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You can thank Criag Federighi for this as he took over as Senior Vice President of Software Engineering after Bertrand Serlet left in 2011. Serlet moved to Apple with Jobs from NeXT and was Senior VP in S.E., and was mainly responsible for Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard. Criag Federighi is a hack, responsible for allowing Forstall to incorporate iOS **** into OS X while dropping the ball on improved graphics drivers and OpenGL Core support, a revised HFS+ Finder system, lack of full multiple display support, "Mission Control", horrible memory management, and pushing for an annual release cycle. The odds are, it won't change.

I couldn't agree with you more. Criag Federighi seriously needs to get his act together and take a leadership role that once represented such great and flawless Mac software. My blood has been boiling since the release of Lion and now Mountain Lion. There is so much focus on completely useless features and iOSification. I mean Apple has lost its touch from truly making the best desktop operating system. The OS X Kernel HASN'T BEEN UPDATED MUCH SINCE SNOW LEOPARD! Yes, SL, Lion, and ML all pretty much have the same Kernel, which explains the crazy memory usage and random Kernel Panics.

I don't know if Apple is being lazy or just greedy because Macs now are just a small part of their overall business.
 
It is the opposite, 3D under 10.7 is much more faster. This is the reason most modern games require 10.7 at least.
http://ikir.ikirsector.it/newsitem.php?id=38

Sorry, I'm not into games, I'm into GPU distributed computing... As long as Lion and Mountain Lion eats up graphics memory and crashes BOINC apps, graphics sucks...

And please don't send me private messages with useless benchmarks... I don't read Italian or whatever romance languages you're associated with...

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I don't know if Apple is being lazy or just greedy because Macs now are just a small part of their overall business.

It's both...!
 
craig federighi is the worst thing happened to apple

I couldn't agree with you more. Criag Federighi seriously needs to get his act together and take a leadership role that once represented such great and flawless Mac software. My blood has been boiling since the release of Lion and now Mountain Lion. There is so much focus on completely useless features and iOSification. I mean Apple has lost its touch from truly making the best desktop operating system. The OS X Kernel HASN'T BEEN UPDATED MUCH SINCE SNOW LEOPARD! Yes, SL, Lion, and ML all pretty much have the same Kernel, which explains the crazy memory usage and random Kernel Panics.

I don't know if Apple is being lazy or just greedy because Macs now are just a small part of their overall business.

That's a reason why I called him Ferengi... it is synonymous with greed, which Apple has become lately...
 
I wouldn't be so quick to criticise iosification.

For example airplay mirroring came first on the ipad2

Then they introduced it in mountain lion for macs with sandybridge and ivybridge processors.

This is very good stuff.

Contrast that with what microsoft have done with windows 8 to make your computer look like a phone ..............YUCK!!!!
 
Battery life

Hi,

Surprised to see so many posts about shutdown time. Should be rare for most users. For me, less than once a month.

To me (mid 2009 MBP) and many others, the real problem is battery life. ML cut battery life in half. I can no longer watch an iTunes rental movie, without plugging in. I fear that ML has done permanent damage, which would explain why 10.8.2 did not fix it.

Daniel
 
Ehm Lion is full of new features! Even invisible ones like much more faster 3D graphics! If you say from 10.7 you get only social features you are trolling! I use airdrop, iCloud, AirPlay, iMessage, everyday! Safari is faster, mail is awesome! I use Game Center too

Firstly, its against forum rules to accuse people of trolling (not to mention highly pathetic). Secondly I'm not trolling. I'm stating fact.

Its a case of it only being a feature for the select few people that use it. Nothing 'big' has come to OS X in a long time now short of welcomed performance improvements.

Lets actually look at it objectively:

Game center - It has next to no real use if you dont do multiplayer gaming heavily on your mac. Gaming on the mac is already fairly niche (although granted it is growing). Even then, who the hell needs it? Seriously it's such a minuscule usage market. The biggest annoyance is that some tit decided to disable the ability to delete it.

