Apple Security Update 2014-002 and Nvidia Web Driver

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  1. flowrider macrumors 601

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    Apple Security Update 2014-002 just issued this morning breaks the Web Driver 331.01.01f02 and upon restart the Apple Default Driver is being used. Cuda 6.0.37 still working.

    Lou
     
  2. Redneck1089 macrumors 65816

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    Does anyone know if the regular Apple driver will give the GTX 780 Ti any trouble?
     
  3. flowrider thread starter macrumors 601

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    I'm using Apple's Driver now with a GTX 780, GK110A, without issue.

    Lou
     
  4. ScottishCaptain macrumors 6502a

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    Can you give us some more information then that? What OS are you using? Have you tried resetting the GPU control panel back to the web driver?

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  5. flowrider thread starter macrumors 601

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    Web Driver 331.01.01f02 only works with 10.9.2, so yes that's the OS I'm using.

    Control Panel won't allow resetting. See Screen Shot below.

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  6. ybz90 macrumors 6502a

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    Same thing happened with my GTX 680. If you read the release notes for Apple's security update, it's not unsurprisingly this driver might be disabled.
     
  7. flowrider thread starter macrumors 601

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    ^^^^I read the Release Notes, saw no Mention of Nvidia Driver. I did. however, see a reference to an Intel Graphics Driver.

    I believe the Nvidia Web Driver checks the OS build not version. The 331 driver should actually still work since I don't think the security update changed anything that'd break web driver, but the way Nvidia checks the OS breaks the current Web Driver. A bit of software rewriting should fix the issue.

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  8. ScottishCaptain macrumors 6502a

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    Ah, OK, thanks, I was trying to figure out if this affected 10.8.x or not.

    Eh?

    You have to click the lock & enter in your admin password to make changes, which is precisely what that says. It won't let you change anything until you do.

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  9. flowrider, Apr 22, 2014
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    ^^^^Did you not see

    The
    Message?

    Unlocking the CP won't allow me to choose the Web Driver because it doesn't meet the criteria that Nvidia wrote into the code.

    And you change the Drivers with the Nvidia Driver Manager located in the Menu Bar. The Choices are Grayed out Because the Web Driver is not available.

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  10. Redneck1089 macrumors 65816

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    I think the Ti versions are a bit more sensitive to the drivers, aren't they?
     
  11. flowrider thread starter macrumors 601

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    ^^^^I think all GTX 780s with the GK110B chip are more sensitive to drivers than the GK110A Chip. My GTX 780 with the GK110A is running fine with the Apple Drivers. In fact, my Valley score is just a bit faster with the Apple Drivers than with the Nvidia Web Drivers. 44.3FPS vs 43.8FPS. Go Figure:confused:

    Lou
     
  12. Mac Moof macrumors newbie

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    Same here.

    I rebooted my Mac Pro '09 with a Mac Edition GTX 680 and the drivers has been switched back to the Mac OS X version as the "nVidia driver is not supported on the OS any more".

    Odd but i will leave it this way until i hear any different from nVidia
     
  13. TheHerdForever macrumors member

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    Agreed Flow, but my mighty Titan GTX (GK110A) is affected too. No nVidia driver action for me too.

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    ^^^^I'm not really sure, I believe the Web Driver reads the OS version. Security Update 2014-002 changes this to 13C1021. But, hopefully Nvidia wrote the revised driver so it will install prior to the installation of the security update. But, I'd try to do the Driver Update first IIWU.

    Lou
     
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  19. Schismz macrumors regular

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    It's actually pretty painless, if you're running the card in NVIDIA Web Driver mode, when an new update occurs to the system, it gets automatically downgraded back to OS/X drivers, until NVIDA certifies their drivers for the current release (which in this case took about 36 hours).

    If you install the preference panes, it's all automagic and Just Works (in my experience, your milage may vary).
    [​IMG]
     
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    Right, the NVIDIA web driver is locked to a specific build of the OS, because it's closely tied with the Apple frameworks that came with the OS. NVIDIA doesn't know if the new 13C1021 frameworks are binary compatible with the 13C64 ones, so they err on the side of safety and lock the driver to that specific OS build. You can see which version the driver is locked to by looking at /System/Library/Extensions/NVDAStartup.kext/Contents/Info.plist, for example here's what I have with the 331.01.01f04 driver:

    <key>NVDARequiredOS</key>
    <string>13C1021</string>
    <key>NVDAType</key>
    <string>Web</string>

    I tend to agree that it's better to have the web driver turn itself off for a day or two until a new version can be shipped, instead of running into all kinds of problems because the old driver is trying to work with potentially newer and incompatible frameworks.
     
  22. m4v3r1ck, Apr 27, 2014
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    m4v3r1ck macrumors 68020

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    UPDATE: Solved it!

    My GTX 670 system OS X 10.9.2 (13C64) - before installing the SU 2014-002 - was totally borked updating to CUDA 6.0.37. Nvidia prefs pane crashed, 1/3 monitors not alive anymore. Had to restore a CCC clone.

    What is the best update sequence here? First things first, nut which :confused:

    Thanks & Cheers
     

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