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Apple screws songwriters (again)
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I humbly apologize for disturbing your linguistic feelings. English is not my first language, but I'm trying hard.
99 cents is an important psychological point. Why do you think MacBooks cost 1099 dollars and not 1100 dollars and iPods cost 199 and 149? The labels are the ones who screw over their artists. We know for sure that they wouldn't budge on the 2/3 of the 99 cents they receive. Frankly, as a musician, I don't even really care. Independent artists get the whole thing, and no one should be stupid enough in this day and age to sign with a label. And since this isn't even going to the artists, but the songwriters... all I can say is they can suck it. Faceless songwriters are the people responsible for Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne and Christ Daughtry. They can go die in a gutter for all I care.
Also, no worries pianojoe. No one would make fun of you if they knew you were foreign, but a lot of Americans are very dumb and can't use English properly, and some of us (myself included sometimes) like to make fun of them.
PS- don't turn this into a discussion about how "crappy music is these days". Most of you stopped listening to new music in the 70s and are afraid of new music or the 80s and just plain have bad taste in music. Rarely was good music ever popular. You have to LOOK for good music.
Also, no worries pianojoe. No one would make fun of you if they knew you were foreign, but a lot of Americans are very dumb and can't use English properly, and some of us (myself included sometimes) like to make fun of them.
PS- don't turn this into a discussion about how "crappy music is these days". Most of you stopped listening to new music in the 70s and are afraid of new music or the 80s and just plain have bad taste in music. Rarely was good music ever popular. You have to LOOK for good music.
Yeah and $0.091 per song is just a little less than 10% with the current price of $0.99 per song that is almost universal on the internet.
Oh boo hoo, record companies are the ones that gets the large share in the end. The reason that CD sales are falling and 9/10 don't even break even is largely their own fault. If they weren't so bullheaded and actually embraced changes for once, then maybe people would actually buy music legally again. Not so long ago, they often made people buy music twice - once for the "single", and then once when the whole album is released. Maybe if they weren't so greedy back then, less people would've went the piracy route.
And I doubt that I wouldn't know about most of my favourite music without them, especially in this day and age.
Some of us know this all too well.
I agree. Independent is a tougher, but better way to go for an artist.
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Nope, I listen to new stuff all the time, and most of it is crap. Era has nothing to do with it. The majority of published music is crap, but the percentage is increasing year after year, because of the ease of publishing and pushing rather than providing a critical ear and only releasing something that contains the least bit of talent or originality. Why is "one-hit wonder" part of our lexicon if it wasn't? Historically, most artists haven't even risen to that level.
And my taste is impeccable.
Nope, I listen to new stuff all the time, and most of it is crap. Era has nothing to do with it. The majority of published music is crap, but the percentage is increasing year after year, because of the ease of publishing and pushing rather than providing a critical ear and only releasing something that contains the least bit of talent or originality. Why is "one-hit wonder" part of our lexicon if it wasn't? Historically, most artists haven't even risen to that level.
And my taste is impeccable.
Well, that's kind of what I was saying. Era has nothing to do with it. I mostly agree with your second point.
But I still stand firm that if you liked radio rock from the 80's, most of it was as bad as or even worse than it is these days.
Would the alternative be better? What if Itunes is no more, then songwriters would loose the 6 cents per song?
Yes record companies make money, but they also take risks. Who pays for all the ad campaigns, promotions, distribution, etc etc. What if the record bombs and they invested millions? Doesn't risk have a reward?
As a songwriter, where's your risk? If the song does well, you are better off, but if it doesn't do you "loose" money? It is after all your product. If I make a widget that I think it's good. I get this company to manufacture it and market it, I get 6 cents for every widget they sell. If the widget bombs, where's the risk? Yes my product bombed, but maybe it's because it wasn't all that good? The Company meanwhile lost all kinds of money with all the product that didn't sell and the wasted advertising dollar$ that didn't get results.
If the songwriters are unhappy with the current solution, then why don't they do the entire process themselves, and then they can have all the money? Why are businesses always to blame? I for one, love itunes and I think 99c for a song is the right price. My other alternative is to pay $10 for a CD where I only like 1 or 2 songs. My music collection is full of CD's where I only like 1 or 2 songs, how is that fair to the ultimate consumer?
Yes record companies make money, but they also take risks. Who pays for all the ad campaigns, promotions, distribution, etc etc. What if the record bombs and they invested millions? Doesn't risk have a reward?
As a songwriter, where's your risk? If the song does well, you are better off, but if it doesn't do you "loose" money? It is after all your product. If I make a widget that I think it's good. I get this company to manufacture it and market it, I get 6 cents for every widget they sell. If the widget bombs, where's the risk? Yes my product bombed, but maybe it's because it wasn't all that good? The Company meanwhile lost all kinds of money with all the product that didn't sell and the wasted advertising dollar$ that didn't get results.
If the songwriters are unhappy with the current solution, then why don't they do the entire process themselves, and then they can have all the money? Why are businesses always to blame? I for one, love itunes and I think 99c for a song is the right price. My other alternative is to pay $10 for a CD where I only like 1 or 2 songs. My music collection is full of CD's where I only like 1 or 2 songs, how is that fair to the ultimate consumer?
Agreed, or I would go to more colorful sources.
The issue is that the labels are just way to f*cking greedy. Apple has made them millions, and they just want more and more and more. IF they had their way, every song on iTunes would be "Album Only". Apple is in no way shape or form screwing songwriters over, it is the labels that are screwing them, the consumer, and Apple over.
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