Mail - It's a good app. But its only a good app if you need it. With the likes of very well made webmail clients, it's not something I'd personally ever want to use. Gmail and Outlook webmail clients do a pretty amazing job, and are updated a hell of a lot more often than Mail.app is.

AirDrop - A useful little feature, doesnt work for me however. Never has done, and never really tried to fix it. Certainly not worthy of being listed as a major OS feature.

iCloud - I had high hopes for it. But a measly 5GB free limit, and piss poor performance outside the US made it very much an annoyance more than a feature. Dropbox and Google Drive do a way better job of file syncing. The only plus of iCloud is storing notes in it, and using Photo Stream...assuming you dont hit your limit within the first 15 minutes of using the darn thing! At the end of the day, it's just MobileMe rebranded after the monumental mess they made of it.

Safari - Cant really include that. It's not a core part of the OS. It's a downloadable app.

Drill into the features of mountain lion. Look at Apple's page on it. The feature list really is quite pathetic.

Notification Center - it does an 'ok' job but Growl is still way more convenient than having to keep opening up some silly hidden sidebar that's been bodged into the top corner of the screen. Most apps still use growl however, and will do for the foreseeable future. Especially given that Apple are locking down the OS X features to only work with MAS apps.

Reminders - Should be an optional app in the MAS, not built into the system.
Notes - The same as reminders.

iMessage - Nice. But never works for me on any of my machines. Spends ages spinning a wheel only to tell me it couldnt connect to the Apple servers. Littlesnitch doesnt even show it trying.
Facetime - Same situation as iMessage
(A note about both iMessage and Facetime - dont forget that these replaced iChat. So only half a feature there really)

Power Nap - Not a notable feature
Dictation - Only a feature if you do a lot of writing
Sharing - Only a feature if you want to annoy people on Facebook and Twitter by posting junk all the time.
Facebook/Twitter Integration - I'd rather not have Facebook baked into the OS - there's no need for that - EVER.

Airplay - possibly the best feature of Mountain Lion. This one actually has its uses!

GateKeeper - No. Just No. If you think this is a good idea, you either dont understand anything about tech, or are very naive.

Then they list "Over 200 new features". Most of which are individual tiny things like reordering table headers using voice over - thats not worthy of being called a feature. I'm not exaggerating here either - thats actually listed as one of the 200 features: http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html

Am I being negative? You bet your ass I am. However out of everything I've listed as a "Feature" of Mountain Lion. I can honestly say that I've only ever found Airplay to be helpful. Even then I've only used it once in a blue moon.

Its not as if I'm a light user either. I'm on my mac from 8:30AM to about 6:00PM Mon-Fri working.

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Quicktime 7 has a 32-bit API that is ancient. 64-bit is the future but taking Quicktime 7 to that future isn't a straightforward process and will take time. And if you owned Quicktime 7 Pro, it still runs just fine on Mountain Lion. Its not like Apple yanked it or 'dumbed it down' for fun-sies. Also social/cloud integration isn't crap, its where we are in contemporary technology.

All of that means nothing.

I'm talking about a core OS feature here. To the end user, all they see is that Apple took the perfectly functional Quicktime they had on their previous OS X release, and 'dumbed it down' by removing a bunch of features. Then to add insult to injury, replaced said features with a pathetic social network integration where you can share videos to facebook/twitter.
 
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Agreed, As a long time Mac user, Apple needs to get their **** together with OSX. Stop the ****ing yearly releases, and stop relying on gimmicky features to market your OS. Work on what actually matters to the end users. I mean common, OSX has only been getting WORSE since Lion, or at best been standing still. Meanwhile, Windows and Linux are constantly getting better and better.
 
Am I the only one who just hate the Airplay feature? I mean, I like the concept, but it actually doesn't work. A 720p mkv struggles. 1080p? Nor even in my dreams. And it's not lack of hardware since my rmbp is close to my Airport Extreme and connection between both of them is at 450mbps. Can't get rid of the HDMI cable yet. Hope they fix it anytime soon.
 
