companies wouldn’t be sufficiently secure. They could even hire the same vetting teams that Apple does to prove this.
So of course it’s about protecting an income stream and nothing to do with consumer safety.
I'm actually completely with Epic on this matter. At least with Android people can install apps from outside the Play Store to avoid these charges. Apple doesn’t need to take any cut in my opinion. It’s pure greed. They don't need that money. They should be supporting their developer community by allowing them to keep 100% of their money. As a consumer and developer I’m a big believer in supporting developers. If I am buying or subscribing to an app for my Mac I will always first check if it’s available direct from the developer website rather than the app store as I want to support them financially for their hard work. I don’t see why Apple should get any of that money.
Apple is anti consumer. They allow anticompetitive practices by letting Amazon to use their own payment processing but do not allow Epic to do so. This just means that customers have to pay higher prices for apps and developers have less resources to create better experiences.
Apple is anti developer. Disabling Epic access to Apple Dev Kit will hurt all developers making games and other apps on Apple products. The majority of all top triple A games on the App Store use Unreal Engine. I am a game developer and personally use Unreal Engine on my Mac (maybe only for another 10 days if Apple succeeds in banning Epic).
Another anti competitive practice Apple does is not allowing cloud streaming games with xCloud / Stadia but lets Netflix stream movies. Apple is stifling innovation in order to squeeze as much money from customers as possible.
This is not the Apple that I fell in love with. Epic is right, Apple has become rotten.
I mean I’m excited to see how they are going to deal when Apple wins yet again lol.I understand where both sides are coming from, but Epic is going to lose this. They don't have leg to stand on in the court of law. They knowingly violated the terms of their contract to prove a point?
What are those ranges (5-15%) based on? Do you have insider information regarding how much it costs Apple to run the app store (i.e., what their specific margins are for the app store and not broader company products and services)?Apple needs to cut down their fees to about 5-15%.
30% is beyond all reason. It's especially bad for small devs and companies.
Apple should decrease their app revenue cut from 30% to 15% to show how much they care about their developers.
Apple recoups R&D and development with hardware sales and fees for app store transactions.
Epic Games should be happy Apple is not introducing a tiered system like taxes are - the more you make, the higher the tax. Epic would probably end up paying 40 - 45%.
You have no idea what kind of financial arrangement Apple has with Amazon. The problem is you and Epic who made a decision to develop on a platform with rules and now that Epic and possibly you have a platform to sell your games you want the rules to not apply to you. No one will miss you or Epic.Apple is anti consumer. They allow anticompetitive practices by letting Amazon to use their own payment processing but do not allow Epic to do so. This just means that customers have to pay higher prices for apps and developers have less resources to create better experiences.
Apple is anti developer. Disabling Epic access to Apple Dev Kit will hurt all developers making games and other apps on Apple products. The majority of all top triple A games on the App Store use Unreal Engine. I am a game developer and personally use Unreal Engine on my Mac (maybe only for another 10 days if Apple succeeds in banning Epic).
Another anti competitive practice Apple does is not allowing cloud streaming games with xCloud / Stadia but lets Netflix stream movies. Apple is stifling innovation in order to squeeze as much money from customers as possible.
This is not the Apple that I fell in love with. Epic is right, Apple has become rotten.
Apples hypocrisy is the most annoying part about the whole company. I still like their products itself but their whole marketing BS about "WE CARE ABOUT YOU AND NOT THE MONEY" is just off putting.
we don't think it's right to put their business interests ahead of the guidelines that protect our customers.
sit down Apple. Lets see ... 5 GB base storage that does not even fit a back up in most cases and leads to corrupt back ups is totally to protect the customer! Same with offering 64 GB as the base model (totally not done for upselling purposes) or the iCloud storage jump from 200 GB to 2 TB or everything being glued together in the MacBook. So environmental!
If anything, Apple is protecting their business interests since services make up a HUGE part of their sales now
I shouldn't have to. I should be able to use an iOS device and run the software and apps on it I want. There is no other acceptable position.
Apple cannot control the customer experience if multiple payment systems are involved. Have you looked around stores that carry other peoples products like Amazon and Walmart? Guess what you have to pay them directly and there is no way to get around this. Sure you can use your MC, Visa, or AMEX, but it is run through the hosting store because they are ultimately responsible for the transaction.If they cared, they would allow developers to add other payment options BESIDES apple payment (not replacing it). Let the customer choose if they want the convenience and safety or the trouble to go through entering the payment info all the time individually but I am guessing Apple knows damn well that people would choose the last option if companies would make their own cheaper. Same reason Apple does not allow Apps to have any traces or links to even inform about other types of payment (via website etc.). "Apple is just protecting their business model" yet they act like they do it all in the name of the customer. Hypocrisy at its finest.
If they cared, they would allow developers to add other payment options BESIDES apple payment (not replacing it). Let the customer choose if they want the convenience and safety or the trouble to go through entering the payment info all the time individually but I am guessing Apple knows damn well that people would choose the last option if companies would make their own cheaper. Same reason Apple does not allow Apps to have any traces or links to even inform about other types of payment (via website etc.). "Apple is just protecting their business model" yet they act like they do it all in the name of the customer. Hypocrisy at its finest.