IMO Game Center is the most useless addition. It's also probably the ugliest app I've seen - when you think of games (and specifically video games here), do you really think of a casino table first? Gambling is even illegal in many countries. I don't like the skeumorphism (sp?) or whatever is used here.

But I guess casual users might find the achievements nice, since they probably don't use/know about Steam.
 
Am I the only one who just hate the Airplay feature? I mean, I like the concept, but it actually doesn't work. A 720p mkv struggles. 1080p? Nor even in my dreams. And it's not lack of hardware since my rmbp is close to my Airport Extreme and connection between both of them is at 450mbps. Can't get rid of the HDMI cable yet. Hope they fix it anytime soon.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that I hate the feature. I think it's great that Apple has tried to implement this, but I have the same experiences as you about it falling short.

I went around this by using Ivi to add MKVs to my iTunes media library. Then using Home Sharing to let Apple TV access the library. This way I can view the stuff using the Apple TV UI, which is nice. Or by using the iPhone/iPad Remote applications for the times that the small remote control is missing.

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IMO Game Center is the most useless addition. It's also probably the ugliest app I've seen - when you think of games (and specifically video games here), do you really think of a casino table first? Gambling is even illegal in many countries. I don't like the skeumorphism (sp?) or whatever is used here.

But I guess casual users might find the achievements nice, since they probably don't use/know about Steam.
Very much agreed. Apple should concentrate on getting the mainstream gaming performance on-par with Windows, after this they can do all the game-centers they want. At the moment I am rebooting to Windows for my gaming because I find the performance much MUCH better (i5 3570k, GTX670, 8Gb) for instance with Civ5.
 
I agree with the slow shutdown times. I had a 2007 iMac with Mountain Lion. I put Snow Leopard back on it to sell it.

Mountain Lion: 30-35 seconds to shutdown
Snow Leopard: 5 seconds to shutdown

Even with my newer 2011 iMac, shutdown times are around 30 seconds. It doesn't bother me. I just find it strange. :D

My MBP Late 2011 shuts down in about 5 seconds. Might have something to do with the software you've installed - maybe a service that refuses to go quickly...
 
Am I the only one who just hate the Airplay feature? I mean, I like the concept, but it actually doesn't work. A 720p mkv struggles. 1080p? Nor even in my dreams. And it's not lack of hardware since my rmbp is close to my Airport Extreme and connection between both of them is at 450mbps. Can't get rid of the HDMI cable yet. Hope they fix it anytime soon.

It'd be great if it worked correctly.

If I hook my rMBP up to my wired LAN instead of the wireless one it works much better. Wirelessly its piss poor however.

I've found VLC and a £25 RaspberryPi to be much more reliable.

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Very much agreed. Apple should concentrate on getting the mainstream gaming performance on-par with Windows, after this they can do all the game-centers they want. At the moment I am rebooting to Windows for my gaming because I find the performance much MUCH better (i5 3570k, GTX670, 8Gb) for instance with Civ5.

Ditto!

What I find laughable is that there is an image on the rMBP promo page of Apple.com showing Civ5 running on it. Having tried it on my maxed out rMBP 15" I can honestly say its unplayable even on low settings. You get half way through the game and each 'turn' can take upwards of a minute!

Switch to bootcamp and it works fine!
 
Well see now. Macs aren't used to being shut down or rebooted. That's a Windows thing.

:D

I guess it doesn't bother me too much for two reasons.

1. I've resorted to barely ever shutting it down and just sleeping it.
2. The crap-tastic PC's I work with every day at my job take 2-3 minutes to shut down and 5-10 minutes to start up. I guess it's pretty awesome by comparison! LOL!

But a newer OS should not take us backward toward Windows. When you use Windows as the comparison barometer for OS X instead of earlier versions of OS X you have a problem. As "The World's Most Advanced Desktop Operating System" (Apple's words) OS X should be getting better with every iteration, and improving on its previous advances, not trying to stay ahead of admittedly crappy Windows performance. I expect more from Apple.
 
So,

Anyone tried this yet on a rMBP? I dont want to pay $99 for a developer account to try it myself.
 
Still having Wifi dropout issues with my iMac.

Having to use a powerline adapter when I shouldn't have to.

Would like to see a fix.

My Macbook Air on the other hand works flawlessly and they're both configured exactly the same. (clean 10.8 install).
 
Firstly, its against forum rules to accuse people of trolling (not to mention highly pathetic). Secondly I'm not trolling. I'm stating fact.

Its a case of it only being a feature for the select few people that use it. Nothing 'big' has come to OS X in a long time now short of welcomed performance improvements.

Lets actually look at it objectively:

Game center - It has next to no real use if you dont do multiplayer gaming heavily on your mac. Gaming on the mac is already fairly niche (although granted it is growing). Even then, who the hell needs it? Seriously it's such a minuscule usage market. The biggest annoyance is that some tit decided to disable the ability to delete it.

Mail - It's a good app. But its only a good app if you need it. With the likes of very well made webmail clients, it's not something I'd personally ever want to use. Gmail and Outlook webmail clients do a pretty amazing job, and are updated a hell of a lot more often than Mail.app is.

AirDrop - A useful little feature, doesnt work for me however. Never has done, and never really tried to fix it. Certainly not worthy of being listed as a major OS feature.

iCloud - I had high hopes for it. But a measly 5GB free limit, and piss poor performance outside the US made it very much an annoyance more than a feature. Dropbox and Google Drive do a way better job of file syncing. The only plus of iCloud is storing notes in it, and using Photo Stream...assuming you dont hit your limit within the first 15 minutes of using the darn thing! At the end of the day, it's just MobileMe rebranded after the monumental mess they made of it.

Safari - Cant really include that. It's not a core part of the OS. It's a downloadable app.

Drill into the features of mountain lion. Look at Apple's page on it. The feature list really is quite pathetic.

Notification Center - it does an 'ok' job but Growl is still way more convenient than having to keep opening up some silly hidden sidebar that's been bodged into the top corner of the screen. Most apps still use growl however, and will do for the foreseeable future. Especially given that Apple are locking down the OS X features to only work with MAS apps.

Reminders - Should be an optional app in the MAS, not built into the system.
Notes - The same as reminders.

iMessage - Nice. But never works for me on any of my machines. Spends ages spinning a wheel only to tell me it couldnt connect to the Apple servers. Littlesnitch doesnt even show it trying.
Facetime - Same situation as iMessage
(A note about both iMessage and Facetime - dont forget that these replaced iChat. So only half a feature there really)

Power Nap - Not a notable feature
Dictation - Only a feature if you do a lot of writing
Sharing - Only a feature if you want to annoy people on Facebook and Twitter by posting junk all the time.
Facebook/Twitter Integration - I'd rather not have Facebook baked into the OS - there's no need for that - EVER.

Airplay - possibly the best feature of Mountain Lion. This one actually has its uses!

GateKeeper - No. Just No. If you think this is a good idea, you either dont understand anything about tech, or are very naive.

Then they list "Over 200 new features". Most of which are individual tiny things like reordering table headers using voice over - thats not worthy of being called a feature. I'm not exaggerating here either - thats actually listed as one of the 200 features: http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html

Am I being negative? You bet your ass I am. However out of everything I've listed as a "Feature" of Mountain Lion. I can honestly say that I've only ever found Airplay to be helpful. Even then I've only used it once in a blue moon.

Its not as if I'm a light user either. I'm on my mac from 8:30AM to about 6:00PM Mon-Fri working.

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All of that means nothing.

I'm talking about a core OS feature here. To the end user, all they see is that Apple took the perfectly functional Quicktime they had on their previous OS X release, and 'dumbed it down' by removing a bunch of features. Then to add insult to injury, replaced said features with a pathetic social network integration where you can share videos to facebook/twitter.


Not going to call you a troll, but most of your points are invalid because they're very subjective. While the features you lambaste are not ones that you like/need/find useful, many other users, including myself do find them useful additions to the OS.

And your assertion that the Mail app has anything to learn from Gmail's web app is absolutely ridiculous. Gmail webmail is perhaps the nastiest, ugliest, most unintuitive piece of garbage ever created. And Outlook webmail?!? I stopped using anything MS has thrown out in the way of consumer-based mail services a long time ago.
 
Not going to call you a troll, but most of your points are invalid because they're very subjective. While the features you lambaste are not ones that you like/need/find useful, many other users, including myself do find them useful additions to the OS.

And your assertion that the Mail app has anything to learn from Gmail's web app is absolutely ridiculous. Gmail webmail is perhaps the nastiest, ugliest, most unintuitive piece of garbage ever created. And Outlook webmail?!? I stopped using anything MS has thrown out in the way of consumer-based mail services a long time ago.

You've just contradicted yourself there.

You called my opinion invalid. I'm calling yours invalid.

425 million people use the Gmail webmail client. You dont hear people bitching and moaning about it.

As for the comment about Microsoft that shows you're very narrow-minded about this whole thing. Have you even looked at just screenshots of Outlook Webmail?

(For the record, I'm not a Microsoft fan, and avoid using their stuff wherever possible, however I like to keep an open mind, and have actually tested outlook webmail instead of spieling off a load of rubbish declaring it crap just because Microsoft made it)
 
All of that means nothing.

I'm talking about a core OS feature here. To the end user, all they see is that Apple took the perfectly functional Quicktime they had on their previous OS X release, and 'dumbed it down' by removing a bunch of features. Then to add insult to injury, replaced said features with a pathetic social network integration where you can share videos to facebook/twitter.

Yet you can still use QT 7 on Lion or ML. Your point is moot since QTX does not replace QT 7 yet. It's simply the default install. I use QT7 to view all my iTunes purchases because QTX doesn't have brightness controls.

When you compare the backend of the OS, the part which matters for developers, both Lion and ML have been bigger releases compared to Snow Leopard judged by the amount of new API's for better apps.

The only actual complaint coming from the end user about the Lion/ML duo can be about stuff that actually have been removed and were useful, such as the old Expose which I miss.

Stuff which you don't have to use (gamecenter) are irrelevant. Nobody has been using every single app inside the Mac OS X at any time anyway, so for everyone, some apps have been "useless" from the start. So can we please let this stupid argument go already? It's been 12 years...

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Slow shutdown times are about choosing "reopen windows while logging back in". My rMBP shutdowns in 2.5 seconds if I don't choose it and in 20 seconds if I choose it. The amount of open apps will certainly have an effect but those numbers are with the same apps open in both times. The computer is saving state before shutting down, so obviously the latter will take a much longer time.
 
Lack of features in QTX IS a major problem. Just look at Logic, most of the QT functionality is disabled when you run Logic in 64 bit. And that app has been 64 bit for *three years*, yet still none of those features have returned.

Enough excuses. Apple needs to update QTX so it has all the functionality QT7 did but with 64 bit support. Or if they're planning to dump QT, release whatever is planned to replace it already.
 
I couldn't agree with you more. Criag Federighi seriously needs to get his act together and take a leadership role that once represented such great and flawless Mac software. My blood has been boiling since the release of Lion and now Mountain Lion. There is so much focus on completely useless features and iOSification. I mean Apple has lost its touch from truly making the best desktop operating system. The OS X Kernel HASN'T BEEN UPDATED MUCH SINCE SNOW LEOPARD! Yes, SL, Lion, and ML all pretty much have the same Kernel, which explains the crazy memory usage and random Kernel Panics.

I don't know if Apple is being lazy or just greedy because Macs now are just a small part of their overall business.

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